FIRST!!!

Any other good summer associate stories?

what does this have to do with Kirkland, Gibson and Latham matching $50k?

"If you attempt to name the SA in the comments, your comment will be deleted (technically, "unpublished" -- this preserves your IP address in our records). If the comments here get unruly, we will close the thread.

As we've said many times before: YOU are responsible for your own comments. Above the Law assumes no responsibility for them. Thank you."

Blatant AutoAdmit trolling.

why can't we name him? you were more than comfortable naming KF in the incident that happened a couple of weeks ago and none of the subsequent posts that say her name were deleted. shady business Lat, shady business. please explain

If they really admitted that they took to long for them to fire the SA, isn't that tantamount to asking someone to sue them for knowledge of harassment & doing nothing about it.

Because KF put her name out there by emailing a group, telling people to pass the word along, and posting to a listserv.

"Please note that this post does not mention the name of the summer associate in question. This is deliberate.

If you attempt to name the SA in the comments, your comment will be deleted (technically, "unpublished" -- this preserves your IP address in our records). If the comments here get unruly, we will close the thread."

Why? I know next to nothing about defamation, libel, etc., but if the information in the post is true, then nothing to worry about. If it's false, then omitting the name doesn't change that. The post notes that the stuff there is "merely allegations."

As I've said, I know nothing about the relevant law. If someone would care to enlighten me, that'd be sweet.

Post the name already. What good is a site like this if you can't enjoy someone's reputation being trashed?

Lat, bravo for not naming the guy - I honestly wish you would follow that policy more often.

12:27, the point is to avoid permanent google-bombing of this guy's name, regardless of defamation liability issues

12:25 is right. Unless the SA in question decided to broadcast an email describing how he got shit-canned for smacking girls' asses, Lat is justified in withholding the name here even though he didn't w/ KF.

That's usually the policy Lat follows. He deviates from it when:

(1) the person has already put her name out there (e.g., KF); or

(2) the person was previously named in an MSM outlet (e.g., Orrick dude).

We're already getting all the salacious allegations. There is no marginal entertainment value from knowing the guy's name.

If his name is published, he will be relegated to working in Atlanta.

wtf? why can't we get the guy's name?

12:23

With the exception of this statement, (which I doubt was made by an Attorney) ." They weren't given all the details, but were told that "if they knew the details, they would be surprised that it took so long for them to fire the SA."

They did do something about it, they released them.

can we at least find out what school he went to?

No marginal entertainment value from knowing the guy's name????

What planet are you from?

12:27, if the person is not named, they can't bring an action. This is the reason for "blind items."

Good for you, Lat. Excellent policy.

Wow. I wish someone would get fired in my Summer class!

This is the best we can do this summer! ?! Come on summer associates, there's only a few weeks left, someone do something really crazy and get fired already!

I only heard about one person last summer getting fired, but he allegedly threatened to kill an associate at a summer function.

This was supposedly in Los Angeles.

I understand about redacting the name, but I for one am dying to know the guy’s 1. State of origin and 2. Law School.

This slapping of asses in the office is a most curious cultural manifestation.

Was the ass slapping by any chance done by the wearer of a 5 or 10 gallon cowboy hat? With the cowboy hat itself? Did the guy yell yeeeha! each time?

I understand they fired him, but the comment they allegedly made implied that they had enough information to justify firing him at a time prior to the actual date of firing.

I interviewed at Katten for this summer. Didn't get the offer. Now I'm happily laughing at who they took instead. Love the firm I'm at now.

My money is on Puerto Rico Law School.

12:48,

I wonder if he also threatened to saddle up any of the office phillies and ride them all night long.

Or maybe he commented that he would like to break their spirit like a wild palomino

What a fucking jackass. Wait until you're a partner before you start smacking asses.

I had a summer "vanish" out of my firm's class in '98. But it certainly does seem rare, at least in big firms...

I can promise you this joker went to a T2 school, or lower. Those busy little bees are disposable.

Apparently we're not supposed to post about the guy mentioned earlier. Oops! Now I know not to ask.

Weird; didnt the exact same thing happen at OMM LA?

Ok, ok. No names.

What did the student from NYU do a few years ago?

12:47 - My buddy knew that kid, it was way worse than just that.

THE SA WAS A MINORITY, AND FOR THAT REASON HE WAS DISLIKED AND HARASSED BY THE GROUP. HE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT, AND HE ALSO CHALLENGED SOME OF KM'S PRACTICES ON ETHICAL GROUNDS.
HUMAN RESOURCES NEEDED TO FIRE HIM AND CONCOCTED THESE ALLEGATIONS FOR THAT PURPOSE. HE IS PLANNING A LAWSUIT. OH BY THE WAY, I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ANY OF THIS. I MADE THIS POST UP FOR DRAMA.

Quick, L2L get out the resume!

Sorry, someone had to do it.

Truths:
-SA - white kid at a top 10 law school.
-VERY stupid comments made, which he doesn't understand would be taken the way they were. Racial comments (real ones, in the N-word level) and unwanted physical contact.

-Learning experience for me, with two friends at big firms, how the legal profession is staffed by as many stupid (but well compensated) people as the outside world.

It was Bob Lawblaw.

1:14

Worse than that?

What happened?

Lat -

Perhaps it's time for a post collecting links to the best SA stories of years past?

Thank . . .

For the firing from last year see the link: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=440928&forum_id=2&PHPSESSID=6c2ce5bc1113280ec72dbb4efb2d6b6b

You can't even smack the ass of your female co-workers anymore? WTF?? How can we be expected to work in such conditions?

Who the hell is Bob Lawblaw?

You mean Bob Loblaw?

who is KF?

He should send his resume to Baker Donelson in New Orleans. I hear there's an opening down there.

Who cares what the SA's name was? There is plenty of entertainment value in knowing that an SA managed to get himself fired for something so stupid.

He should send his resume to Baker Donelson in New Orleans. I hear there's an opening down there.

Lame. If the guy's a sexist pig, Lat, you owe it to us ladies to give us a name so we know to AVOID this guy at all costs.

AutoAdmit link doesn't work. Post text from there?

2:11,

If a guy is grabbing women colleagues and making very offensive racial jokes (particularly at work) then that might be hint enough to avoid him---doesn't seem like this guy is flying under the radar.

HA - SA challenges the ethical practices of the firm. HAHAHAHAHA. SA's don't get to challenge the ethical practices of the firm - they're not even lawyers!!!

One frivilous lawsuit in CT and Lat loses his nerve.

A seemingly nice and really straight-laced guy at my law school used to get drunk at parties and say really disgusting things to female law students. He pursued one woman until she filed a complaint with the school. He didn't get fired as a summer associate, but his firm ended up retracting an offer to come back permanently when the firm heard about his behavior. I guess the firm figured that he was a law suit waiting to happen.

The Summer who was fired goes to a top ten law school, and there was no meeting with the other SAs. My best friend is a SA at Katten.

2:01, here's the post about KF.

Oops, sorry: http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/07/minorities_give_props_to_are_p.php

I know all about this clown and:

(1) He definitely deserved to get fired
(2) He's a huge d-bag from a top ten school that thinks they're better than everybody else because they have a good football team
(3) His racially motivated comments, while not reaching n-word levels, were dangerously close
(4) This proves that my first impressions of people are generally correct

Michigan???

Oh, the irony!

Wow! When Idi Amin says this stuff about you, you know you're an asshole.

1Yale University (CT)
2Harvard University (MA)
2Stanford University (CA)
4New York University
5Columbia University (NY)
6University of Chicago
6University of Pennsylvania
8University of California–Berkeley
8University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
10Duke University (NC)

T10 with attitude about football you say... that does narrow it down quite a bit.

what is so bad about the n-word?

I second the request for a repository of stupid SA stories. Remember the guy at Cadwalader who sent the email in 2001? That is much better than aquagirl and deserves to be put in the same place so that we can all laugh at them simultaneously.

Clearly Michigan, right?

Stanford's football team is no good. And few stanford kids go to chicago.

Cal-Berkley has a good squad.

None of those schools have a good football team - especially Michigan. HTH

so what did the Cadwalader guy exactly do? we need more SA gossip!

I am not from California so I can't speak to the fans of either Stanford or Cal, but I can attest to the fact that Michigan fans have no shortage of attitude and that Chicago is littered with Michigan alumni.

Wait, when did Katten hire Anthony Ciolli?

3:30,

It can't be Michigan, if it was he would've said a GREAT football team. It must be Berkeley.

I realize I'm not kidding anyone.

No Schembeckler: UVA is 10 also.

UVA's football team is terrible. and 4:10 needs to face reality, that Michigan's football team is about as good as its legal market is.. didn't your foray into the Rose Bowl teach you twits anything?

Maybe once you get rid of L-L-L-L-Loyd Carr you might have a chance of being considered good again.

And no, I am not a Michigan St., Notre Dame, or Ohio State fan.. so save it.

3:59: Your post is clear evidence that we need all SA stories in one place.

A long time ago, in 2001, a Cadwalader SA flipped out and sent a raving email to his advisor (which was promptly forwarded to everyone in the world with a computer) that alleged that the firm was CWT was discriminating against Italian-Americans and that everyone was doing blow in the bathroom. The full email goes on for paragraphs and is quite an insight into the psychosis suffered by some SAs. It is, of course, this psychosis that is the fodder for some much gossip on slow news days.

Cal Bears #1!

No way would anyone, no matter how retarded on day-one, ever reside 2 years in a San Francisco Bay Area LS and try to get the ladies' attention by slapping ass. Ist just way too liberated out here. (We know how to ask--politely--and when it is not polite to ask.)

We are talking Midwest or Texas (probably the latter) for sure.

I just realized how much I want football season to start.

So do I 4:25, so do I...

Guy wouldn't dare try it in Texas---women would hit him right back. My money's on UVA.

So do I 4:25, so do I...

4:17 (Pac 10),

I imagine few want to see this thread turn into a pissing match about football, with stats flying and such, but I'll say this:

Michigan isn't perfect, not even close; USC beat them soundly at the Rose Bowl; for at least the last 4 years USC has generally been a better team; lots of people are eagerly awaiting Carr's retirement; and Michigan did not deserve to go to the BCS title game last year. But to say the program is terrible, or bad, or even not good is just ridiculous. To call a team that is consistently (with a few off years, which every team has) one of the best in the nation terrible shows an irrational bias. Not perfect and problem free, but still a great program.

I not a fan of Notre Dame, or Ohio State, or USC (I'm from a UCLA family) but I can still freely acknowledge that all of those schools have great football programs.

4:17 (Pac 10),

I imagine few want to see this thread turn into a pissing match about football, with stats flying and such, but I'll say this:

Michigan isn't perfect, not even close; USC beat them soundly at the Rose Bowl; for at least the last 4 years USC has generally been a better team; lots of people are eagerly awaiting Carr's retirement; and Michigan did not deserve to go to the BCS title game last year. But to say the program is terrible, or bad, or even not good is just ridiculous. To call a team that is consistently (with a few off years, which every team has) one of the best in the nation terrible shows an irrational bias. Not perfect and problem free, but still a great program.

I not a fan of Notre Dame, or Ohio State, or USC (I'm from a UCLA family) but I can still freely acknowledge that all of those schools have great football programs. So does Michigan.

Those who can, play. Those who can't, study law.

I understand the logic behind not giving his name, however without it my interest in this storied died in about five minutes.

Beating up on a generally Subpar Big 10 (eleven? hello Penn State!) fattens up Michigan's record nicely.

I don't think they are an elite program anymore.. not until L-L-L-L-loyd retires at least. They are an ordinary program that feasts on the subpar talent in a crappy conference.

Better than average, I can give you that... but no way is it a "great" football program.

What's wrong with Ass-grabbing? Seriously. The PC police have taken another victim.

agree. this madness must stop...

i reiterate 4:25's sentiment, i miss football.

i reiterate 4:25's sentiment, i miss football.

1) It's obviously not okay to grab the a**es of your colleagues
2) The canned Summer has a girlfriend.

Pac 10,

What was it, about (more than?) half the college football watching world (fans and talking heads alike) thought Michigan deserved to be in the title game last year? They were wrong, sure, but that says something and I think that something is more than "better than average."

Playing Penn State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Wisconsin (throw in Iowa and MSU on their occasional good years) is not a cake schedule. Sure they play Illinois and Indiana, but overall the schedule isn't a cakewalk (go to espn.com or the BSC strength of schedule ratings from last year if you want to see numbers--Michigan's was considered tough).

And keep in mind that two or three years ago practically the entire Pac 10 was weak except for USC. Now Cal has gotten better, but it still isn't like a Pac 10 team has to face a giant every week, or even every other week.

OK, I'm done. Must work. Feel free to say whatever crazy stuff you want.

nobody here gives a fuck about football. give us some juicy SA stories or shut the fuck up.

Penn State has been good once in the last 10 years. Notre Dame is always overrated and loses their bowl game against real competition, Ohio State is usually legit.. Wisconsin is one dimensional.. Iowa and MSU are not that good.

Agree to disagree. I too must get back to work.

everyone should care about football, fucker.

Seriously! You people are boring the piss out of me (and I GO to Michigan.) More salacious SA gossip, please?

There were plenty of guys like that when I was at Chicago a few years ago -- but they don't play sports there. Too busy getting allergy shots and organizing their pocket protectors.

4:41, that's silly. If we learned his name, we'd forget it tomorrow. We don't know the name of Aquagirl, but it's still a great story.

It's only interesting to know his name if you know the guy. But if you know the guy, you probably already know the story.

I say keep the names out.

4:59, not anymore!

oh snap!

I care about football, and I have to say that pound for pound the Big Ten kicks the shit out of the Pac 10.

"Better than average"? Duh.

I don't see how you can argue that Michigan is not a great program. One could argue thats its not a consistent top 5, but it certainly is certainly a top 10. If thats not "great", I think your standards are too high.

Big 10 superiority is a media created myth. Don't believe the hype. Did everyone here miss bowl season last year or something? Come on!

They used to be great, and now they are simply better than average. They can;t even beat their freaking rival!!!!!

They beat up on the dregs of their own conference and everyone thinks they are great. I don't believe they hype.

Would that be the bowl season where 2 big ten teams beat 2 SEC teams (largely regarded as the best conference in the country)?

The fact is that every BCS-conference has ups and downs through the years. It is also a fact that every BCS-conference has some patsies. If you look at bowl records, the Big East was the best conference last year.

Michigan is considered an elite program by every single serious football observer, just like 10 other schools. At least 110 Division I teams would gladly trade places with Maize and Blue.

For those out west, I have no brief with the claim that USC is something special. They are, no doubt. But they aren't the only ones.

More importantly, Lat, give us a compendium of summer associate stories. I would also gladly take a "greatest hits" post.

The really funny thing here is that no one is standing up for the SEC or the Big 12 (in terms of football certainly not academics).

12:19 #3 got POWNED by 12:19 #1

Last year a SA was asked to leave Paul Hastings LA mid summer after a run in w/ a partner & remarks. From USC?

5:39 - I didn't read anything saying the SA fired was necessarily a 2L. Maybe that 1L is the one.

For all the ninnies here getting their panties in a wad over the Big10, you all need to go rewatch last year's Fiesta Bowl and see what a real football team looks like. That's right, Boise State all the way!

Why attribute so much veracity to one post saying that the school has a great football team? We're legal-minded people, folks. I think the presumption should be that one allegation isn't enough to come to a definite conclusion.

Boise State? Last time I checked, Boise is a city and not a State. Too bad staying in school past 4th grade isn't mandatory in Idaho or you'd have figured that out by now.

WTF IS POWNED?

It's pwned you loser.

All I know is that the last time Nebraska played Michigan, the Huskers won. And they should have won the entire 1997 championship too.

I think it's great that Nebraska has taken it easy for a few years so other teams like USC, Ohio State, Michigan, and Florida could borrow the limelight. The Huskers are back in '07!

Boise State means it's a State university that's located in Boise, moron! Maybe if they taught grammar at Cornell you'd be smart enough to figure that out. But even w/o advanced english language skills you might have tried some empirical research and found schools like:

Adams State College
Alcorn State University
Angelo State University
Appalachian State University
Athens State University
Augusta Sate University
Humbolt State University
San Diego State University
San Fransico State University
San Jose State University
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Castelton State University
Chadron State College
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Coppin State University
Jackson State University
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Lewis and Clark State College
Lyndon State College
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Norfolk State University
Northeastern State University
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Portland State University
Tarelton State University
Thomas Edison State College
Tri-State State University
Traman State University
Albany State University
Columbus State University
Kennesaw State University
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Dalton State College
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Governors State University
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Granite State College
Harris-Stowe State University
Henderson State University
Kent State University
Mayville State University
McNeese State University
Mesa State College
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Montclair State University
Morehead State University
Morgan State University
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Murray State University
Rogers State University
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St. Cloud State University
Salem State College
Sam Houston State University
Shawnee State University
Empire State College
Valley City State University
Wayne State University
Weber State University
West Liberty State College
Western State College
Western State University College of LAW!
Wichita State University
Winona State University
Winston-Salem State University
Worcester State College
Wrigth State University

Maybe then you could have concluded that Boise State University meant a state university in Boise rather than the university of the state of Boise. Or, maybe they just don't teach us geography out here in Idaho and I've been decieved all along in to believing there were only fifty states. So, I'd be much obliged if you could please point me to the state of Kent, otherwise get a life and go ask your fancy TTT Ivy League school for your money back.

Boise State all the way!