SUCK IT, TEXAS!

My fragile sense of self-worth remains intact.

yawn

yawn is right

F~(k me! 66????? I am never going to get a job.

It's official: NYU > Columbia

Penn as # 6? Are you kidding me? In what world is Penn 6 and Gtown 14?

Stick a fork in Columbia, it's done.

Wisco could jump 10 spots instantly if it would decide to admit solely based on LSAT scores like the 10 schools currently ahead of it.

"Stick a fork in Columbia, it's done."

Last I checked Columbia graduates had the highest likelihood of ALL law schools to end up in a Big Law Firm. It's far from done. Even Loyola 2L could get a job at Columbia.

I don't recall seeing ATL linking to any of those blogs previously.

the sad thing about my alma mater is that I can't tell if yls 3L is being ironic or not.

"Highest likelihood . . . to end up in a Big Law Firm"? What is that, Columbia's rejoinder to the Cooley Law School Rakings' "Library Seating Capacity"?

6:12: Probably not ironic. Aren't you all hopeless prestige whores?

I almost feel sorry for anyone who choose UVA over Duke just cause it was ranked 8th instead of 11.

How the heck did NYU beat Columbia??? Haven't we been losing all our best professors of late?

This is absolutely ridiculous. Are there really 60+ schools better than mine? I mean, really? Really?

Can't be. I see a potential fraud class action brewing....And I'll be the first named plaintff.

And USC once again fails to break the top 15. Guess when you're a rich kid babysitting service, 16th is the most you can hope for.

The only reason I like the rankings this year is the 12 place jump SeattleU has experienced from last year. If on the other hand, we moved down, I would not like the US NEWS Report. Regardless, I am still hard pressed to find someone that will hire me. Maybe if I label my resume with an asterik next to my law school where I indicate the rapid ascent in law school ranking I will get hired?

Mebbe iff ya lernad tah tipe er spel yer resumay wud lukk betr.

In what world is the California bar passage rate 62%? Look at line 3 for Stanford in the final column. How far back did USNWR go to get that aggregate statistic?

Damn the other L2Ls took all the good comments.

. . . Just like top school graduates took all the good jobs.

actually, the july '06 passage rate was only 52%. see, e.g., calbar.ca.gov/calbar/pdfs/admissions/Pass_StatsSummary.pdf

I still fail to see how Cardozo ranks higher than Brooklyn.

The USNWR ratings are bogus. Only prestige whores take them seriously.

Not sure where USNEWS got that stat for the CA passage rate. The % for all takers is lower and the % for first-timers is higher.

http://calbar.ca.gov/calbar/pdfs/admissions/Statistics/JULY2006STATS.pdf

Hey 5:46:

Georgetown is the epitome of an awful biglaw factory, with hundreds of students in massive classes where they learn next to nothing from "big name" professors. Penn, on the other hand, has been ranked in the top 8 for the last five years (always significantly higher than Georgetown). It has small class size, a fantastic faculty, and a great program. You couldn't be more wrong. There isn't even a close comparison.

Gallion OUT.

ps. I didn't go to either school. I just have some semblance of intelligence and some decent perception of reality.

NYU(even moreso than all the other schools):USNWR rankings::wheelie-bag gunner:prof. posner

i have met people who've been admitted to NYU and rejected from CLS, but none vice versa

Look, if you go to Penn, Georgetown, Columbia, or NYU, what's most important aren't the differences (class sizes, "biglaw factory" status, etc.), but rather what you have in common:

You'll be employed long before L2L even gets an interview.

Gallion knows nothing about GULC.

You learn a lot from amazing faculty, and most classes aren't very big after first year. Seminars with fewer than 10 students aren't uncommon. They have a lot of young faculty too, so it's only going to get better.

And why does being a "biglaw factory" make it a bad school? People go to law school to get jobs. This hurts GULC in the rankings because professors sneer at it and ding it in prestige because GUCL grads want to -- gasp --acutally practice law. That should be a plus.

Penn may be a better school, but Cornell? Cornell should not be higher than GULC. Neither should Northwestern. Duke is overrated... Chemerinsky isn't enough to justify that ranking.

These rankings are so stupid. Penn at #6? Texas at #18? And they just get worse the further down you go. At least this year they don't have Stanford ranked ahead of Harvard!

The reason NYU moved up is because finally our academic ratings and lawyer/judge reputation corresponds with today's reality and not our reputation thirty years ago.

Many people at NYU got into Columbia, but turned them down because NYU seemed like and is a more fun place to go to school. Hence, why numerous CLS professors have defected to NYU:-)

The only reasons I have heard people say they chose Columbia over NYU is because it is Ivy League or it is cheaper to live in Morningside Heights. Both crappy reasons.

The only thing I am disappointed in is that NYU's relative LSAT 25/75 percentile keeps dropping relative to other schools and I can only guess that is because NYU bends over backwards even more than other selective schools to get "special admits".

Anonymous 9:15 PM here. Before the ad hominem attacks start, I want to point out I don't go to Penn, Texas, Stanford or Harvard. And I sure as hell did not choose my school based on the US News rankings and I don't respect anyone who did.

there are plenty of people who get into both schools and choose NYU. but seriously, has anyone been admitted by CLS and *not* by NYU? i mean maybe someone has in which case, ok, i potentially stand corrected

anyways it is common knowledge that NYU has been poaching CLS profs by throwing tons of $ at them in desperate effort to game the rankings

recognizing this acheivement as material/legit would be like congratulating paris hilton for becoming famous. hungry douchery is unbecoming (there is enough of that shit in LS as it is).

Back on top of Stanford, where everyone has always considered us anyway. Seriously though, Stanford, an 86.6% Cal bar passage rate? I practice in CA -- the bar wasn't hard as long as you spent a week studying.

Eternal Flame, I don't know many people at Columbia. Most of them are the socially inept summer associates who keep to themselves. However, I know of at least one person who got into Columbia but would have preferred to go to NYU. I am sure there are many others. Dude, your school is no harder to get into than NYU. If our school was named Princeton Law School instead of being associated with NYU, few people if any who got into both schools would choose Columbia.

As for poaching with money, almost every law school does this. CLS tries to do it as well. They have just been less successful.

NYU is so good that Larry Kramer who was rejected to be the Dean at NYU, was named the Stanford Dean. The UCLA Dean, Michael Schiller, also lost out in the quest to be NYU Dean.

The runner-ups for CLS Dean rather than get offered Deanships at other prestigious law schools decided instead to come to NYU:-)

Seriously, this NYU vs. Columbia "debate" is pathetic as all hell. No one the f*ck cares. Note, of course, that the lengthy posts are from NYU students/alum. A sure sign of an inferiority complex.

What I didn't quite realize, though, was how strong the GULC inferiority complex was too. So lame.

9:46 is right. Only an idiot would choose UPenn over GULC. Beyond the superior education, the school term clerkship opportunities in DC far outstrip those open to UPenn students in Philly (or anywhere else for that matter). GULC is (and was) the best school in the land for my money.

P.S. I got into UPenn too.

people thinking that Georgetown is better than Penn are very amusing

eternal flame:
i got into columbia, but not nyu (waitlisted). ended up going to penn (even though i recognize columbia is "better" or more prestigious).

Georgetown is so overrated. It should be happy that it's #14. If that school were in any other city, it'd be lucky to make the top 25.

How the hell do Duke and Cornell do it? Does anyone actually go to those schools?

i got into YLS but not HLS (waitlisted) - so Harvard must be the better law school right?

to 5.34 pm - good work dark knight

t25 d00ds!

How is Iowa a top 25 school? Anyone?

You people realize that you look ridiculous arguing about these silly numbers, right?

When I got to my school, I was not suprised to find that they have the same law books as at Harvard. Imagine that! And my professors... they knew more about law than me, and they were even willing to share what they knew! And when I went to my summer job, the checks they gave me were the same size as the ones they gave the Harvard people. And that was great too because see, I paid about $50K less for my law degree than any of these schools you all are talking about would have cost.

Merit comes from you, not from these numbers. I at least am not impressed.

NYU has an outrageous amount of money. They own half the village. In 70s/80s NYC, that was only worth so much... today, however, their holdings are worth billions. They are throwing around money like you wouldnt believe, poaching professors from schools like CLS.

Echoing the Princeton comment (NYU law was in discussion in the late 70s to become Princeton Law)-- NYU is the only top law school without an association to a super-prestigious university. If the name brand was more white shoe, no one would doubt its inclusion at the top of the list.

4:35,

Um, NYU, the university, does NOT have an outrageous amount of money. At all. The university's shallow endowment is widely known. I believe the university is the third largest property holder in city (after the catholic church and Columbia), but that doesn't mean the university has tons of money to throw around.

GULC only has super large class sizes is if you count the amazingly high number of homeless people who wander over from Union Station every day on their way to one of the 5 homeless shelters occupying the same block.

NYU Law appears pretty well-heeled. What's their relationship to the university proper?

4:49:

Umm, NYU Law *does* have an outrageous amount of money. It has a separate endowment from the university.

is it possible to even learn the law if you're not on the east coast?

How about UNC Law dropping from #22 to #36 in a 5-year span?

Nice to see Ohio State moving right up the rankings, getting closer to where it belongs.

NYU beat Columbia because NYU's dick is 2" bigger than Columbia's.

RE: UNC dropping -- I relate it directly to UNC Law losing its Dean of Career Services. That place has been a mess since she left.

Somebody say something good about my school. We're better than Minnesota, right?

UVA took a hit this year too. Must be because of all the faculty defections...

On my regional front -

Alabama is tied with Georgia, who is tied with UNC? What in the world is going on?

Sad day for the Heels.
Great day for the Tide.

Go BUCKS.

Also, nice to see University of Cincinnati tank, tank tanking. They use to be thought of as relatively good.

12:09: What's up with the hate for Penn? "Only an idiot would choose UPenn over GULC."? An idiot? Is that true? Am I really an idiot? Wow. Thank you so much for letting me know.

Moron. You obviously know nothing about Penn, even if they mistakenly admitted you. I loved my time there. Great city. An outstanding student body full of really bright kids who enjoyed what they were doing. Supportive faculty. Fun clinics. Emphasis on community activism. Basically handed a job anywhere you'd want in the entire country, but especially in New York City (clerkship, law firm, government or otherwise).

Georgetown's a good school, don't get me wrong. But I really take issue with the notion that "only an idiot" would choose Penn over Georgetown. I know you're upset about you're ranking, but that shouldn't make you underestimate the greatness of Penn.

Penn is actually one of most balanced schools on the list -

- Ivy League
- Smart, witty student body
- Superb faculty
- Ridiculous post-graduation opportunities (anywhere in country & world)
- Awesome community service vibe
- and Philly is one heck of a city to spend 3 years in grad school

Anyone knocking on the Ben's school is just barking up the wrong tree...

Go home you disgruntled hoya...oh, wait, i meant to say Dog Tag #578 Hoya!

The NYU inferiority complex demonstrated in this thread is pretty impressive.