No way the "staties" should win!! Georgetown, call upon your 3000 strong student body!

Come on... Georgetown? How can you put it and "cool" in one sentence?

I don't understand how we made it this far.

UM should win over CUNY Village

Well, you guys do have the auto industry. And, uh, Grutter.

No tier 2 schools. Such a tierist.

If Michigan is so cool then how come its law students transfer to NYU? I doubt it happens the other way around :)

rosa brooks left uva for gtown. rosa brooks is awesome. therefore, awesome left uva for gtown.

this is so dumb. we're talking about LAW SCHOOL here folks. voting for and debating over "the coolest law school" is like debating which Ivy League football team is the best, betting on who will win next year's NIT, or NYU law students voting for "who's the hottest 3L." 95% of the people at these schools aren't going there to be cool. they're going there to get good jobs and be rich dorks.

How the hell are we losing to an extended suburb of Detroit?

Get a life, people.

People (very few) leave Michigan for NYU because of NYC not because NYU is cooler. Community and midwest values beats cold, snooty urban students.

People (very few) leave Michigan for NYU because of NYC not because NYU is cooler. Community and midwest values beats cold, snooty urban students.

Georgetown is the anti-cool.

This is the dumbest contest I've ever seen.

Lat - you get #1 vote for uncool.

All those schools suck. Standford is the best. End of story. Stop voting.

12:22 AM: Rosa Brooks is the single worst teacher I've ever had, and she is decidedly NOT cool. UVA is happy to be rid of her. If Gtown loves her, that's saying quite a lot.

UVA is broken up over a number of faculty defections, but Rosa Brooks isn't one of them. Her husband, however, is another matter...

this really is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen. seriously misguided. that being said, uva lost to tennessee in the second round and 'town made it all the way to the final four. too bad jeff green decided not to show up. uva has a sweet new arena though, so that should help with recruiting.

10:10, who is Rosa Brooks' husband?

peter brooks.

Just like the UVA Law School Softball Invitational, this is absolutely no contest...UVA always wins both co-rec and regular in that (and, in fact, normally ends up with a finals matchup involving 2 UVA teams), and it will win this.

UVA dominates - coolness and softball.

UVA is a bunch of conservative hicks. Vote Georgetown and Michigan.

Judging by my friends who attended Michigan and NYU, I would have to go with Michigan as the cooler school.

Actually, 12:32, we lost Co-Rec this year. In the semis. Won men's in extra innings, though.

Good thing for NYU that this contest has nothing to do with the strength of each school's athletic program.

I want see an NYU-UVA matchup in the final. And honestly, I'd have to say that UVA should beat us. You guys are definitely the coolest law school.

Michigan and G-town, on the other hand? Yawn.

Out of all law school grads, Michigan and NYU alums tend to be the most laid-back, well rounded and fun. Slight edge to Michigan based on sports and attractiveness. This match should have been the final.

Gotta take issue with the last post. Michigan can't claim any sports advantage over us as long as NYU has so many Buckeye fans.

Just wondering: why hasn't anyone mentioned the fact that everyone at Michigan is racist? That's not cool at all!

Maybe they should teach spelling at "Standford."

Hey Einstein, we aren't the ones who voted for Prop 2. There are very few (if any) racists at Michigan Law.

In fact, I moved out here from the Village, precisely because this school is so much cooler.

I live 1 block from NYU Law. The only less "cool" places in downtown NYC are the WTC craters and Shearman's corporate department.

Are you kidding me? How could any law school claim to trump NYU in coolness? It's preposterous. We are located in the epicenter of cool. We don’t wear argyle or pop our collars like those Harvard rejects in Morningside heights. We wear G-Star Raw and True Religion - and we got into Harvard, but had the good sense to take NYU’s scholarship money. As far as law students go, there can be no hipper student body than that found at the corner of 3rd and McDougal.

4:55 - the fact that you think you're "hip" is not cool. Fucking hipsters

GULC has katyal. GULC is best.

Agree with "NYU sucks". "NYU Law Rockstar" is the reason why NYU is not cool. People who think they are cool simply because they live in Manhattan are conceited and narrow-minded pricks. I worked with those type of NYU people last summer...NOT COOL. They think they are cool but they are the most arrogant, uptight bastards I've ever met in my life. You wouldn't meet those kind of people at Michigan.

isn't it a little silly that people are debating which school is cooler?? we all went to law school. in the bigger picture - none of us are all that cool. i think debating which school is cooler just shows that we are pretty retarded... and definitely not "cool"

Question: How far up your ass does your head have to be to miss the fact that NYU Law Rockstar is being not arrogant, but self-deprecating?

I love the village, though I realize it's not for everyone. As law students, us NYU'ers are naturally not cool, that's true. Same for Michiganders. But to say we're all uptight bastards - you got the wrong school.

You worked with NYU Law students last summer in Michigan? I don't recall any of my classmates working at car factories.

I think I have to agree that NYU Law Rockstar is a bastard. What s/he doesn't realize is that Michigan students get the best bargain of all by going to a school that costs less and most of Michigan graduates end up going to NYC after graduation anyway. So I'm guessing that "NYU prick" meant s/he worked with NYU pricks in NYC not Detroit.

Bagadonuts, are you another nola reject in Palo Alto?

UM Trollie, thank you for clearing that up. I was honestly under the impression that MI grads worked in car factories. I’m glad you’ve put your case cracking skills to work on that doozey of a problem.

Small point: Michigan students don't like Detroit. Michigan student want anything to do with Detroit. Michigan law grad don't work in the auto industry. Detroit is an embarrassment. UM and Ann Arbor thrive despite Detroit's regrettable proximity. Anything NYU has going for it is gained through the reflective glow of NYC generally. We actually had to work for it.

Small point: Michigan students don't like Detroit. Michigan student want anything to do with Detroit. Michigan law grad don't work in the auto industry. Detroit is an embarrassment. UM and Ann Arbor thrive despite Detroit's regrettable proximity. Anything NYU has going for it is gained through the reflective glow of NYC generally. We actually had to work for it.

NYU Law Rockstar, if you don't believe what you say then you need to stop making dumb comments you think are "cool" or "smart". Because people like you probably do think that people from Michigan only work in car factories.

UM has an awesome Big Ten atmosphere, solid nightlife, and a relatively fun and chill student body. NYU is in NYC but is loaded with pricks who think they are cool simply for being in NYC. And UM grads can easily have the NYC experience by taking a job there.

Two words: hash bash.

It's the people, not the area that make NYU Law great. We, unlike everyone else on this blog, have a sense of humor.

Solid night life at UM? Sure, if you like keg stands and circle jerks.

This is quite simple: I would bet a great amount on the fact that anyone who is writing on this board is not cool (including me). Given that we are the ones voting and getting others to vote, this competition should be invalidated. It's like getting the FIFA to vote for the Football Coach's poll. Besides, NYU potentially cooler than UM? now that's just unrealistic.

true religion jeans? g-star denim? really? that's your idea of cool? who are you, lucky magazine circa 2003? at least u of m people don't have pretensions that the sorority girl bullshit they wear (as girls, and not, as i think you are, as guys) is anything cooler than what it is -- that is to say, not cool at all.

also: nyu is so cool because we wear the awesomest frye boots! mk olsen wears them! we got them at intermix!!!!!!!

I must say I am disappointed by the fact that these postings represent lawyers who will actually be practicing in the community soon. Folks, it is so not cool to demean the auto industry. That is the livelihood of so many Americans. Yeah, they may not be as "learned" as we lawyers, but their integrity as hard working Americans should not be diminshed even jokingly. It is also not cool to stereotype the entire Michigan Law School as racist. This is a school that fought hard against the passing of Prop 2 and did an excellent job of making sure that every African American student understood clearly that their admission was based on their merits. And to my fellow Wolverine who claims that Michigan Law wants nothing to do with Detroit, have respect for the fact that Detroit is where some people call home! Have some respect. We are supposed to be leaders, both in public and behind the scenes. While I respect the fact that these postings are informal, forgive me for not finding them cool!

I think Very Saddened Wolverine is a plant from NYU to make us look lame.

Wow, amazing amount of vitriol being spilled by NYU and UM supporters....all for the honor of getting spanked by Thomas Jefferson and UVA in the finals....

Foxfields, Dandelion Parade, Softball, Feb Club, and 99 years of the Libel Show. Sorry, but no one is approaching UVA remotely in this contest.

Dandelion Parade? Who's the dean of your law school, the reanimated corpse of Jim Morrison?

Even if NYU wins, it will be pyrrich victory. We've managed to piss of Columbia, Michigan, and in general people who watch our superior Law Revue videos and dislike our boasting.

I guess even law students fall prey to John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory...

Hey, at least we can all agree that we're both cooler than Harvard, right?!

Maize & Blue - I'm willing to bet the only Michigan students who think of Detroit as a regrettable embarrassment are people who have never even spent time in the city. Detroit is a badass place to hang out, despite its overblown image as an urban deathtrap. And heck, most of Michigan is more like Detroit than Ann Arbor; it's all post-auto rustbelt, and it could give a shit about Ann Arbor's opinion.

That said... Michigan has some of the best architecture of any law school in the country (GIS "michigan law quad"), and that alone should win us points. Also, our awesome stone archways are propped up by infinite supplies of free pizza, which isn't too shabby either.

Bottom line:

Michigan Law is cool (relative to other law schools, of course... let's not kid ourselves) because of the people and laid-back academic atmosphere. In other words: the law school itself.

NYU Law is cool because it happens to be surrounded by a bunch of stuff much more cool than anything to be found in any law school. It's also connected to several cool undergrad programs, which really shouldn't count.

And yeah, 12:52, we're both cooler than Harvard. Not that that's a huge accomplishment, but still...

I'm pretty sure the infinite supply of pizza has taken about 5 years of my life expecstancy.

To "Very Saddened Wolverine" et al.:

I've lived in Michigan my entire life (not a rich suburb either). I graduated from UM undergrad and I will graduate from UM Law. I know Michigan, I know Detroit. I guarantee that almost no one at UM Law calls Detroit home. They say they are from Detroit, but their mailing address is Gross Point, Farmington Hills, etc. If Detroit is so great, why is the population dropping every year like rats fleeing a sinking ship. I don't knock any UAW workers, but they don't live inside the city limits of Detroit either.

NYU wins for 1 reason: alumna Judge Judy.

CFF @ 2:11 -- Judge Judy went to New York Law School, not NYU.

HTH.

To all American law-students and alumni:

Although a competition in coolness between U.S. law Schools is so ridiculous that it is embarrassing to visit this site, I must stress that any objective assessment will necessarily favor U-M Law School simply by the fact that Professor Catharine A. MacKinnon was hired there. Michigan is the law school that was able to identify the only genius legal scholar who will be remembered for centuries to come. MacKinnon settles this case.

Prof. Catharine A. MacKinnon was hired there, which settles U-M as coolest. Affirmed!

Held: MacKinnon is coolest!

@EEtoJD

Thanks for helping me make my point.

NYU...NYLS...is there REALLY a difference? Could have saved some money if you had gone to the other one.

Over-rated.

HTH.

@CFF

Um... yes.

HTH.

Folks, UMich Law has a student rock band called "T.J. Hooper and the Learned Hands." They're working on their first album, "Tied to the Mast."
They have two guitars, two basses, a keyboard, drums, a cornet, and an ukulele.

www.carrolltowing.com FTW!

hmmmm

Tomorrow is Hash Bash at U-M. In the street between our school and Dominicks, a thousand pot-heads will smoke in protest of our nation's war on drugs (and the imprisonment of the leader of the "White Panthers" for minor marijuana possession back in 1960-something). NYU and its surroundings smell like urine, I was there last summer. Ann Arbor just smells like popular nullification baby.

@XXX

Ugh, that's your idea of a protest? Yes, that will be effective.

I think I've just lost some love for UM. :(

NYU is full of wanna-be hipsters and people who think that New York is the only place to live. UM gives their law students much more geographic diversity in terms of job options. We can go anywhere in the country. Plus, our profs actually want to be here at the university, instead of just teaching on the side because they happen to be in New York.

I thought pot-heads were supposed to be mellow, not uptight and snarky.

We must WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Smoking for marijuana? Que? Wouldn't it be better to protest the war against women in every nation, or the war against poor nations, or at least protest Prop 2 (and perhaps the imprisonment of the "Black Panters" in that context)?Sure the war on narcotics create lots of harm, but imagine a thousand Black Panters picketing on Monroe (between dominics and the Law School). That could smoke out Prop 2 for sure, with the "means necessary". I believe Michigan can do better than pot-smoking!

I actually do think that NY is one of the only places to live, I just strongly believe that the West Village is the antithesis of cool. They haven't given us anything worthwhile since Dylan in the 60's. What's come out of there since? Faux-taking-back-badges-of-domesticity over-buttered cupcakes? A tv show disguising gay men as four overly self-aware/concerned, poorly dressed (no matter what that super edgy InStyle magazine tells you) ugly women? An overall air of affected bohemianism? I'll take the birthplace of the MC5 and the White Panther party, Ghostly International, and Saturday Looks Good to Me, and proximity to the city that Williamsburg wishes it was (Detroit) any day.

did someone find a way to manipulate the system? Michigan seems to be moving awfully fast.

we just know how to pull together.

The power of Duby

Like the D3: Mighty Ducks III. Dean Caminker is our Emilio Estevaz.

where by "manipulate the system" you mean "get lots of people to vote because Michigan is way cooler than NYU could ever hope to be"... then yes.

and to whomever said UM has no nightlife- is it *really* cooler if you're paying 2 times the amount we are for your drink? also you've clearly never been to ann arbor. check out ashley's, live at pjs, good nite gracie's, the blind pig, the 8 ball, circus bar, bab's... the list goes on of cool bars and clubs with no connection to the fratboy/undergrad scene. it might not be nyc, but it's hardly "kegstands and circle jerks."

Michigan vill crush you all!

This is one of the merits of being isolated in Ann Arbor: People are stuck either at the law library or with their computers and can be awaken from their dreams...

This is organizing, bitches!

wow, we are really pulling away. Maybe NYU kids are just SO cool that they are already out partying at the hippest nightclubs in New York.

Whoever is running this campaign is doing a good job. Michigan is widening its lead rapidly.

The power of Duby... Amen!

Who is Duby? Any relation to Dubya?

Duby is NOT related to Dubya,
but Duby IS related to William Shatner.

Michiganders, don't celebrate prematurely. It looks like NYU has retaken the lead (as of 8 PM).

Duby is the very model of a modern Major-General,
He has information vegetable, animal, and mineral,
He knows the kings of England, and he quotes the fights historical
From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical;
He’s very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
He understands equations, both the simple and quadratical,
About binomial theorem he’s teeming with a lot o' news,
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.
He’s very good at integral and differential calculus;
He knows the scientific names of beings animalculous:

In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
Duby is the very model of a modern Major-General.
He knows our mythic history, King Arthur's and Sir Caradoc's;
He answers hard acrostics, he has a pretty taste for paradox,
He quotes in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus,
In conics he can floor peculiarities parabolous;
He can tell undoubted Raphaels from Gerard Dows and Zoffanies,
He knows the croaking chorus from The Frogs of Aristophanes!
Then he can hum a fugue of which he has heard the music's din afore,
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore.
Then he can write a washing bill in Babylonic cuneiform,
And tell you ev'ry detail of Caractacus' uniform:

In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
Duby is the very model of a modern Major-General.
In fact, when he knows what is meant by "mamelon" and "ravelin",
When he can tell at sight a Mauser rifle from a javelin,
When such affairs as sorties and surprises He is more wary at,
And when he knows precisely what is meant by "commissariat",
When he has learnt what progress has been made in modern gunnery,
When he knows more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery—
In short, when he has a smattering of elemental strategy—
You'll say a better Major-General has never sat a-gee.
For my military knowledge, though he’s plucky and adventury,
Has only been brought down to the beginning of the century;
But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
Duby is the very model of a modern Major-General.

interesting swing...funny how its changed 5% in 4 minutes.

Fantastic comeback NYU!

right. whos running the clickbot?

Umm, someone is definitely cheating, there's been a 6 percent swing in NYU's favor in the 10 minutes since I got to the library.

these results are bunk.

There is definitely cheating. Either that, or people really want Sanjaya (NYU) to win . . .

WTF? NYU went up 5% in a matter of minutes... I call cheating. Lat, something is going on here. Check for the same IP addr voting multiple times...

To quote the post from a Michigan student above: "This is organizing, bitches!"...

or maybe ATL just realizes that the idea of UMich being cooler is completely absurd and proceeded to award us 6% points.

UMich trolls whine too much. Definite sign of uncoolness.

Cheating is the ultimate sign of uncoolness. Well done NYU.

Lucy Liu transferred from NYU to Michigan!

Wow, I didn't care about this thing until I heard NYU was cheating. I guess that is when you know you are a cooler school: when the other school has to cheat to beat you in a worthless poll on which school is cooler.

8:39 How is NYU cheating? b/c of the lead NYU taken? Pretty weak reasoning.

probably because there was a 6% swing in ~8 minutes...and that was at a time when there had only been changes of ~.1 % in the previous 2 hours...

As of a minute or two ago there were 6,168 votes cast.

For NYU to go from having 49% of votes cast to 54.6% would have required something like 348 votes in ten minutes. That's totally reasonable. Pause. NOT!!!

m

NYU is disqualified for cheating. This will be reflected in their character and fitness assessment.

Notice how Michigan was winning in the afternoon when we were all at the library studying. Once it turned dark we all went out drinking and the NYU students headed to the roach infested, socialist rent controlled catacombs to vote. Who's cool now?

6:33 doesn't understand the proper use of "whomever." therefore, nyu is cooler.

an email was sent out a random nyu listserv to vote in this thing... that could explain the quick swing. i guess nyu ppl were finally informed at that time of this thing and finally voted.

MICHIGANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

that seems PRETTY unlikely considering the same emails were sent out at michigan. are you trying to say that 348 students all voted at the same exact time?

*pretty* sketchy... oh well. if NYU has to cheat to win (like, by buying professors and inflating their rankings by giving fee waivers to students who can't actually get in to make their acceptance rate lower) y'know.. whatever.

I think Michigan Law People underestimate the power of the mighty Violets

I'm a Chinese student and now I'm in Michigan. I love Michigan. People are nice and friendly here. But in NYC, people are aloof and snobbish.
GO MICHIGAN!!!!!!!

where does it say how many votes total were cast? i think that's just something someone made up.

I love how just because a large chunk of votes go to one school it must mean someone is cheating. Calm down people.

Why is no one talking about UVA and Georgetown? I'm surprised the poll is even close... UVA is in another league in terms of coolness.

I agree that the increase seen late Friday afternoon in favor of NYU is highly suspect. NYU is so cool that they have a student making clickbots to win an online competition.

I hope that the NYU victory will show the world that NYU's "learned hands" know just as much about clickbots as they do about amateur porn on friday nights. Truly a victory for NYU and their coolness. That'll do pig, that'll do.

If that's the type of person who transfers to NYU from Michigan, well, I'm even more glad I decided not to go there after receiving an offer by your admissions office (and with italian-like efficiency I should add).

Any school that has a debt management program for ANY law related career gets my vote for the coolest law school (Michigan). So, enjoy those next two years telling yourself you're only doing document review until you get yours loans paid off.

A la mierda, tramposos. Ala Madrid. Ala Blue!

-MNOP '07 Yeah, you know who.

michigan law quad vs. washington square park...where would YOU rather be on a sunny afternoon...?!!!

The result of this thing is inconsequential. We all know Michigan's where it's at............................... :)

please make it stop

how would a clickbot help? it only registers one vote per computer, right?

It's so sad that Mich students have to resort to claims of cheating just because they are suddenly losing. What a bunch of whiners and cry-babies. Waaahh.

seriously. results are going the other way, so let's just call it cheating. pretty dirty and underhanded tactic, considering it's not like anyone can disprove the unsubstantiated allegation. calling cheating with no proof is a pathetic way to sway the votes.

Georgetown sucks major balls!.. UVA will win this whole thing.

Whether it' Michigan or NYU in the final.... Michigan is a horrible and overrated piece of shit law school... and at NYU is just not cool....Period.

UVA RULES... thanks for the post confirming that UVA is a highly enlightened place to receive an education.

UVA, admitting women since 1970! Keep up the good work!

NYU got about 500 votes over three minutes or so last night and then stopped abruptly. An email to a listserv wouldn't have that effect, and I'm not sure that pointing it out is sour grapes on Michigan's part.

Anyway, you're all losers.

i thought UVA was a great place- similar to Michigan in not sucking. I thought they would have been a great match-up in the finals.

but, "UVA RULES"- calling michigan a "horrible and overrated piece of shit law school"... wtf? what does that prove? that you know nothing about law schools? last i checked we had fantastic professors, incredible placement ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, and a really supportive, collaborative student body with a lot of school spirit. i thought the overall quality of UVA and Michigan is quite similar.. and so does everyone who matters (i.e. not you). It's sad you have to resort to name calling with no actual evidence to back it up simply because you think that's some sort of "school pride."

Oh well. At least I know better than to be offended by that lame comment from one person at UVA. If Michigan can't beat NYU's wily tactics, I'll still vote for UVA in the finals- because, overall, I think your school is cooler. But come on, don't blow it for them...

where are people coming up with these random made-up numbers? how does anyone know how many votes there are or were cast? sheesh people... stop the exaggerations and lying. for the record, michigan just swung 3% in 5 minutes today, and no one is claiming they cheated.

I'll say it: Michigan is now cheating! How else could the poll shift so fast?

5 minutes? I checked earlier today (like 11:45) and it was at like 52 point something UVA. How is that 3% in 5 minutes??

Well, actually it was more like a 2% shift between 10:00 am and 2:00 pm. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

(One of the professors with a dual appointment sent the link to his other department's students.)

er not UVA... NYU. sorry.

where are you all seeing how many votes there are?

people are just making up numbers at this point, throwing out things like 6%, 10 minutes, 348 votes, 500 votes... pretty soon, someone is going to call someone else a nazi.

all i know is that i checked yesterday and there was a 5% shift towards nyu, and i'm checking now and there is a 4% shift back towards michigan. both seem rather quick... if one is cheating, the other is too.

If you click on "comments" at the poll results, you'll see how many votes there are.

I'm reading a HUGE article on Indian patent law for a class, so believe me, I've been hitting refresh to keep tabs on this poll while procrastinating. This Umich recovery is taking all day.

I'm not bashing NYU--I actually have a lot of respect for the place...and I think it's cool. Heck, one of the coolest people I know transfered to NYU from Umich.

But our Friday surge ahead took all day...and then an hour or two later, NYU was 5% ahead. This is recovery taking us all day too.

Kudos to NYU for however they managed to make that fast a surge, bot or not.

i think all these claims of cheating is just mich's tactic for gaining sympathy and generating hatred for nyu so others out there would vote for mich. well played.

Oh, cut UVA Rules person some slack. They're just pissed that Michigan edged them out in this year's US News rankings.

And about admitting women, they're a mere 100 years behind Michigan, which was the first university to admit women, by the way.

GO BIG BLUE!

I just have to know how you're doing it!

NYU just jumped ahead 2% points and the poll suddenly registered 200 more votes.

It's a marvel!

yeah... seriously. i'm kind of curious too. i figured as much- every time michigan is even close to a come back (or ahead like yesterday), someone magically gets a couple hundred people at NYU to vote in a matter of minutes? whether michigan is being completely on the up and up might be questionable- but there weren't rises like this.

Wow, it was Michigan 49.2%; NYU 51.8%

I hit refresh less than 1 minute later and it was Michigan 47.2%; NYU 52.8%.

It took Michigan all day to creep up 2 percentage points.

Both schools are cheating, but NYU has better technology.

"better technology" meaning someone just poised and ready to eliminate any possible lead michigan can make.

give up michigan... we have better things to do with our time.

Flagrant cheating by NYU -- not underhanded tactics used to outwit UMich, but rather, blatant cheating. This is despicable on the part of NYU -- enjoy your rotten win rat bastards!

And for the record, there was a documented transfer student from NYU to Michigan last year. I doubt NYU can say the same.

wow... ONE student transferred from nyu to michigan? well, that settles it. michigan must be the better school. there's no point in even trying to argue with such conclusive evidence.

I love how though both schools clearly cheated, Michigan is the one making all the noise just because they didn't cheat as well as NYU.

Michigan is much cooler. You can even reach that conclusion by comparing the weather.

Disqualify both schools for cheating! Make a Berkeley/Stanford match-up!

Let's stop the smearing, folks.

Cheating, no cheating, it doesn't matter. It's an internet poll, for crying out loud.

But I second the call for a Berkeley-Stanford match up!

Um, remember this post that came LONG before anyone from Michigan accused anyone from NYU of cheating?:

did someone find a way to manipulate the system? Michigan seems to be moving awfully fast.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 6, 2007 06:19 PM

Aww, noone's called anyone else a nazi yet :(... you're all nazis! Dumb lawyers!

exactly. it looks like michigan cheated early on in a more subtle way, gaining votes suspiciously quickly. it seems nyu then responded with some blatant cheating of their own and got votes even quicker. regardless: pot, kettle; kettle, pot.

if i were to guess, i'd say michigan tried to cheat by using a clickbot to get tons of votes over a period of time. nyu probably just hacked in and added votes. kind of funny if this is true.

It is pretty funny that one poll has twice as many votes as the other.

2:17- I'm not sure that some people throwing out different (and obviously crude) estimates says much to invalidate the principle: An impossibly large number of votes in a matter of minutes followed by an immediate dropoff.

2:55- right on.

Actually, what happened at the beginning was that I sent an e-mail to the law school, my family, my undergrad friends, and a few other schools on campus. In the e-mail, I implied that the polls were closing at 5:00pm on Friday in order to get people voting. So, over the course of Friday afternoon, a lot of people at Umich (and their families) voted to try to beat the deadline.
e-mail me at duby@umich.edu if you would like a copy of the e-mail.

again, let's stop all the cheating accusations. Friday night, things went haywire. It's done. If only it were warmer I would go outside and enjoy hash bash.

I've loved UMich, and NYU is a cool place. While I would prefer a UMich victory, I think NYU would be a deserving champion.

I concede!

Now let's go enjoy the weekend.

but as long as you're here, enjoy:

Peeps!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/070402/GAL-07Apr02-69859/index.html

or www.explodingdog.com

If this is what fun in the T14 is like, you can have it. That being said, NYU and UVA in the finals.

Ahem. My name is Clarence Darrow, and I was awesome. Go Michigan!

Someone set up us the bomb.

We get signal

Main screen turn on

It's NYU !!!

How are you gentlemen!!

All your votes are belong to us

duby, you rock.

Right on Duby! Each school shall revel in its respective coolness.

M-Law folks--let's hit Babs tonight for one last pre-finals hurrah and celebrate the fact that no matter how this poll turns out, we're totally still the champions of the west!

looks like UMich is cheating again. douches.

yeah, pretty clear michigan is cheating at this point. despite all the rumblings that nyu added hundreds of votes to its total, michigan somehow keeps finding tons of people to erase the deficit within a few hours.

maybe they're just "organizing" again. maybe someone else sent out another "email" to other michigan schools. ok, yeah, come on... we all know this ain't legit. nyu cheats, michigan cheats... just give the prize to uva already!

This is retarded. Now it's just become a battle of who can cheat better at an online poll.

So many Michigan votes coming at this quick rate is clearly suspicious, just like NYU's surges before. Both schools should be disqualified.

Bring on the Berkeley/Stanford match-up!

when does this poll end?? please lat, let it end soon!

gotta admit though... all this cheating is making it kind of exciting. i really don't know whose method will put them on top when the poll ends.

I have the coolest son and he goes to UMich Law, which he picked over the other three to which he was also accepted.

Here's a thought--maybe Umich folk ACTUALLY like their school and made a comeback. Dunno. Possible though.

wolawverinemom: Your son is an idiot.

when does this end? this is getting beyond lame...

9399 people have voted in the Michigan/NYU contest.

4146 people have voted in the Georgetown/UVA contest.

Who can explain it?

Can some please identify where exactly in the terms of service on this site it states that we cannot vote multiple times in online polls?

Thanks!

http://www.abovethelaw.com/tos.php

mmm... it looks like NYU has cheated back with a vengeance.

hey 4:46... true, it may be possible... if hundreds of mich students watch this online poll then start voting as soon as they are behind and continue voting for a solid block of time over and over again. and if that's the case, then i don't know if mich is really that cool.

this is kind of funny. no doubt anymore that both schools are cheating. but i have to give it to nyu for cheating so efficiently. michigan's slow clickbot has no chance.

I should point out that NYU was clearly leading before Michigan's suspicious surge, which led to this whole back and forth thing. Though I suppose that's moot at this point.

here's my recap of events:

nyu: yay, we're winning!
mich: go clickbot! no one will notice if we get 300 votes over 2-3 hours, right?
nyu: umm, i noticed. fine, i'll just add 400 to our total. who cares who notices.
mich: cheater! fine, i'll turn on the clickbot again
nyu: i'll just add more votes
mich: clickbot
nyu: and adding again
mich: clickbot
nyu: adding with a vengeance this time
mich: btw, we're not cheating! it's organizing.
nyu: 300 or so votes over 2-3 hours for 3 days straight? please.
mich: ...

"Anonymous" wrote:

wolawverinemom: Your son is an idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2007 06:17 AM

Ouch!

I am underwhelmed by your "scathing" argument. However, your juvenile, moronic, and overly general statement even further convinces me that he made the right choice by not choosing to attend your school.

Obviously your school doesn't exactly teach you to base your opinions on anything even remotely resembling fact. Whichever of the three remaining schools that selected you and you attended appears to be of questionable merit. Either that or you've learned nothing.

If I ever go to court, I hope that you are my opposing attorney. My victory would be a shoo-in!
-- an even more grateful
wolawverine mom

GO BLUE!

11:18- if it's slow, and it hasn't been effective at bringing swinging the vote, then it wasn't a clickbot.

coolest law school around = most civilized monkey in the zoo.

you bunch of nerdy monkeys. GO BLUE!

I GO to Michigan and I'm voting against it, because the law students keep spamming everyone else trying to get us to vote! Note to loser law students at Michigan: please leave the rest of us alone. If you are so desparate to win a stupid online vote, then you probably aren't the coolest people around, now, are you?

wolawverinemom wrote in regards to my anonymous comment:

"he made the right choice by not choosing to attend your school.

Obviously your school doesn't exactly teach you to base your opinions on anything even remotely resembling fact. Whichever of the three remaining schools that selected you and you attended appears to be of questionable merit."

I go to Michigan, fool. But if I had gotten into NYU I would have gone there... There's nothing wrong in thinking or accepting that one school might be better than the other one.

I don't even wanna ask where YOU went to school. I hope it wasn't Michigan though, because that would just mean that pathetic alumni like you are ruining our image.

yeah, i mean, michigan is cheating by finding more computers to vote on and using proxy servers. (from what i can tell.) i don't think anyone at michigan has made a clickbot...

nyu has something better up its sleeve. at this point the whole thing is kinda hilarious. as it's obvious both schools are "cheating" (whatever that means), i'd be impressed if NYU just upped the ante and made it such that they had 99% of the votes. that would crack me up.

I second that! If I knew how to do what NYU were doing, I would just give them 20,000 votes.

Touché, I guess. He chose it over NYU hands down for his own reasons and actually considered UVA ahead of NYU. Is the huge difference in cost REALLY worth it? He's gonna do just fine when he graduates.

How do you know that NYU is a better law school? Unless you're loaded, you get to pay a gazillion dollars to live in a studio apartment the size of a postage stamp. The cultural stuff rocks in Manhattan and if you want to work for a bigshot firm there, it's great, as long as you're not a screw-up. Maybe it would have been better for you, but I guess you will never know. Qué lastima!

Is NYU better in your specialty-- whatever that is? Or is it the rep, since "they" rate it higher than UMich?

I did not go to UMich. I did not even go to law school, but I do come from New York and "heart" it-- as a place to visit.

Let's face it. These are all great schools-- with perhaps Georgetown being just a notch below the other three. UMich, being centrally located is a real clearinghouse for the whole country. Recruiters abound.

Is it education? Quality of life? (Quality of AIR?) Whether you want to snort coke with the Olsen Twins? What's your real criteria?

Sorry you don't like your school. And my assumption that you weren't a student there was my error.

This (bogus) poll is all that we have left since UNC got decimated in overtime in NCAA Basketball.

But do you have to resort to NAME-CALLING? (fool, idiot. . .) Wolawverine moms will disembowel their enemies if provoked.

Go study.
wolawverinemom

(Disclaimer to my last post to Go M!)
My last admonition-- the disemboweling one-- only applies to some wolawverine moms.

what the hell happened to Georgetown and UVA? Is Georgetown cheating?? (lol)

UVA = Macacca

holy crap how did georgetown get ahead? good strategy, taking advantage of the distraction with the whole nyu-mich thing.

i love how someone mentioned that michigan is simply finding more computers to vote on and using proxy servers. as if that would account for the hundreds upon hundreds of votes in a few hours, for three days running. are there even that many computers in the whole state of michigan?

dudes... while you all are too busy cheating and complaining about each other, nyu and michigan kids, look at what georgetown has done! looks like they can play the game as well. the finals should be interesting.

Be careful. You're beginning to conjure up all those nasty stereotypes about lawyers.

The Finals or your finals?????

um, using proxy servers, someone can just keep refreshing. using the same computer.

mostly no one at michigan is actually tech-savvy enough to create a click bot. but going to a proxy server page and clicking refresh.. that's something they know how to do. and if one person does that like, 30 times in a few minutes.. then yes, that would account for it.

don't give michigan more credit than we deserve... trust me.

cheaters.

Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conqu'ring heroes
Hail! Hail! to Michigan
the leaders and best
Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conqu'ring heroes
Hail! Hail! to Michigan,
the champions of the West!

Awww, that's sweet! Looks like NYU's clickbot has given a lift to Michigan after its flesh-and-bone masters realized that the school who wins this sad contest reaps little but derision.

Someone care to give a boost to UVA? Or should they win by default?

OK, now you're really cheating.

OMG! Hail!

Nice little comp. program you guys made... you should share it with UVA ;)

Go Blue! Can we close the polls right now???

Is it going to reflect poorly on all of our Character and Fitness exams when the Bar Association figures out we're all a bunch of dirty hackers?

It is possible for Michigan to win over NYU. Lets face it, both sides have people who are cheating. But Michigan is a huge school and apparently what they have been doing is emailing every family member, friend, and organization at UMich to vote in this. UMich has a campus of 30,000 people. You do the math.

yeah, i'm sure the votes are coming from family members and friends. very likely.

What, you don't have 10,000 siblings? You east coasters must be lonely with your small nuclear families.

When will this poll end?

i take back what i said about michigan earlier... apparently we do know how to create a click bot.

aww. go blue.

haha...
total votes in the nyu-mich poll: 45,000+
total votes in the uva-gtown poll: 4700+

i have to give props to mich... talk about coming back with a vengeance.
though why do all these mich kids still pretend like it's all just students using proxy servers and refreshing pages, or emailing out to families and friends. at this point, it's obviously not the case.

well... unless hundreds of mich kids (and their friends) really are just sitting in the library refreshing pages for hours on end. if that's the case, and the poll is that important, then good for them.

I go to NYU and I'm voting AGAINST it because the law students keep spamming everyone else trying to get us to beat Michigan by whatever means possible! Note (N.B.) to loser law students at NYU: please leave the rest of us alone: that one email you sent to us to vote is making it difficult to know which of the two new emails in my inbox is from the crime log or from the dean. If you are so desparate to win a stupid online vote, then you probably aren't the coolest people around, now, are [we]?

At Umich, everything up to Friday evening was friends and family and e-mails. After NYU suddenly pulled ahead friday night, some UMichers ran to computer labs around campus, but to no avail. Saturday morning UMich almost caught up manually using proxy servers, but then NYU shot ahead again.
I don't think anyone is pretending this surge is friends and family.

On another note, instead of watching the polls, I went to see Grindhouse!

Well, it looks like NYU and UMich got each other disqualified! It's all between G-Town and UVA!

Where'd the poll go?!?!

Too much coolness for the vizu serves? Probably not.

I don't get it! Why isn't Regent University Law School in this? You heathens deserve to broyel in hell, especially UVA and Michigan cuz you're evil public institutions.

When The Rapture comes, none of this will matter anyway, but for now, I'm gonna keep driving my Hummer and like it.

Might as well use up what's left of Earth.

in light of the recent developments, it's funny to read how michigan kids are still arguing they were only running to computers around campus to vote and using proxy servers. like that would have explained the huge number of votes... even if they didn't get caught.
cheaters AND liars!

Dear Last Dude,

Are michigan kids STILL arguing that? No. Clearly they used a script last night to get to 75%. Did ANYBODY suggest otherwise? Show me. Everyone cheated. Looks like you're the one lying though.

Clearly Michigan cheated last night. Clearly NYU cheated earlier this weekend. So what?

As one brash NYU commentator (claiming to have personal knowledge of the fix) said earlier: I hope NYU makes it 99% to 1%. Michigan people had tried to win fairly, but out went the rules when it became clear that Friday's swing in favor of NYU had illegitimately wiped out Michigan's legitimate attempts to win. So, it became a battle of who cheated better.

[I]n light of the recent developments, it's funny to read how nyu kids are still arguing that michigan kids are still arguing [that] they were only running around to . . . "

Hmmmm thats not really fair to call us all cheaters and liars. If someone here was running a script, I don't think all of us know about it... some of us were running to different computers, and maybe they really thought that was why we were winning... be careful with such harsh words! Its not nice!

Also, to the guy laughing at michigan people who have suggested that running around to computers created the win--

If the number of total votes cast had not been buried, it would have been obvious to everyone what was going on-- and nobody would have run around to computers.

I only know what people have written here about what went on at the two schools. It appears Michigan did send out widely circulated emails and people went to computer labs. Did NYU students do the same at first?

Dunno why this didn't seem to post, but...

It seemed that NYU began the bot brigade. For quite some time, UM was attempting to network to vote, then all of a sudden NYU started spiking its votes, in the evening, as I believe was noted, when classes were over. This was an interesting strategy.

After watching NYU pull ahead with its suspicious behavior, and UM trying to mobilize its base with actual people. UM tried a get out the vote campaign, but every time UM started getting close, all of a suddent here was another spike from NYU.

After watching this for a day or two, was it any wonder that some demoralized UM student finally resorted to fight fire with fire? The data seemed to indicate that NYU was in fact the school that employed the bot first. This is not an excuse for UM to retaliate, but at least it offers somewhat of a justification.

I suspect both schools will be disqualified for this. I wish there was a way for ATL to simply log one vote per IP address, and refuse to allow extraneous votes. Sure there is a way to circumvent this (multiple computers, etc), but at least it would help somewhat.

ESPN had to do the same thing several years ago with its mascot competition, after it was revealed that some Stanford students had done the same thing for their Tree mascot.

This is a shame, but really, is it unethical? The contest was set up as a popularity contest. Someone was bound to try to pull this. What laws were broken? Why cloud this with ethics? It was a case of school pride; nothing more. (And no, I did not participate in bot running; the only thing I am guilty of is friend/family spamming.)

nice try, but you're trying to twist pretty established facts here. michigan first surged ahead suspiciously. nyu responded. michigan then surged ahead again. nyu responded. michigan then surged ahead again. and you're telling me it's because michigan was able to mobilize their students, friends, and families to all vote multiple times again and again over several days? kind of hard to believe.

give it up. i can believe one mobilization, but not more than that.

"every time UM started getting close"

exactly. how was mich able to get close over and over again despite nyu's cheating? mich was cheating way before you're claiming.

dude, they were mobilizing. over and over again. several hundred students telling their families and friends. who then voted multiple times. over and over again. all perfectly coordinated over only several hours each day for three days. seriously, it was all legit up until the end.

and don't you see, even that was justified! a poor demoralized student, so sad that his school was losing in an online coolness poll, had no choice but to retaliate. won't you listen to his tale of woe? doesn't it just tug at your heartstrings?

how is georgetown ahead?

wow... i would think ppl in law school would have better things to do than argue about this... lol, pretty lame

Isnt that the point of law school? To learn to argue?

This seems to be fairly good proof that neither NYU nor Michigan could possibly lay claim to a title that even approaches the word "cool."

Rosa Brooks left UVA because she wasn't invited to stay. Way to latch onto our castoffs, Georgetown!

Don't be stupid. Rosa Brooks got tenure at UVa, then decided to leave. And, she is AWESOME. Lucky Georgetown.