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Anyone have an opinion whether Kirkpatrick & Lockhart move up on this list next year as a result of the merger?

Looks like I was the winner of the "first" game.... See, it IS possible to be a winner if you don't work at Nixon!

I had a friend who summered at Thatcher Proffitt and loved it (he did real estate). He was really looking forward to starting this fall.

Can anybody tell me anything about Nixon Peabody LLP? I've heard of the other firms on this list, but not that one. Did anyone summer there?

Which of these five firms are on the list of shame for 160 in the major markets?

Nixon is still list of shame for DC. Hunton raised.

Thacher sells commodity CMBS work. Are they still paying bucket salaries to mids and seniors and rolling with hours based boni?

Ah, 1:15, if you will but give me four minutes of your time I can tell you all you need to know about Nixon Peabody . . . better yet, I can SING you all you need to know . . . (cue music).

Fortune Magazine named Nixon Peabody one fo the best places to work in the entire country a while back! It didn't really create much buzz in the law firm community but they certainly pimp that fact in their recruiting materials.

Nixon Peabody: #73 on the Vault 100, but #4 (and rising!) on this weeks' American Top 40.

1:30. Really? I hadn't heard. They should create a song or something.

Everyone's a winner at Nixon Peabody.

Is everyone a winner at Kirkpatrick & Lockhart?

Hunton = sweatshop who believes itself to be elite but is in fact a victim of their own snobbery...

Is there a national buzz about Hunton? I know they are one of the big/only two along with MW in Richmond, but what does that mean for the region or nation? Beside the number on the Vault 100 is there any reason to choose HW over MW if one would be staying in Richmond.

I summered at Hunton in Richmond... ummmm, very recently... and it was a miserable place to work. 75% of the associates I interacted with were pretty transparently unhappy, and the other 25% were from shitty southern law schools like Univ. of Richmond, so they still felt lucky just to be working.

Overall, I'd suggest to any 1Ls out there that if they want to summer at Hunton, (1) stick to DC or NY and/or (2) definitely split your summer. A lot of my fellow summers spent the whole summer there, so even though they didn't like it, they feel like they have no choice. As for me, I'm going elsewhere, for sure.

K&L Gates has still not raised in Texas. Not a market leader and a poor follower which makes for poorer associates. Might as well move to ATL.

Is Nixon Peabody going to be the butt of jokes forever? I hope so.

To Anon at 1:43:

Why do you think the DC or NY offices are better places to work?

Can anyone tell me if it is all about integrity at any of these firms?

Anyone know anything about Hunton in TX?

How can NP be full of winners if they're only ranked 74?

To 1:50 -- The summers I met from Hunton's DC and NY offices seemed to be having a better (or at least, more professional) experience overall. They were working hard, but seemed to still like the firm and take their work very seriously. NOT so in Richmond.

Plus, Richmond has traditionally been the main office, but that's changing. NY and DC are where I got the sense the firm is focusing.

I wasn't in love with Richmond as a city (though Hunton tried REALLY hard to push how great it is), but if I wanted to stay there, I'd go to work for MW.

Good point 1:52. As far as I'm concerned, they're just the 73rd loser.

Hunton...Ah yes. Ok, this is impressionistic (although I have worked with Hunton lawyers and, eh) but fwiw... I went to UVa and those bastards from Richmond strut around Virginia (and the grounds of the Virginia School of Law) like they own the place. Funny thing is McGuire seems happy to be the gentlemen lawyers of richmond, but Hunton thinks they are the big-city hotshot lawyers BSD truly big league the SHIT. Yeah... Whatever. Not everyone is a winner at H&W, imho. Arrogant f*cks.

I've heard that Nixon's IP lawyers are trigger-happy idiots. I saw something to that effect on a blog somewhere.

Interviewed with HW a while back. Not impressed at all. 1:42's comments seem pretty spot-on

Main reason to choose Hunton over MW is money. MW pays individual salaries on the way up, and the are, at least currently falling short of the averages at Hunton.

MW has nicer lawyers as people, but the firm is in a big transition stage and depending on what practice group you work in it can be just as bad as Hunton. Hunton actually got a few lawyers from MW this year so far ...

Here's my advice. If you want a lot of money without sacrificing your whole life ... win the lottery.

The Nixon Peabody song has legs.

Seriously, it’s a bullet.

All it needs is some airplay on an 80” rock station.

Hunton on NY is a joke. They think they are big shit because they used to dominate the Richmond market--if that is even a market!--and that arrogance has carried over to NY. They try to recruit only at the top schools because that's what Richmond does with the Southern schools. Meanwhile, their bonus structure has been a mess for years and they regularly pay under market. The partners in NY are petty and the internal politics are ridiculous. A miserable firm all around.

2:07, how is MW in a big transition stage? I know they appointed a new chairman and a new managing partner, but is that what you are referencing? Just wondering

If you want to work in Richmond you're better off going to one of the boutique firms like LeClair Ryan. Hunton and MW consider themselves the Richmond elite -- reality is is they are just regional firms that employ mostly UVA/W&M/ and U of R grads. Why work there unless you have ties to the area? Its really not that nice of a place to live . . . traffic heading North to DC sucks and there is nothing South until you hit Orlando.

I am prepared to offer Nixon Peabody a record contract for two million dollars!

The billables at MW and HW are the same as those at LeClair or any of the other "boutique" firms. So if you are going to live in Richmond why not just work at the "elite" even if they are just regional firms? Moreover, in what field is LeClair a boutique? I don't know anything about them.

WTF is "Richmond"? Is that where those poor fellas got stuck in Deliverance?

L2L, normally I would say that these firms are still ranked too high to consider you, but IMHO I would guess that NP may have trouble recruiting at the moment. Send in your resume before this blows over!!!

2:24 - Would that be a 90/10 split?

2:17 - LeClair Ryan is only a great firm if you do litigation. They pay significantly under market. Don't be fooled by what they post as starting salary; the number they quote includes everything from bar expenses, to health insurance, to parking. So in reality, starting salary is about $25 less than advertised. Also, your bonus is tied to what is collected off of your time, not just what you bill. So if you do work for a dead-beat client and they don't pay, you get no bonus.

Can someone tell me about K&L Gates in Pittsburgh?

Contrary to what someone said above, splitting your 2L summer can be a bad idea -- you might end up hurting your chances at an offer from either firm. Just a thought.

I don't wand to argue semantics. but by "boutique" I mean they primarily focus on Labor and Employment. Point is that LeClair and most of the other medium Richmond firms are competitive in the salary/bonus market and in my opinion offer a better lifestyle in that they don't have a bunch of dickwad partners and associates with degrees from regional schools who act like they are ivy league educated. A UVA student is considered a big catch to both firms. Billables are the same in most of the medium to large firms in Richmond but regardless you can't put a price on working with people who are somewhat grounded. MW and Hunton suck . . . if your going to live in Richmond at least be happy where you work. If it's money your after, Richmond is not the place to be. If you went to a regional school other than UVA and want $$ go to Northern VA or DC.

1:52 - NP is full of winners in the same way a special ed class is full of winners.

Can't . . . get . . . out of . . . my head: "everyone's a winner at NIX-ON PEA-BO-DY" . . . CURSE YOU INFERIOR FIRMS!!!

I strongly disagree with the idea that splitting your 2L summer can be a bad idea. I suppose that would be true if you blow off one of the firms or don't take an offer from a place you really like because it doesn't allow you to split, but people split their summers all the time. Firms understand how this works and don't take it personally or hold it against summer associates when it comes time to make offers -- unless the firm is full of people who didn't have many job opportunities themselves.

I see where you are going with the LeClair and lifestyle. Thanks for the clarification.

Wow, I can't tell if all the H&W hate is coming from one disgruntled summer or not, but it sure sounds like it.

Like any firm, your personal experience at H&W will depend on the handful of individuals you happen to work with. I'm sure some practice groups offer a more pleasant experience than others. And let's be real, you can find unhappy associates and arrogant prick associates/partners at any firm in town.

That said, there are really just two tiers of law firms in Richmond -- H&W & MW, and then everyone else. Of the two (H&W and MW), I'd say MW is more of a sweatshop. At least based on my observations and anecdotal evidence from other attorneys in town. LeClair is 100% eat what you kill (great if you are highly entreprenurial; not so great otherwise). Troutman (formerly Mays Valentine in Richmond) is still trying to find its local identity and cope with Atlanta oversight. Williams Mullen is a good mid-sized firm, but like LeClair, I think they are handicapped by the fact that many of their clients are small corporations and individuals, which translates into lower billable rates and lower associate comp.

As a place to live and raise a family, Richmond is hard to beat. Of course, if you are more drawn to the bright lights of the big city, then you'd find Richmond pretty boring. But if you like low crime, easy commutes, good schools and outdoor activities, then the city has a lot to offer.

And no, I'm not on the recruiting committee. Just trying to talk some summers in off the ledge.

Arent there alternatives to Hunton (and Gruntin) in Richmond like Troutman or Williams Mullen?

I cant speak personally but I would check those out after MW and HW in Richmond. LeClair Ryan is a souped up insurance defense firm doing med mal, etc. I give them credit for trying to change that, but their pay is low and the hours arent much better. The only good mid-sized firm I've heard good things about re: QOL is Hirschler Fleischer (sp?).

Nixon Peabody has a horrible reputation in Boston. Lack of proper trianing and unhappy associates.

Richmond is the 5th most dangerous city in the US.

Can anybody tell me about Chadbourne? I know they had a bad year in 2005 and fell from the 50's in rankings down to the 70's. They have done some restructuring and turned around their profits. Is the restructuring done? Are they on the way back up, or are things still a little volatile there?

Splitting your 2L summer can definitely be a bad thing. First, you have a much greater chance of missing out on interesting things that happen to run into the second (or start in the first) half of summer. Second, and more importantly, you spend the first four or so weeks of a job getting comfortable and meeting the people you're working with, and at that point it's almost time to leave. The last thing most people want to do at that point is go start over again with a new round of awkward introductions to co-workers. Most of the people I know who split their summer ended up having a miserable time in the second half.

Can anybody tell me about Chadbourne? I know they had a bad year in 2005 and fell from the 50's in rankings down to the 70's. They have done some restructuring and turned around their profits. Is the restructuring done? Are they on the way back up, or are things still a little volatile there?

Just got a call-back from Chadbourne, but know nothing about it. Thoughts?

You will have a life outside of Thacher if you work at Thacher. The people are the nicest in New York. AND, you will be paid very well.

That said, you will do a shit load of securitization work.

I agree with 3:38. The thing that should be of concern is how much this crunch in the credit market will affect TPW. They were making a lot of money off of these mortgage backed securities issuances.

I agree completely with 3:07. I used to work with Hunton-Richmond (left for spouse's job) and really liked it. At least in my group, the people were great and very competent. There are certain teams that get crushed with NYC-like hours, but most associates have a good life. Summer associates would be wise to rotate through several groups to figure out which groups have it better. The bonus structure is definitely nothing to write home about, but there is a big cost of living savings and no one else in Richmond is offering any better.... My general impression is that those who complained about the hours expected not to work hard because it's Richmond. The reality is that, regardless of location, large firms are large firms and associates have to work a lot.

As far as Richmond firm hierarchy goes, Hunton is the most elite and the closest thing there is to an international firm (and it is true as some commentators noted that the firm is dominated by UVA law, but do they are quite willing to hire law review/coif out of Univ of Richmond). McGuire Woods is next, followed by Troutman and WilliamsMullen. MW has a good practice, especially in commercial litigation, and they have some impressive political connections. But H&W wins in transactional/corporate work.

Troutman used to be a local shop and now reports to Atlanta. I heard Atlanta demoted some former equity partners in Richmond, which created some tension, but maybe things have smoothed out a bit with time. WilliamsMullen is best described as the firm that services local businesses. I know people there who weren't very happy. They place a lot of emphasis on client development at a young age (like, day 1).

To be blunt, I think a summer would be an idiot to go to Richmond but turn down offers from HW and MW.

I can't say much about LeClair Ryan, but it's definitely NOT on level with the four firms above.

Richmond is fine. It depends on what you're looking for.... If you like DC and NYC, you won't like Richmond.

I suggested splitting just to keep options open... to be entirely honest though, I did not split my time at Hunton, but without saying too much, I have an open offer from my 1L summer firm so I wasn't in the same boat as others. I can't say how Hunton feels about splitting... but I know some summers did it and got offers.

3:10-- Richmond crime is generally isolated to a very few (and very identifiable) areas of town. Not parts of town an attorney would find him- or herself.

I interviewed at Chadbourne DC a while ago. Since that time, a big chunk (maybe all) of the white collar group jumped ship for McDermott Will (Abbe Lowell, who represented Jack Abramoff, among others, headed up the group). I seem to recall that the only other stuff going on there was arbitration between insurers and reinsurers. Nice enough people, if a bit stuffy.

1:54, that would make a great "No Fear" shirt!

WTF do you whiny sniveling little bastards want from your law degree? You want to make top of the market pay, yet don't want to work too hard and want to be surrounded by lawyers and staff who blow smoke up your ass all day and sing sweet nothings. Oh, and a state of the art office, free cell phone and blackberry, and the most wonderful breakfast buffet spread (free of course) laid out in the lobby each morning.

Pay me $160,000. Accept the fact that I will be 1,700 "true hours." Give me a big fat bonus for my "commitment." And be adaptive when I walk in your office and say I want to stay on the partnership track and my spouse and I are committed to having 2.5 perfect children by the age 33 and to be living in that exclusive gated community on the north end of town and to get to every single one of little Joey's soccer games and to have our picture taken working on a Habitat for Humanty worksite on a Saturday morning before we jet off for 10 day family vacation on Captiva.

I am now at Hunton after spending a few years at MW. I definitely see Hunton as a step up. Not only is the compensation better, you won't get nickled and dimed. Simple things like paying for CLE workshops, issuing a blackberry, year round business casual, etc will be found at Hunton. You can have those things at MW (except for the business casual) but you'll have to pay for it yourself. MW is a solid firm but Hunton is a step above.

Bottom line is Richmond is a small city. There are large corporations that generate plenty of work for HW and MW. Outside of that with a small city you get small city politics generally controlled by a "good ole boy" network of finance, politic, and lawyer types. I don't want to patronize anyone but again, unless one has ties to the area there is nothing there. You are not going to break into the powerful homegrown circles that exist in Richmond. I can think of not earthly idea why a lawyer would want to work in Richmond unless:

1. You are from Richmond or went to lawschool in the area, or

2. You can't find a job anywhere else

You will be a small fish in a small pond. If you went to a school thats ranked higher than UVA, people will just assume you fall into group 2.

Anybody have any dirt on K&L Gates' Seattle office? Any info is appreciated.

How does Hunton stack up among the Norfolk firms? I heard Vandeventer dominates that market. I have an offer from Hunton but can't get an interview with Vandeventer. What should I do?

Thacher and Cadwalader may in deep sh!t over this MBS fallout.

Admittedly, I am trolling just to what is said about Hunton, but am confused in that the discussion on Hunton is focused around Richmond, which is of course where the firm started, but there about 800 attorneys in Hunton outside of Richmond and the firm is moving to a national designation from my understanding.

Any info on the Dallas, Miami or Atlanta offices?

4:29: I think Hunton's Norfolk office does a lot of maritime work. The office is a remnant of the old Hunton (smaller, Virginia firm) and is not a powerhouse in Norfolk like Kaufman & Canoles. That being said, you'll be part of a very large firm with concomitant benefits, and it couldn't hurt your resume.

4:23 Good insight, but I bet you went to either UVA, Richmond or William & Mary. Probably William & Mary. I can profile HW folks all day. Probably in their tax group if you lat moved there from MW. Good luck.

Admittedly, I am trolling just to what is said about Hunton, but am confused in that the discussion on Hunton is focused around Richmond, which is of course where the firm started, but there about 800 attorneys in Hunton outside of Richmond and the firm is moving to a national designation from my understanding.

Any info on the Dallas, Miami or Atlanta offices?

1:22, Thacher's bonus is based on hitting a target billable amount - 2100 hours.

I hate nothing more than the "b/c you didn't get an offer" responses to criticism, but let's not completely dismiss the fact that the above disgruntled summer associate post came exactly one week after offers and rejections were communicated.

As with the poster above and, in full disclosure, I recently worked for Hunton and enjoyed my experience there as well. To advise anyone to not look there or entertain an offer from Hunton is very poor advice- particularly if you want to work in Richmond. I imagine even Hunton's local competitors will agree.

As for the general Richmond bashing, don't be silly- it is what it is. If you apply to work in Richmond, you're looking for a certain sized city and you've chosen it (i.e., you've already cleared the big city hurdle and chosen a smaller city). It's actually a very nice city, great to raise a family in, solid COL given the very good salaries offered by TS, HW and MW, etc. Heck, you can make top dollar working at a national firm in a medium city- if you have a family, it's a no brainer.

Oh, except for the summer associate that is wise beyond his years.....

4:35: Good point. Richmond is by far their largest office and probably still comes across as the HQ.

The Miami office is very strong. They do a lot of Latin America business transactions. The firm's new managing partner came out of the Miami office, which should diminish Richmond's influence.

The Texas offices just absorbed most of the Jenkins & Gilcrist (sp?) lawyers. Not sure how that'll play out, but it added a lot of attorneys.

Atlanta strikes me as fine, but it's not Alston or King.

"I can think of not earthly idea why a lawyer would want to work in Richmond unless:

1. You are from Richmond or went to lawschool in the area, or

2. You can't find a job anywhere else"

Posts like these crap me up, if for no other reason, than their ignorance. Gee, Anon, if you can't think of a reason, it must not exist. COL? QOL outside of the firm? Family life? National work in a local market? etc. Perhaps some people actually like cities you don't, or even dislike cities you like. The nerve!

Following up re Chadbourne: I work in the DC office (doing the "arbitration between insurers and reinsurers") and have found it be a good place to work. I don't know about the "stuffy" factor in the other groups or offices, but my group is fairly relaxed and friendly, especially at the associate level. All the usual big-firm perks apply, plus you get the advantages of working in a smaller office. My one caveat is that the office is very practice-group-oriented, so I tell recruits to make sure you like the people in your group because that's who you will be seeing 95% of the time.

4:50 -- you must work at MW and are pissed you can't get a job at Hunton. Or you went to Regent and are the new Bieber and Associates associate. I can understand why COL is important for you when your on a 50/50 split in the DUI market.

"crap me up"?? How old are you? 12 or 82?

is HUNTON a good place to work for?

NO

YES

MAYBE

I summered at Hunton in Richmond and loved it there (and, no, I didn't attend a Va. law school). Not sure about the "unhappiness" figures cited by the summer associate above, not my experience at all. The associates I interacted with were great, enjoyed working there, but were clear that you worked hard. I suppose it depends on the summer associate and the group he or she rotates through. To each her own.

Also, not sure how that person knows much about the NY / DC offices, we didn't have much exposure there....

What is HUNTON's bonus structure?? Please explain

Folks at Hunton just working there is the bonus. But they also offer $$$ because most of the associates soon realize the only reason they are there is HW offers the best potential compensation package in Richmond. My understanding is that it varies. Discretionary performance bonuses are offered, based on performance and market.

I have to assume the vast majority of today's posters are law students...who in the world actually thinks any law firm is made up of nice guys and pollyana happy lawyers. Get in a good group, all law firms have them, and you'll be happy. Don't get in a good group, leave. Happens every day.

Eighty-seventh!

5:17 is dead on. The summer associate griping above is in for a reality check if he wants to work at BigLaw.

K&L Gates Seattle gives multiple summer associates the same assignments, then compares them to see who did the best, and they only give offers to the best ones. Also, morale in Seattle is low since the merger.

K&L Gates Pittsburgh is a decent place overall. They are about a year removed from some of the "right sizing" growing pains that other firms in the city are currently experiencing. The burning questions on most associate's mind in the Pittsburgh office is "is there a future here for us. Will there be a positive return on our investment of human capital?" There are no clear answers. Pittsburgh is a mature legal market place and there are few entities in the region that firm wants as clients that it doesn't already have. An attorney might make service partner after 9 years or so, but the prospects of becoming a equity member are low.

Outside of Richmond, I think H&W is focusing primarily on growing the Dallas and Miami offices at the moment. Outside of the US, the London office seems to be the current darling.

NY and Atlanta, maybe not so much at the moment. The Los Angeles office (new addition) and the other international offices are still pretty small and focused on servicing a handful of clients or 1 or 2 markets, I think.

The smaller offices in Raleigh, Knoxville and Norfolk are remnants of an earlier age and don't seem to get much attention.

I can tell you though that the Richmond practice is hardly local. Sure, some practice areas are, but there are many attorneys in Richmond deal exclusively with clients and other law firms outside the state. Some deal only with people outside the country.

My advice to law students is to first decide where you want to live. Only then should you start comparing firms in that area. Don't let the so-called prestige of NY or DC draw you into a situation that you can't live with. If you decide that Richmond (or a city of that size and general geographic area) is for you, then you'd be silly not to consider H&W.

Last Last!

Can I just say I love C&P! They have very strong practice areas such as project finance, tax and products liability and strong regional experience in Africa/Middle East, Eastern Europe and the Former Soviet Union and Latin America.

Plus, the people are great.

I'm looking forward to following C&P developments, with the possible merger and all.

Nixon Peabody is trying desperately to raise it stature (along with more than a few other firms). But every effort they make seems to backfire, and it seems like they just can't get it right. They have almost as many partners as they do associates, as a result of poor planning, small town roots and letting partners coast for too long. Now that they've merged with some other subpar firms, they've shifted their focus to "rising in the ranks" - unfortunately at the expense of civility towards partners, associates, support staff and everyone else in their path. Everyone feels squeezed, everyone is on edge and everyone is unhappy. They're probably desperate to merge and latch onto a decent firm, but their prospects aren't too good with their Rochester, New Hampshire and other out-of-town offices keeping them down and they're profits per partner on the low end. They'll hold out on raising salaries as long as they possibly can, there's no lockstep, bonuses are far from market and are a mystery, but they'll make sure to raise startiing salaries to market right before interviews, so they can make believe that they pay market. For a firm with this ranking that prides itself on being a quality of life firm, they've created far too many unhappy campers in the ranks of their current and ex partners, associates, staff.

I recently summered at Thacher. I can confirm that it's a pretty decent place to work, and that most of the associates seem happy and have lives outside of work. Working on weekends is the exception, not the norm, and associates are encouraged to actually take their vacations. That said, most associates do work until 930 or 10 at night every day. Like everywhere in NYC, trying to work at Thacher and have a family life would be extremely difficult, at best. Most associates there do not have families, and those that start families generally leave shortly thereafter. Of course, as I said, that's the norm in NYC. Overall I'd say that Thacher is above average in terms of quality of life.

H&W DC is a great place to work, and it looking at expanding. Its hard to get a job there out of law school because they prefer laterals. However, they get enough laterals to expand, which says something about their perception in DC.

Hunton has been hiring lots of SCOTUS clerks for the Richmond and DC offices in the past few years.

Here's the down side to TPW. The work at Thacher is very repetitive. Month after month of cookie cutter REMIC transactions. Bonus is based on hitting a minimum of 2100 hours.

Th upside is that there are only one or two screamers (both in structured finance). You may work very hard and long during the week, but rarely work weekends.

If you want to do litigation, big corporotate M&A, private equity, or bankruptcy work then this is not the place to be.

Thacher is about strucutured finance. If you are alright with that, you'll like it here.

From experience, I advise anyone to avoid NP at all costs. The firm has major problems well beyond their stupid song. From my experience, it is worse than other biglaw firms in many ways. they dont have enough business to keep everyone busy, and they fire people (associates, staff) really unexpectedly. associates and staff are generally nice, but in my opinion, the rest of the place is toxic and desperate. I could go on at length but I won't.

Friends at K&L love it.

I summered at Hunton NY, and though I can't respond to the comments made about the Richmond office but I have nothing to say about my experience with the firm generally and the NY office particularly. NY is definately the new face of the firm - the (41 yr old!) managing partner of firm is now based out of NY. The work is sophisticated, particularly in the areas of business-type law and antitrust litigation. The attorneys are all happy and work reasonable hours for the most part. As I am now interviewing in another market (for personal reasons) where Hunton has no office / presence, attorneys regularly know the firm and the quality of work. This has helped me realize that the reputation is certainly national, and not the regional reputation that some other commenters suggest.

Let's face it, you don't rank as high as Hunton does in the league tables and in Vault by performing regional work. Any suggestion otherwise is likely fueled by sour grapes and not realities of the market.

True, 1:43, it takes some serious national and international deals to get you a spot above the winners at Nixon Peabody.

LOL- true enough.

Beware of K&L's New York office... The place has been a revolving door at mid- and senior levels. First years are in way over their heads in the corporate group. Litigation department doesn't know its ass from a hole in the wall...

Any further information Re Chadbourne in NY, workplace, people etc? Has it rebounded from the massive fall in prestige rankings?

Anyone know what a 4th year earns at NP in Rochester?

how does troutman sanders in richmond compare to MW and H&W? any thoughts?

chadbourne (ny) vs. schulte

any thoughts?

"fusion" or anyone else with inside info...
Could you elaborate on your K&L (NY) warning? I'm considering an offer there, so details are greatly appreciated.