1ST!

I used to think the mob was the most evil entity. Then I attended this God-forsaken scam known as Loyola Law School. Here, they charge you a fortune, and torture you for three years, based on promises of a rewarding career when you graduate. But there is no rewarding career, just $20/hour jobs at toilet firms which won't even pay your student loans.

After this experience, my view of the mob has changed. They might lie, cheat and steal, but at least they're honest about it. They don't disguise their scam in the cloak of higher education.

I have no idea how I'm going to endure another year at that awful awful place.

All that work. All those hornbooks. All those outlines. All that studying. All that stress. The 10 lbs of weight I gained. All that work for toilet jobs like the one below. They want top 30% too!

I hate this school so much. I hate the professors. I hate the location. I hate the administration. I hate the Deans. I hate Sonia's vomitorium. I'm freaking out at the thought of entering that hell hole once again. I feel like I'm going to hyperventilate when I pull into that parking lot.

Fuck you Loyola Law School. Fuck you to hell.

Employer Name:
Contact Name: Recruiting
Address: xxx W. Olympic Boulevard Suite xxx
City: Los Angeles, CA 90064
Telephone: 310-xxx
Facsimile: 310-xxx
E-Mail: xxx
Description: HOURS: Part-time. SALARY: $10-$20/hour, depending on experience. BAR ADMISSION: Not required. WILLING TO CONSIDER: Recent Grads Awaiting Results, New Admits. QUALIFICATIONS: Must have been in the top 30% of first year class, and be above 50% mark of class. JOB DESCRIPTION: Assisting in preparation of trials and discovery. FIRM PRACTICE: Labor/Employment and Entertainment. NOTES: Successful candidate will be able to take direction. Good, but not excellent writing skills required. Able to work with deadlines. HOW TO APPLY: Submit resume and cover letter via e-mail to xxx.
Date Entered: 08/03/07
Job ID: 414408

To Loyola 2L:

You could always supplement your income by working at the Diamond Cabaret. I hear you can make valuable connections with federal court judges there. Hope you look good in a thong.

I wouldn't blame a Loyola grad who turned to stipping. Something happens to your soul when you get ripped off on a Loyola scale. It's very demoralizing.

Loyola, would you consider being one of my stable bitches? I will go to $33 @ hour.

L2L - Why even start your third year? You can make more than $20/hour without a law degree, and you'll have only 2/3 the debt!

If you don't want to be a lawyer, don't finish law school. Find a different job, do it, and pay back your loans that way.

If Stanford Law grads can work as escorts, Loyola grads can work as strippers:

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2006/09/the_stanford_law_escort_and_sh.php

Thanks Lat.

"You're not gonna believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator."

- Me

"Why even start your third year?" I've debated this, but I think it looks really bad on your resume.

That's the problem with the tier 2 law school scam, you don't realize how bad your job prospects are until the middle of your second year. Until then, they drown you in false promises and deceptive statements. By the time you realize you've been ripped off, it's sort of too late.

Loyola 2L, I really think your future is in organized crime. Drop out of school immediately and get a strip club to launder money with. When you end up in federal prison, there is the prospect of prisoner litigation to keep you busy. Has anybody stolen your dogs lately?

That's disrespecting the Bing.

L2L:

Does Loyola not post information on average starting salary and percentage of graduates who find a job within a year? I'm guessing they did, like every other school. So at what point did they lie to you and say that, historical statistics notwithstanding, you were definitely not one of the people who would have trouble finding a pleasant job? Where's the promise? There is none where anyone able to read could figure out that there was no guarantee of a six-figure job, or even a $40K one. You become less sympathetic by the day. And if you couldn't cut it well enough at law school, I'm sure the mob would eat you alive. Good luck with that.

"So at what point did they lie to you . . ."

I don't want to get into all this again, but they definitely do not warn students of the poor career prospects awaiting them, and go to great lengths to create the false perception that the average Loyola student makes a good living.

Who would come here if they knew how bad it really was?

Who would come there? Someone who thinks they won't be one of the unlucky ones. Did you not see the statistics? If not, you clearly did not do very good dilligence before making a major investment. If you did, and believed the school anyway, shame on them for lying to you, but shame on you for believing them. I went to a T2 school on the hope that I would land a good job, not on an assumption that I would.

L2L is progressing. He's still whining, but now its more angry than boohoo, poor me. I kind of enjoyed the angry Loyola rant.

Also love that job post. "Good, but not excellent writing skills required." Way to aim high. "Honestly we'd take average, maybe even sub-par writing skills, but we just won't settle for down right illiterate."

Holy mother of God, quit your b!tching already . Have you not figured out that regardless of where you study law (as long as its ABA) all you need to secure a great job is to graduate at the top of your class? Top 10%, from some podunk school, maybe even give some time to Law Review or something constructive. I've seen your type before, waist all of your time and energy crying and complaining (and trolling on law blogs) and blaming everyone but yourself, instead of doing the damn work.
If you are a woman, I bet you're not a looker, because if you were, you'd have some semblance of self respect and dignity.

" . . . waist all of your time"
rofl

2:59, How do you confuse waste with waist?

2:59, do not bother applying for the job posted in 1:57. Your writing skills are not excellent, and not even good.

In fairness to L2L, career statistics are actually hard to come by on Loyola's web site. I found nothing just browsing. Then using the seach function I came up with this: http://www.lls.edu/career/stats.html

Of course, these numbers tell you almost nothing because they don't give you what percent of the class ends up in various salary range/job types.

I'm curious if anyone has good employment statistics for the school. They seem at least relatively hard to come by.

Does anyone know how the Stanford law Escort got $300,000 in debt for her JD/MBA program? And why isn't she known as "the Stanford MBA Escort"? Being an escort follows much more logically with an MBA program than with being a lawyer.

Is tier two anything out of the top 100?

Had a good left-work-early-by-myself-at-home-a-bit-drunk-on-the-internet laugh at the three immediate comments to 2:59. The worst part was that when I saw him mess up the homonym in the middle of a pretentious post, I didn't even get to the end before I looked to see if anyone tagged him for it.

Had a good left-work-early-by-myself-at-home-a-bit-drunk-on-the-internet laugh at the three immediate comments to 2:59. The worst part was that when I saw him mess up the homonym in the middle of a pretentious post, I didn't even get to the end before I looked to see if anyone tagged him for it.

"Have you not figured out that regardless of where you study law (as long as its ABA) all you need to secure a great job is to graduate at the top of your class?"

This line was overlooked. 2:59 is probably Loyola 2L.

One of the many negative aspects of my tier 2 life, is getting yelled at by the people who hire plaintiff's law firms. 2:59 reminds me of a discussion I had with someone who called our firm last week.

He wanted to sue a large electronics manufacturer because his rechargeable battery lasted 10 hours instead of the advertised 16. "I’m gonna own that company" he boasts in a fit of self affirming bravado. I can tell he's trying to put on faux anger, I guess to sell his case. As I'm interviewing him, I learn that like most of our clientele, he's unemployed. I finish the interview and he asks "how long are you going to take to get back to me?" Knowing that even my greedy shake down artist of a boss wouldn’t touch this one, I tell him no more than a week. He snaps back, "A week? How is your firm going to win my case if you need a week to answer a simple question?”

*sigh* This is my life. Getting insulted by barely literate trash like 2:59 and the scoundrels who hire plaintiff's lawyers.

My life truly sucks. Why why why did I ever go to Loyola Law School?

I know why you went.

1. Thought you were going to end up on LA Law

2. You thought getting into law school (any law school) = being smart

Neither of them happened. I am guessing you got some crappy undergrad degree that keeps you from really doing anything. Anyone hiring poly sci grads?

Loyola:

If you spent as much time as you do on this board learning your trade, you will eventually make a decent living (if you are in fact real).

You want to blame your lawschool on your woes, but you should have done some research before attending. Look around Loyola LA: half your class are spoiled lazy LA kids whose parents are paying for everything. You didn't get into USC. Sorry bud.

Judge Nottingham violated the Anti Injunction Act. He used force and intimidation to deter and delay our presentment in court. The same weekend he can't remember spending $3,000 at the strip club, he ordered:
“You will file on your behalf a motion to voluntarily dismiss (p. 32)…If you fail to withdraw those lawsuits, the next time you’re in this court you better be prepared with your toothbrush, because you will be going to jail. (p.33.)” Judge Edward W. Nottingham, 9/2/05 closed case CO 02-cv-1950. after the defense requested:
“The first case is the …D of Minnesota case filed by Mr. and Mrs. Sieverding against the newspaper defendants and my law firm, Feagre & Benson. (p. 6.)….we seek an order requiring the plaintiffs, Mr. and Mrs. Sieverding, to show cause why they should not be held in contempt (p. 11.)…they do not have the right to counsel. They do not have the right to a jury trial. They do not have the right to a full and complete evidentiary hearing. (p. 14.)…nothing short of incarceration will make them stop, and that’s an appropriate” (p. 18.) Christopher P. Beall representing WorldWest LLP 9/2/05 closed case CO 02-cv-1950

Judge Edward Nottingham approved ex parte conferences in a case he supervised. Such as
2/12/03,:“Review new letter from Sieverding to Tremaine regarding Jane Bennett and many city defendants. Telephone call to Dave Brougham—discussed pleadings from Wisconsin court and Sieverding letter. Conference call to Magistrate Schlatter. Further discussion with Brougham on notice letter to Sieverding (Bill by Anthony Lettunich)
This is a bill for a three way long distance secret ex parte conference between a former federal magistrate, a part time city attorney, and a defense counsel representing Lloyds of London.

Implementation of the Judicial Conduct and Disability Act of 1980, Sept 2006,
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/publicinfo/breyercommitteereport.pdf
says there is a mandatory duty to investigate all reports of secret ex parte conference. Judge Nottingham approved 25 defense itemizations for secret ex parte conferences. Two defendants, including the ABA counsel Patricia Jean Larson, wrote to Judge Nottingham and asked him to stay summary judgment hearings and suggested that he have his clerks call them at their private numbers for further discussion. The U.S.C. defines judicial officers as including clerks. If you want to see defense itemizations for prohibited ex parte conferences you can download them on Pacer from D of Colorado 02-1950 docket 1006
Kay Sieverding

L2L:

If it makes you feel better, you somewhat inspired me. I dropped out after my first semester. I was top 1/3 at a tier two.., but I was too worried about all the debt and getting trapped under it. I now owe 22K in student loans which isnt too bad considering that is my only debt, but I leased a car while I was in school and I can't afford it back home in boston, so in a way that is more debt. I am going to have to live at home for a year to get the car paid off. Unfortunately for me its a 2 hour commute on an old freezing train to Boston. Thats 4 hours of my day spent just commuting. I did it before to save some money before law school. All that money is gone now. It was such a dumb move going to law school. I wish to god I just stayed living in Boston, with no debt and just got a job in Business. I feel like I have wasted so much of my 20s on saving for some stupid profession. I never wanted to be super rich, but I also never thought I would have to sit in law school and worry about starving once I got out. I went to law school because I really wanted to practice law, and I thought going to the best school in the region would be enough, but its not. Grads from my school are bankrupt too. I knew i would never make it through 3 gruling years and the bar...worrying that I would get trapped in a 40K job, with no benefits and 100K in debt, so I just left. Maybe one day I will go back - probably not though. Oh well, so is life I guess.

L2L:

If it makes you feel better, you somewhat inspired me. I dropped out after my first semester. I was top 1/3 at a tier two.., but I was too worried about all the debt and getting trapped under it. I now owe 22K in student loans which isnt too bad considering that is my only debt, but I leased a car while I was in school and I can't afford it back home in boston, so in a way that is more debt. I am going to have to live at home for a year to get the car paid off. Unfortunately for me its a 2 hour commute on an old freezing train to Boston. Thats 4 hours of my day spent just commuting. I did it before to save some money before law school. All that money is gone now. It was such a dumb move going to law school. I wish to god I just stayed living in Boston, with no debt and just got a job in Business. I feel like I have wasted so much of my 20s on saving for some stupid profession. I never wanted to be super rich, but I also never thought I would have to sit in law school and worry about starving once I got out. I went to law school because I really wanted to practice law, and I thought going to the best school in the region would be enough, but its not. Grads from my school are bankrupt too. I knew i would never make it through 3 gruling years and the bar...worrying that I would get trapped in a 40K job, with no benefits and 100K in debt, so I just left. Maybe one day I will go back - probably not though. Oh well, so is life I guess.

L2L:

If it makes you feel better, you somewhat inspired me. I dropped out after my first semester. I was top 1/3 at a tier two.., but I was too worried about all the debt and getting trapped under it. I now owe 22K in student loans which isnt too bad considering that is my only debt, but I leased a car while I was in school and I can't afford it back home in boston, so in a way that is more debt. I am going to have to live at home for a year to get the car paid off. Unfortunately for me its a 2 hour commute on an old freezing train to Boston. Thats 4 hours of my day spent just commuting. I did it before to save some money before law school. All that money is gone now. It was such a dumb move going to law school. I wish to god I just stayed living in Boston, with no debt and just got a job in Business. I feel like I have wasted so much of my 20s on saving for some stupid profession. I never wanted to be super rich, but I also never thought I would have to sit in law school and worry about starving once I got out. I went to law school because I really wanted to practice law, and I thought going to the best school in the region would be enough, but its not. Grads from my school are bankrupt too. I knew i would never make it through 3 gruling years and the bar...worrying that I would get trapped in a 40K job, with no benefits and 100K in debt, so I just left. Maybe one day I will go back - probably not though. Oh well, so is life I guess.