Greenhouse v. Greenburg: JCG Responds
"Linda says Jan has had work done -- I mean, A LOT of work...."
Due to associate pay raise mania, we've been neglecting news in other areas of the legal profession -- like our beloved federal judiciary. We're embarrassed, for example, not to have commented upon the Bush Administration's rumored Supreme Court short list, drawn up in case there's an unexpected vacancy at the end of this Term.
The theme of the article: the shortlist is centered on women and minorities. Most of the names are familiar (e.g., Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen), but there was one very exciting addition: Judge Loretta Preska, of the Southern District of New York.
Here's how she was described previously at Underneath Their Robes:
Judge Loretta A. Preska. In a word: magnificent. Tall, thin, elegant. Great bone structure, perfectly coiffed silver hair. Note to self: nominate for superhotties contest next year? Fabulous dark blue suit. Who designed? Dramatic, extra-long jacket, white-trimmed lapels; tapers down towards clasp, then flares out again--gorgeous cut. Nice accessories: big gold eagle pin, ladies-who-lunch pearl necklace, matching earrings. Delivers intro like newscaster, smooth as butter. Gestures grandly with long fingers; flawless manicure. WOW!
This scrumptious SCOTUS scoop was delivered courtesy of Jan Crawford Greenburg, one of our favorite Supreme Court correspondents. And our affection for her has only grown after we attended an event with her last week, at the Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC) in Washington.
Discussion of that event -- where we put JCG on the spot about her rivalry with Linda Greenhouse -- appears after the jump.
Before the event, we chatted with Jan Crawford Greenburg (hereinafter "JCG"). She explained that she had just returned from New York (by plane, of course; no Chinatown bus for her).
We admired her summery ensemble: a pantsuit in dark brown, as opposed to the more formal skirt suit she wore to her Georgetown talk, paired with a cream-colored blouse and expertly accessorized with a coral necklace. Her reddish-brown hair also looked lighter than in the past.
Greenburg was introduced by M. Edward Whelan III (above), a former Scalia clerk and DOJ official (and current blogger), who serves as president of the EPPC. In his remarks, Ed Whelan noted that Greenburg is a University of Alabama alumna: "So if there are any Auburn fans in the room, please keep it civil..."
JCG's prepared remarks focused on her book, Supreme Conflict (which we read and greatly enjoyed, and commend to you all). She described it as "two books for the price of one": the story of how the Rehnquist Court became that Court, and a history of the recent nominations of John G. Roberts, Harriet Miers, and Samuel A. Alito.
Much of this discussion previously appeared in our report on her Georgetown Law appearance (with Jeff Rosen); so we won't repeat it here. We'll just mention a few comments that caught our attention this time around:
* "In some ways [the Court[ is like nine individual law firms," JCG noted. But they define themselves in relation to each other. E.g., the conservative Justice Thomas caused Justice O'Connor and Justice Kennedy to drift leftward in reaction.
* "The story of the [Harriet] Miers nomination is actually kind of sad.
(We agree. See here.)
* The people involved in trying to prepare Miers for her confirmation hearings described the experience as "trying to teach someone French in three weeks -- and expecting them to pass a fluency exam" at the end. HA!!!
Things got juicier in the question-and-answer period. A few highlights:
1. We asked JCG (paraphrased; if you want the exact wording, locate the audio clip on the EPPC website):
"I'd like to ask you about the Supreme Court press corps, specifically, one particular member of it: Linda Greenhouse, of the New York Times. If one were to subject Greenhouse to some dime-store psychology, she seems strangely threatened by you. She wrote that snarky Reporter's Notebook item on your blog post about Justice Ginsburg. More recently, at a lunch talk at the New York law firm of Willkie Farr, she criticized the conclusions you draw in your book about Justice Thomas, describing them as lacking evidentiary support."
"Thus far you seem to be taking a Rose Garden approach to Linda Greenhouse, declining to engage her attacks. So... what do you REALLY think of Linda Greenhouse?"
JCG seemed caught off-guard, perhaps flustered -- but for just a moment. She quickly regained her composure, and delivered this response:
"I did hear about Linda Greenhouse's talk at Willkie Farr. I read about it on your blog, in fact."
(JCG reads Above the Law? How neat!)
"My point about Justice Thomas is that he was always an individual and forceful, solid conservative voice. I didn't think that Greenhouse's account [claiming that JCG saw CT as "the ideological heavyweight anchoring the conservative side of the court"] was an accurate characterization of what I wrote."
"But people are free to read my book and disagree. And it's great to have so many writers, so many different voices, covering the Court."
"Linda has obviously been the preeminent Supreme Court reporter for a long time, and I'm sure she will continue to do so. I read her stories with great interest."
SIGH. Jan, we commend you for being such a class act. But it doesn't make for the greatest copy...
2. JCG went on a fascinating digression about the interior decoration of the justices' chambers. "The justices' chambers oddly reflect their personalities."
Justice O'Connor: her chambers boast "the colors of her beloved southwest," as well as "coffee tables fashioned out of drums."
Justice Ginsburg: her chambers are "sleek" and "minimalist," exactly what you'd expect from "the New York intellectual that she is."
Justice Kennedy: his chambers are "grandiose," with an enormous seal of the United States; they look more like the office of a United States senator than a Supreme Court justice.
(Funny quip from an audience member: "And Justice Souter's chambers -- like the Bates Motel?")
3. JCG discussed future retirements and future nominees to the Supreme Court.
"I don't think Bush will get another nomination."
When she interviewed Justice John Paul Stevens, after the death of President Ford, she was struck by how "hale and hearty" he was, and how much energy he had.
These days "it's interesting to watch [JPS] in the struggle for Kennedy." Justice Stevens "seem to be dropping gratuitous citations to Kennedy opinions," perhaps in an effort to court the crucial swing justice.
On various possible nominees:
Maureen Mahoney: confirmable, but someone conservatives would be upset by.
Janice Rogers Brown: could be tougher to confirm (despite "getting high marks from her colleagues" on the D.C. Circuit).
Some conservatives might say that Supreme Court nominations are "the only thing that Bush has gotten right," and essentially "dare the Democrats to vote down Janice Rogers Brown."
Priscilla Owen: "getting high marks on the Fifth Circuit."
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All in all, it was a very interesting and enjoyable event. If JCG visits your city, we urge you to attend her talk.
We do know that she will be the luncheon speaker for the Federalist Society's D.C. Luncheon this Friday. Details here. It should be a very interesting event.
Jan Crawford Greenburg autographs our copy of Supreme Conflict -- with a thoughtful and personalized inscription. Needless to say, we were delighted!
EXCLUSIVE: Women, Minorities Top Bush's Supreme Court Short List [ABC News]
Jan Crawford Greenburg and Supreme Conflict [Ethics and Public Policy Center]














Comments
JCG is hot
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 11:26 AM
Dear 11:26:
You need to get out more.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 11:36 AM
JCG is as far right as Greenhouse is left.
Posted by: anon | June 6, 2007 11:36 AM
11:26 is so right.
Posted by: HOT | June 6, 2007 12:13 PM
"Justice Kennedy: his chambers are "grandiose," with an enormous seal of the United States; they look more like the office of a United States senator than a Supreme Court justice."
Unsurprising.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 12:22 PM
11:36(2): You mean she marches at anti-abortion rallies?
Posted by: anon | June 6, 2007 12:22 PM
On the merits: Preska would be a disaster based on a prior case with her. Keep her far away from SCOTUS please.
Posted by: anon | June 6, 2007 12:22 PM
Is JCG really a conservative? I always assumed she was a liberal. I don't know anything about her, though. Does anyone know?
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 12:33 PM
12:22 - does that mean she benchslapped you?
Posted by: Anon | June 6, 2007 12:38 PM
I have met Judge Preska a couple of times and she is very smart, well-spoken, and doesn't seem like a foaming at the mouth conservative. She is also strikingly attractive, and let's not pretend that sort of thing doesn't matter (see Roberts, John).
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 12:55 PM
11:36: What support do you have that Greenburg is a conservative? I know she's appeared on a number of conservative shows but she's promoting her book. I've heard her on NPR and CNN, too. What makes you think she's a conservative?
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 12:57 PM
12:33 - Read her "book." She's definitely a loyal Bushie.
Posted by: It's not obvious? | June 6, 2007 12:57 PM
It's not necessarily a bad thing that JCG leans right, but I don't think it's really disputable. Her "book" was VERY sympathetic to the Bush administration and her writings (see the article pinning the whole US Atty's firing mess on McNulty) are too.
Posted by: Elaboration | June 6, 2007 01:00 PM
I guess that's why Lat loves her so much.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 01:03 PM
I cannot wait for the Dems to take over in 2008 and purge DC of all the Jesus freaks. Those hick heads will roll! Back to Alabama and Georgia and whatever backwater hick hellholes they came from.
I know that's unrelated to this post but I just got excited.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 01:23 PM
JCG is definitely hot
Posted by: anon | June 6, 2007 01:42 PM
If you think JCG is hot now, you should have seen her back in law school! Oh, and that southern drawl . . . sigh
Posted by: class of 92 | June 6, 2007 03:16 PM
Why are people turned off by JCG's possible (or definite) conservative leanings. Do the only legal and court commentators have to be liberal and predictably hostile or condescending towards conservatives, like Greenhouse or Lithwick?
Posted by: anon | June 6, 2007 03:26 PM
when has greenhouse or lithwick been hostile or condescending towards conservatives without some substantive reason for doing so? you're just perpetuating the stereotype that liberals, in making substantive arguments, legal or otherwise, are being "condescending" or hostile when encountering conservative rhetoric or positions that are intellectually indefensible.
Posted by: anon | June 6, 2007 04:00 PM
1:23 = most intelligent post yet today
Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2007 05:18 PM
There is scant evidence of JCG's political or judicial inclinations. I would ask some of the previous posters to provide some evidence to back-up their contentions. I read JCG's recent book and it seems more of a historical overview as opposed to envincing any sympathy for either side of the polical aisle. The few comments she made about President Bush seemed to be negative. From what I remember, she wrote something to the effect of regardless of what you think of the Bush Presidency (kind of leading point), conservatives should be please with his nominees (which currently seems to be accurate, after they decide more cases, there may be a different take).
Greenhouse, however, is considerably biased. Anyone who has glanced at the Justice Blackmun book would be able to discern that.
Posted by: anonymous | June 6, 2007 05:43 PM
A close reading of Greenburg's book gives hints she might be conservative, but she is very careful to be extremely fair and impartial. Nothing in the book suggests she is a "loyal Bushie." If you believe that, you're suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Greenhouse, on the other hand, is a rabid liberal who routinely disdains conservatives. Read any of her articles, or take a look at the transcripts of any of her speeches. She's a disgrace.
Lithwick is not as overtly partisan; she just has almost no legal acumen. She really has no idea what she's talking about. Simply going to law school does not qualify you to comment on ever legal issue in the news, but it doesn't seem to stop her.
Posted by: matthew friendly | June 6, 2007 07:11 PM
"Greenburg . . . is very careful to be extremely fair and impartial."
"Greenhouse, on the other hand, is a rabid liberal who routinely disdains conservatives."
Yeah, clearly you're an impartial observer.
Posted by: anonymous | June 6, 2007 08:11 PM
anonymous:
Never said I was. Nice name by the way - your given name, I'm sure.
However, this analysis does not require impartiality, only honesty. Honest observers will note that Greenburg is almost always apolitcal and impartial, while Greenhouse infuses everything she writes with her liberal activist bias. Open your eyes, if you can.
Posted by: matthew friendly | June 6, 2007 09:58 PM
Hi Greenburg!
Posted by: hahaha | June 6, 2007 11:04 PM
Apparently, in some circles a "loyal Bushie" is someone who fails to reflexively savage conservatives.
Posted by: cfoster | June 8, 2007 02:47 AM