Charney v. Sullivan & Cromwell: Another Poll for Your Consideration
If you haven't already done so, you can still vote in our poll asking you whether you support Aaron Charney or Sullivan & Cromwell in Charney v. S&C. Click here to vote in that poll (or to view the results if you've already voted).
After we posted Charney v. Sullivan & Cromwell: The $15 Million Question, a number of you started to debate in the comments:
How much is Aaron Charney's lawsuit really worth?
Here are some of your thoughts:
"5-10 mil seems like a fair sum to ask for in this matter.""I'd let partners say much more degrading things to me for $5M. I'd also allow myself to be left out of the summer mentoring program. ABP's sandwiches are not bad at all. Esp. that chicken mozzarella one."
"Does anyone have statistics on the average employment discrimination award in NYC? Include not just the cases that won millions, but also the cases we never hear about."
"$15 million? Sheesh. I'd take it up the butt for $15 million, much less tolerate a few comments about bending over."
We realize that what we're about to do is completely unscientific and unreliable. We don't know all the facts of the case. Nor do we have any data concerning the average size of employment discrimination awards in New York City (as one of you expressed an interest in seeing). So we don't have any solid basis for comparisons.
But please, humor us; we're curious. For what it's worth -- and we admit it may not be worth much -- please take our latest poll:
Earlier: Prior ATL coverage of Charney v. Sullivan & Cromwell













Comments
Since you and Aaron are now BFF could you perhaps ask him the most important question -- are those eyebrows real or does he get them done?
Posted by: eyebrows | January 22, 2007 03:51 PM
I voted for $100K-$250K. Give him a year's salary as compensatory damages - a year should be enough time to get over the horrors of Krautheimer, Korry, et al. - but no punitives (because S&C's conduct wasn't THAT egregious, at least by Biglaw standards).
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 04:01 PM
How cmoe everyone forgets that part about fake reviews and going to an overseas office? Is that standard for bog firms too? Seriously?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 04:11 PM
That's a question of fact. What if they were deserved reviews and the offer to go overseas was their way of giving an employee who wasn't working out a fresh start?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 04:25 PM
no shanetta updates today?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 04:32 PM
Those of you who think Charney deserves $5 million or more: Based on what???
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 05:27 PM
anyone who thinks settlement would be in excess of $500K is out of their minds. I think two-years' compensation would be on the very generous side.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 05:30 PM
"What if they were deserved reviews . . ."
Geeze! How could the review of Charney by Kotran be "well deserved" if the real review was replaced? It is my understanding that Kotran even protested and requested that the "fake" review be removed and his original review reinstated. Apparently, his original review was a good review of Charney. However, the firm "leaders" replaced this review with a fabricated review which indicated Kotran was displeased. That is why Kotran went to the extent of submitting another review refuting the "fabricated" review.
If this is true, then I think it is a clear case of retaliation. Come on people, despite everything else, the removal of a good review and "fabricating" a bad review should be sufficient to show the evil that is BIGLAW when it comes to how they treat ANYONE that dares to challenge a partner.
Posted by: Stop with the Idiots | January 22, 2007 05:42 PM
I am a former Biglaw associate who was asked to move to my firm's Hong Kong office because I am Chinese and speak the language. Prior to being asked, I had never expressed any interest in returning to Asia. Working at a foreign office for 4 years probably adversely affected my chances for partnership, and I was indeed passed over after I returned to New York.
Does this mean I was "retaliated against" for being Asian? Do I have a case for $5M? Give me a break on the foreign office bullshit.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 05:44 PM
Heh? Where is your logic? How is that analogous? Whatever.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 07:52 PM
Everyone is a lawyer, but no one carefully read the ASSUME ALL THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE part.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2007 09:46 PM
I still don't see how Charney's case is worth $5 million. Even with punitives, I don't see the conduct as "outrageous" enough. If Krautheimer actually forced Charney to bend over, then had his way with him, that might be different.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 26, 2007 04:34 PM
As a former Biglaw victim, these white shoe firms are arrogant pieces of s*it and could give a rats ass about associates and/or their legal rights. I've seen and experienced unobstructed and condoned sexual harassment, racial discrimination, gender discrimination - the whole nine. And when you complain, you get FIRED. Period. I think Charney is a brave one, and wish I had the guts that he has. $5 million and up for sure - something has to change.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 31, 2007 12:33 AM
Are you kidding me? Definitely NOT worth $5 mil and up. If he's still working there, what are the damages? As for punitive damages, courts routinely throw out amounts that are grossly disproportionate to the amount of compensatory damages. Not that I don't feel bad for the guy but he's just not going to get that much.
Posted by: Anonymous | February 5, 2007 02:15 PM
Are you kidding me? Definitely NOT worth $5 mil and up. If he's still working there, what are the damages? As for punitive damages, courts routinely throw out amounts that are grossly disproportionate to the amount of compensatory damages. Not that I don't feel bad for the guy but he's just not going to get that much.
Posted by: Anonymous | February 5, 2007 02:16 PM