don't let the jeans and lower case type fool you, quinn's a sweatshop.

(Checks clock)

Hey - isn't it about time for MLB to lay off associates again?

Isn't this pointless? Lets do a V50-100 thread and be done with this.

Is Quinn the most pretentious firm ever when it comes to hiring standards? I had a recruiter tell me that if I didn't have law review and a clerkship to not bother applying.

2:56: That's what I've heard, too.

Quinn will take any laterals from V50 with a pulse. Apply as a 3rd or 4th year and avoid a few years of 2700 billables.

We are almost to the firms that will consider me!

sallygrowler

I work at MLB Philly. I actually like it here. Hours aren't too bad. People are friendly. Perks are decent. Pay is kind of skimpy, but so is everyone else's in this town. Client's are good. Work is interesting. Generally a positive report for anyone who wants to know.

L2L: No, we are not. Try back in a couple months.

Baker Botts. Ha.

2:35, can you say more about the whole quinn=sweatshop thing?

3:05 -- Client's what are good?

How is Baker Botts? What are the hours like in their TX office?

MLB NY is a very nice place to work in lit; don't know about corporate.

A friend of mine had his call back canceled by Quinn Emanuel in Northern CA. Sounds like they may be having some financial troubles - has anyone heard of anything?

Maybe ATL should look into this.

Quinn definitely has exacting standards. One gets the sense that they are trying to move up in the world.

Any feedback on MLB DC would be much appreciated

3:22 maybe Quinn is about to lose some partners or something causing business to drop?

I love King & Spalding! The laid back atmosphere, causual attire, and great pay... and don't forget the partnership prospects!

MLB DC is also a very quality place to work. The people are very very friendly, and the pro bono opportunities are fantastic if you want to get a chance to really dig your hands into some substantive work.

All of the perks are comparable with almost any other firm in the city, and the in-house cafeteria rivals about half of the restaurants in the District in regard to quality and selection.

Anyone know what the partners at Baker's Saigon office are like?

don't forget about K&S' low billables...... It's a dream job.

If you're a litigator, gotta love Baker Botts DC. They gained a great white collar practice when they merged with the DC boutique of Miller Cassidy. If the DC office were its own firm it would be way higher than 45 in the prestige rankings. They got some incredibly talented partners with that merger. Which also means the cases are really interesting.

They staff cases pretty leanly. Haven't heard of/experienced any partners who are nut jobs, everyone is actually really friendly. Bonuses are a little low, but 2100 hours will put you on partnership track.

K&S associates are on the verge of a revolt. Maybe when half of the mid-level attorneys (who do all of the real work) leave, the firm will reconsider compensation and quality of life - but don't count on it.

3:10: How does upward of 2800 hours sound to you?

3:22 - Yeah, there's absolutely no way it has anything to do with your "friend's" qualifications...

In fact, I never heard back from DOJ, did anyone hear anything about a constitutional crisis???

3:36 -- Then it was super lame, disorganized and unprofessional of Quinn to give a callback in the first place. Sounds about right.

I have a friend at the K&S NYC office and she rarely has anything positive to say about the firm. Half of their partners leaving for other firms didn't help matters either.

Is Baker Botts more of a sweatshop than V&E/Fulbright? Or are they comparable?

Yea, you've got to love billing 2400 hrs. with no chance at partnership, while getting paid less than a 1st yr. in Texas.

Any info on Baker Mckenzie- Chicago? What kind of hiring standards for someone in a school ranked 25-40?

Seriously, 3:05, 3:21 and 3:28, it's great that everyone is so, uh, friendly there at Morgan, but aren't you a little concerned that the last time the market was "disrupted" (2001) your ultra-friendly firm laid off 50 associates and de-equitized 70 partners?

It must be great to work at K&S Atlanta. You can be running matters as a 7th/8th year and assign work to 2nd years in any of the firm's other offices--and they will all make more money than you do!

Talk about warm fuzzies.

3:44; not at all. they laid off and de-equitized all the unfriendly types.

Can we get nominees for cheapest firm in the Vault 50?

(Yes, I have one in mind.)

What's the scoop on BB Texas? Any BB associates care to post?

quinn having financial probs is hooey. check out the average partner profits for last year. there's a lot of work for associates, but "sweatshop" is far from the mark.

Quinn is amazing. A few years ago, when I was in law school, the only people that go there were 3Ls who didn't get offers from (or really didn't like) their 2L summer firms and those with no offers anywhere else. Everyone I know that went to Quinn had split (because unlike real firms, they were forced to let people split and come to Quinn the second half of the summer otherwise their summer class would be empty).

Don't believe the hype re: trial experience, at least not in the satellite offices; like most firms, they rarely go to trial. They pay their support staff way below market, and you can tell the second you walk in their bright green lobby and talk to them. (Think about the quality of work and morale of support staff who couldn't get hired at a firm paying market rates who know they are working for 2/3 the amount of their peers down the street.) Quinn's absurdly high trial success rate is based on the cases their partners won BEFORE THEY CAME TO QUINN (i.e., when they were AUSA's, who don't try cases they can't win). There used to be an article on the internet breaking down all of the misrepresentations in Quinn's advertising, see if you can find it for some more great stories.

Quinn's minimum was 2200 hours, I think they may have actually raised it to 2300 since then. This is compared to most NY firms where it is 1600 for full bonus (though obviously you career wouldn't be too long if those were your hours year after year).

Greatest thing about Quinn: back in 2000, they sent out 600 fake (but very real looking) hand grenades to businesses all over California with tags on the pins that said had the firm's name on them. This was right after the whole anthrax scare so naturally everyone freaked out and called bomb squads, etc. Quinn had to send people out to physically collect all their grenades and assure everyone it was just an idiotic publicity stunt. They still have a warehouse full of grenades. These are the kinds of geniuses you will be working with if you go to Quinn.

It seems odd that Quinn is both a "sweatshop" and having "money problems."

Usually it is one or the other.

they're so proud of those ppp at quinn. yes, 2800+ hours is a lot of work. also, a sweatshop.

3:44-

I am not concerned at all. In fact, I applaud that they made the moves necessary to stay strong given the particular economic climate at that time rather than keeping everyone and risking the overall long-term financial health of the firm. Don't be so naive to think that many many firms did not do the same thing.

And further, if you are good at what you do, then you don't have to worry about being one of the 50.

And it looks like there are no Baker Botts people around.

MLB DC, as another pointed out has a great building and great people. Many of their practices including Labor, IM, Antitrust, Energy, and Tax are very highly regarded in chambers.

Most people I know there are very satisfied.

MLB DC, as another pointed out has a great building and great people. Many of their practices including Labor, IM, Antitrust, Energy, and Tax are very highly regarded in chambers.

Most people I know there are very satisfied.

B&M is having major problems. DC just lost at least 5 associates this summer and office morale is at an all time low. Management sucks. My group is maintaining, but the corp group is on another cycle where everyone leaves and a new crop comes in for a year (or however long it takes to figure out the partners in that group are jerks).

3:18 - It's a typo. Forgive it and then get back to work.

3:44 - I concur with 4:00...I'm not concerned either. MLB is very big on doing what is necessary to stay competative, but they only ever let go the non-producers. If you're good at your job, you'll never be released. This place is run like a first rate business.

AND in a firm of 1,300 lawyers world-wide, laying off 50 isn't such a serious concern. You have to really be at the bottom of the ladder to be one of those guys. They were probably hiring mistakes to begin with.

I think hours in BB Houston and Dallas run higher than other offices. Check the NALP forms. Because the Houston office is so much larger you get a bigger spread of personalities. As in any community, some people are jerks and some people are nice. The hours between F&J, V&E, and BB are probably very similar in the Houston offices. They do different types of work though, I think. In Houston, F&J is a corporate firm, BB is an energy firm, and V&E is a litigation firm.

Also, F&J is known as being the liberal Houston firm, V&E is full of frat boys, and BB is the stodgy, conservative good ol' boy club.

3:05, 3:21 and 3:28; don't kid yourself. i was sitting in a meeting where mlb's managing partner told a group of midlevels (of which i was once one) that his firm's future rested on lateral pickups, and not on helping homegrown associates grow their careers. and it wasn't that long ago that the firm fired a beloved junior partner on, i kid you not, christmas eve. let's find one alum who thinks mlb was a good place to work, or that even its stellar associates will be safe in a market downturn, and then we'll talk.

4:00 -

MANY firms did NOT do the same thing. It's arrogant to think that you are so great that you could never fall victim to a bad market. Being an associate is in many respects a temp job, but not taking resposibility for over-hiring is pretty lousy. I say if you brought in twice as many associates as you needed, take a hit on the expense of keeping them or take a hit in future recruiting.

LAT - can we have a threat on this? Not getting fired at the first whiff of a downturn is a major perk and ought to be of interest to law students. And timely... Shearman, MLB and CWT would be on the list of firms that have dumped large numbers of associates when times were bad.

What are typical billables at BB Houston to stay on partnership track?

Anybody at Baker & McKenzie NY? Specifically the tax department? They say they are expanding the NY office very rapidly.

Any thoughts on work enviro?

Thanks

3:57 - It is amazing how much misinformation is in your post.

First, there is no minimum billable hours, let alone a ridiculously high number like 2200. Minimum for bonus is 2000 hours, which includes pro bono. (QE's pro bono policy is characteristically informal, but no one has ever been denied a bonus just because of pro bono hours.)

Second, the amount of AUSAs at the firm is extraordinarily small. Of the partners, I believe less than 10% are former AUSAs. (The number could actually be less than 5%, but I haven't looked into this carefully.) Pinning the high win percentage on them alone is just plain wrong.

Third, where do you get the support staff stuff? More rampant speculation?

Fourth, the trial experience is across the board, and the "satellite" offices have just as much going on substantively as the "main" L.A. office. Fact is, all four offices have a substantial amount of trial and arbitration work going on, and L.A.'s relatively higher amount of in-court experiences is literally because there are more attorneys there than at the other offices. If you look at percentage of trial work at the firm, it is evenly split, as makes sense given that it is a litigation firm.

Finally, I'll give you the hand grenade thing. Very dumb PR move, but you have to hand it to the firm that they savvied up on marketing and have done an amazing job since.

As for other posters' speculation on "financial difficulties" at the firm, that is way off. The firm has expanded ridiculously over the past few years and is set to continue into the foreseeable future. Also, average annual associate hours is in the low 2000s, not (as some have insinuated) above 2500.

3:18/4:19, no idea. would need someone from that office to respond. Probably a little more than the average billed as listed on NALP. Good question though. If Texas is on the $160 scale AND partnership track requires relatively low billables, it's really attractive.

King & Spalding NY is a sinking ship. Ride it down like the Titanic...

Quinn's below-market pay to support staff, and its zero-quality-of-life character are well known. Deny all you like, but the truth is out there.

Garbled mt first sentence. Meant to say that QE does not have a ridiculously high minimum hours like 2200 hours, and that most NY firms do NOT award full bonus at 1600 hours. 1600 hours for full bonus is a fantasy.

Re: MLB

As mentioned above, laying off 50 attorneys firmwide in a firm that has approx. 1300 total is not the massive purge that some on this board make it sound.

Is it bad for the 50 that got the pink slip? Absolutely.

But as others have mentioned, if you are producing quality work-product (whether you are a first year or a sixth year), then you do not have as much to worry about as the guy down the hall who is barely making his hours and is producing average or worse work-product.

Can anybody confirm/rebut 4:28's insight into KS-NY?

Thanks for the MLB DC info, folks

I get so sick of reading naive and arrogant comments like 4:00. Do you not realize how unpleasant it is to work at a place going through layoffs, *even if you are not one of the ones laid off*? Watching your friends get fired, taking over cases from embittered 5th years who just got canned, watching as partner's nephew gets to keep their job while nice smart guy with low billables loses his?

4:18

From which office was the "beloved" junior partner terminated on Christmas Eve? Also, which MP made the comment about laterals? Was it FM?

just about everything on this board about quinn is wrong (including everybody claiming to know the billable requirement, excluding paying staff crappy), so take it all with a lot of salt. re callback axed in california: that's because of a too large sa class.

Didn't these layoffs happen years ago? My guess is management has probably changed.

As for the firms on the board in DC at least I have heard good things about BB and MLB.

4:09-

Sounds like a problem with the DC office, the firm seems to be doing really well as a whole, and the US part is actually starting to pull its weight in the growth department. What exactly are the major problems with the firm?

What about MLB San Francisco?

What are the partnership prospects like at Quinn, in particular the LA office? My sense is that they are an eat-what-you-kill kind of place, so perhaps they're more willing to promote folks with good work product that they expect will be service partners rather than rainmakers, but perhaps that's just wishful thinking.

Anyone have info on Baker McKenzie's BONUS structure for the Chicago office? It's not listed on Greedy, or any other such sites.
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5:26 --

I heard the same thing from a very reliable insider re staff pay, poor level of responsibility, and the winning percentage inflated by criminal prosecutions by attys before they worked at Quinn. The hand grenade story is widely repeated. Isn't that true also?

Having to cancel callbacks this early in the hiring season can't be a good sign.

The staff pay is true, and is pretty low. I can't speak to the winning percentage, because I don't really follow it. As far as responsibility goes, I'm a second year who's been listed as #2 or #3 counsel of record in six cases, and have been primarily responsible for two (relatively smaller) cases, with minimal partner oversight.

I get the feeling that we have a lot more variation among our offices than some places.

6:39 QE associate: what were your billables over the past 2 years?

5:28 - you mean MLB hasn't had any layoffs since the last time the economy went down the crapper? No mass layoffs at all in the boom years? Gee, I guess you are right and we should just forget all about it...

All of the people on here (or the one person posting as multiple people) going on about firms laying associates off during an economic downtown, quit whining.

If you want to never run the risk of getting laid off, go work for the government.

ATLien (3:46):

As if. K&S DC is autonomous enough that DC 2nd years aren't likely to take orders from ATL 7th years at all--at least, not unless DC partners are working on the same matter and tell them to, which doesn't seem to happen often. It's almost like a separate firm-within-a-firm. I can't speak firsthand to the complaints about the ATL office, but the DC office is a nice place to work. Interesting work, reasonable (for Biglaw) hours, good people.

It may be that they realize DC associates (most of whom went to T14 law schools, unlike Atlanta associates) have the freedom to lateral to any of a zillion other firms or to the government, whereas the Atlantans will work for peanuts until they bail for $50K/yr jobs in their hometowns in Alabama. But whatever the cause: don't be deterred by K&S Atlanta if you're interested in K&S DC. You won't have to deal with them. (DC folks seem to have pretty good partnership prospects, too, judging by recent years.)

Questions for K&S ATL and NYC:

How many hours do you work (not just bill)?

Where is most of the attrition (3-5year associates? junior partners?)

Which practice areas in your office are considered "valuable" to the firm?

Thanks.

I can only confirm for Skadden, in which all offices receive full bonus after 1600 hours, but when I was looking at Weil and Simpson, I believe their policies were identical and I suspect most of the top NY firms are the same. You obviously work at Quinn, so please tell us the real deal, what is the minimum number of billable hours for a full bonus? When I interviewed back in 2004, I was told it by associates there that it was 2200, and I have heard since then that it has gone up.

Obviously the number of hours you will actually bill will tend to be higher than 1600 wherever you go, but if you happen to get sick (like out for a few weeks or even months), or there is a downturn in the market, or take paternity or maternity leave, whatever, it sure is nice to not have to every worry about getting paid a full market bonus.

and sorry for all the typos, but I'm trying to bill here...

I'm not going to give out my exact hours numbers, but my hours each year have been around 2150. Tack on about 50-90 nonbillable as well.

and 7:43: 2000 billable hours gets you NY market bonus in all our offices.

Baker & McKenzie pays crap bonuses in DC - you get 5% at 2100 hours and nothing before.

"Interesting work, reasonable (for Biglaw) hours, good people."

This also applies to K&S Houston.

Anyone have any advice for someone with a callback interview in Baker & McKenzie's New York office?

Look, let's say I'm a law student choosing between a firm that lays off large numbers of people in a downturn and one that does not. I should choose _____. Fill in the fucking blank. And I think law students should know that SHEARMAN, CADWALADER and MORGAN (and please fill in more names if you can) shitcan people not for subpar performance but because they don't have the work and shouldn't have hired them.

Is that so controversial?

If you are a law student choosing between two firms, choose whichever one you want because you are all the same replaceable cogs anyhow until you actually become worth a damn and add some value to the firm by: (1) billing your hours; and (2) producing quality work.

If you make it that far, then your hypo is moot because you will not be one of the victims anyhow.

So the moral is: unless you are a worthless lazy risk-averse fuck who wants a free ride, then you shouldn't be dwelling on the layoffs so much.

4:24 – Re: Quinn
You say they have been expanding rapidly. So, how have they been funding that expansion? Debt?

They are canceling callbacks b/c 1) partner’s are defecting; 2) firm financial issues; or 3) incompetent recruitment staff.

The “large sa class” is not an excuse. All that means is they don’t think they will have enough work (partner’s and/or clients leaving) or they are having a cash crunch. This is the same firm that just announced a $100K bonus (HH and atty payments) for patent laterals. See the post from June/July.

Has anyone heard anything? This is more problematic to predict b/c firm’s have a 2-year recruitment cycle.

10:53 - Amen. A young partner here calls me "Fungible Billing Unit" instead of my first name. I appreciate his candor, and I think it speaks to your comment: associates are cogs with no better or worse job security than anyone else. "But I went to law school, raised my hand all the time, spent $100K, and I'm really smart." Shut up and bill.

I'm interested in the answers to the question re K&S Atlanta that 7:39pm ("hose at OCI") posted as well.

Also, 7:37pm and others: Are associates from T14 schools treated differently than the associates coming from lower-ranked schools in the K&S ATL office?

Is there *anyone* on this board with anything nice to say about K&S? Any redeeming qualities whatsoever?

LAT LAw students need a thread about law firms that laid people off, delayed incoming associates start dates etc during 2001's economic downturns.

If this comes back to haunt them now, they might be more careful about it in the future. It is also useful information because I am a 3l who split and if one of the firms laid people off, I will go with the other.

7:35 - My mother likes telling her friends that I work at K&S. If I quit I think she will cry. That is the only reason I am still here.

Does no one in Baker & McKenzie's NY office read this site. What the hell.

people have such short memories. it wasn't just a few firms back in 2001 that laid off perfectly good, willing-to-work first and second year associates. a lot of times the first years were there for less than six months before the decision was made. just do a little research. and if you think you're so special that layoffs will not affect you, then good for you.

Re: Quinn's support staff.

I agree that Quinn's support staff seem miserable and underpaid. Go spend some time with their paralegals. I've never met a more neurotic bunch.

4:24 --
The former AUSAs probably had 50-100 trials, on average. Even if there are a few of them (which I hear is not the case among the partnership), it would drastically skew a winning percentage, because the prosecution wins 95+% of the cases it tries. No one "wins" civil cases at a rate of 90+%. If they include AUSA numbers, it is misleading, imo.

I can say something nice about K&S NYC - the managing partner who ruined the place left to go to another firm. When I was a summer, the firm ranked 2nd in the mid-level associate "happiness" survey. By the time I left, three years later, the firm had dropped to third-last. You could make a kick-ass law firm out of all the people who have left K&S NY over the past 5 years. They are basically starting from scratch again

The IP practice group at K&S NYC is flying, they keep expanding, bringing in partners, good work, etc.

7:39pm and 7:35am:

If you don't want to wear stockings, then wear pants. If you're going to wear a skirt, wear the accompanying stockings. I'm not suggesting that anyone's going to comment one way or the other (either to you or to anyone else), but you're going to an interview, and it's part of the overall impression that you make. I realize that the heat index today is approximately 2 billion degrees, but the office is in fact climate controlled (does that count as a perk?).

If you wind up summering or coming back as a first year, feel free to ditch the stockings immediately. Everyone else does. But I would suck it up for the interview.

The notion that everyone at K&S Atlanta is from the south, and attended a law school outside the T14, is ludicrous. K&S manages to get very smart people from t14 schools, not to mention schools like Vandy and Emory, which are just outside the T14. I don;t really know how they manage it, paying what they pay, but it's true. And the top of the class at UGA is pretty damn solid.

Of course, because the office is so large, there are a good number of Mercer students and GA State people. That doesn't mean they're not smart. It's not like DC schools don't hire from American and Howard.

In my experience no one here is treated differently because of where they went to school. The partners are plenty mature enough to evaluate people based on work quality, rather than pedigree. That said, the standards are exacting, and there is almost no remedial teaching here. If you are good you will get work; if you suck, the partners will sooner ignore you than try to bring you up to proficiency.

K&S has a lot of truly sophisticated work, and adjusted for cost of living, its equity partners probably make more money than any outside of Wachtell. $1.3mm is an absolute fortune here. Also, if you intend to stay in the south, having K&S on your resume is a benefit that is hard to overstate.

I agree with 1:58. K&S Atlanta is not the house of horrors that everyone makes it out to be. Yes, the ATL associates feel a bit underpaid (particularly given that they are subsidizing the NY office, which until this year was losing a shit ton of $$$), but that is a function of the ATL market.

K&S gets plently of people from T20 schools and has (and strictly abides by) grade cutoffs from Southern schools from which it recruits. At least on my team, the partners are fair, the associates are very sharp, and the work is challenging and plentiful.

Go to K&S if you want to be on the biggest deals in Atlanta. If you want to litigate, or if you don't care to be at the most prestigious transactional firm, go to a nicer firm (ie.. any other firm in Atlanta, except possibly Jones Day.)

Ah yes - K&S NY IP practice is flying high. K&S NY has basically become an IP/Lit boutique. They would be better off calling themselves what they are - Fish & Neave

What are the particularly strong groups at Baker Botts?

B&M sucks all over. Bonuses are nonexistant and partners make you feel really special as they hand you your $4000 "discretionary". They are amazing tightwads.

Totally agree with run. To answer about NY office - depends on the practice group. That office has had MAJOR problems over the last few years. Corp is not a major force in that office so avoid that group unless you want below average work. Tax may be different, but the tax group is the only reason anyone should ever consider going to B&M. Tax sustains the rest of the firm and operates as a separate firm within.

2:12 -- "nicer firm". WTF are you talking about. On the litigation side, the partners are K&S are perfectly "nice" and their work is more national and sophisticated than any other lit. firm in town, particularly in the tort, securities, and antitrust work. Say a lot of s**t about K&S, but statements that the lit. partners are not "nice" has no basis in fact. There are many other firms, big and small, in Atlanta that have far bigger personality issues.

I agree with 1:58. K&S Atlanta is not the house of horrors that everyone makes it out to be. Yes, the ATL associates feel a bit underpaid (particularly given that they are subsidizing the NY office, which until this year was losing a shit ton of $$$), but that is a function of the ATL market.

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Let's be clear here: K&S first years probably feel very well-compensated, and they are. Everyone else is getting positively screwed right now. And that may continue to 2008, as the firm has yet to decide what it's going to pay.

To pass this off as a function of the "market" ignores the fact that K&S is the largest and richest market participant. The "market" would be a lot different if K&S made an independent bid, which so far, it refuses to do.

K&S has enough prestige in its transactional work to compensate for the low morale, high turn over, business suits and poor partnership-chances.

Other Atlanta firms rival K&S in litigation prestige, so no reason to put up with K&S problems noted by other posters, is my point.

Didn't mean to suggest that lit partners at K&S are jerks- I've only had limited experience with them and they seem just fine.

MLB LA is a fantastic place to work. It's a relatively hidden gem among other LA firms.

MLB NY is as good as it gets (for BIGlaw)

5:15 -- OMG, K&S lawyers wear "business suits"!

You Atlanta lawyers are such turnips. You're right, better to deal with the sophisticated clients paying hundreds for an hour of your time wearing overalls.

I have heard different things about K&S and BB in DC.

I have heard great things about MLB DC. Probably the best DC of any firm in this range.

Not sure about the rest.

B&M sucks all over. Bonuses are nonexistant and partners make you feel really special as they hand you your $4000 "discretionary". They are amazing tightwads.

Posted by: run | August 23, 2007 03:31 PM

One poster said it was 5% in DC. I assume Chicago is the same. So, for a 4th year (making 210K), your bonus would be a whooping $10,500. Definitely NOT close to market. Wow.

4:24 (Quinn) - it may not be financial troubles, but it sure does sound like some funny business is going on at Quinn - I haven't heard of any firms cancelling call backs after offering one to a law student. Maybe its something in their recruiting department? But it sounds more serious than that.

7:00

I'm sure you're just being silly with the reference to overalls, but virtually every firm in the country is business casual. Not so with K&S.

7:34pm -

Confirming that Baker & McKenzie DC pays a 5% bonus at 2100 hours - 10% at 2200 - 15% at 2300 and 20% at 2400. They say that this scale is market.

MLB Northern California has great people and interesting work. MLB hired the nice ones from Brobeck when Brobeck went under.

I have interviews with MLB and B&M (both DC) coming up. Any thoughts on which to focus on? Bonus is not so much an issue at this point (most don't pay first year bonuses from what I understand). What about culture? Work?

MLB SF/PA is definitely great. If you're interested in corp. work though the SF practice group seems a bit small. Great people overall though.

anon summer -

what group are you interested in at Baker DC?

Both firms have told me I do not need to be certain of a group. Baker asked for a preference and I said corp or trade. Culture/work input would be useful.

MLB Philly is a hidden sweatshop. THEY actually call THEMSELVES the death star. come on, people!!!

Anybody out there have any knowledge about MLB's Princeton office?

Anybody out there have any knowledge about MLB's Princeton office?

In re: the cancelled call-back. Unless they're cancelling multiple call-backs, if it's just one candidate, maybe there was something wrong with that one person -- misleading resume, a bad reference, etc. -- that didn't turn up until after the on-campus interview.

There could be any number of things if it's just one person. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions yet.

Baker Botts should be ranked much higher.