Why is it that when they bite us, it's cute; but when we bite them it's sexual harassment?

-- ET!

Summer of '07 but she got her offer "last year?" Is she a time-traveling vampire?

Confused - she got her offer last year but was a summer this year? Was she a 1L summer last year, pre-clerk this year, or what?

That said, I think the email is about as well as you can handle doing something like this.

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I like the fact that this email was sent to all summers. Apparently the biter is not gender-selective.

Damn, I wish I was at CC.

Truly a case where the "tipster" is a douche. This may turn an offer into a no-offer. Another reminder to never memorialize dumb stuff like this in an email.

I don't think a firm would yank an offer based on hearsay on a gossip blog.

2:52, why is the tipster a douche? Do you commonly practice inappropriate behavior at events?

300, b/c 252 is vampire girl!

Tipster is a douche for forwarding an internal email sent only to Summers to a gossip blog that makes public Vampire Girl's stupid behavior.

OP is right. male SA would be gone the next day let alone having an offer.

305, I mean, vampire girl, simmer down. Maybe you shouldn't have written that email, or better yet, not gotten so completely retarded and bit people at a summer event. (sucking is fine, but biting is just plain unsophisticated).

Without Tipster, we would not have the entertainment or salary information this blog provides.

Chill, 2:52, nobody is losing an offer over a dumb story on a gossip blog. I doubt anyone in a position of authority reads this site. It seems to be mostly law students/summers.

Hi, Vampire Girl!

310, I agree that someone would more than likely NOT lose an offer due to this site (unless the poster/tipster let something slip). But, I can assure you that people in positions of "authority" do read this site. I know the legal recruiting director/assistants at a top 10 Manahattan firm read this to make sure their summers/associates are keeping their firm's name out of the shit.

3:05: how sure are you that your "summers" email group only has summer associates in it? Many of my firm's email groups include administrators, HR people, etc., including the "associates" list.

Actually, legal personnel at many law firms read this blog for mentions of their own firm.

Dude, Clifford Chance sounds like the place to be.

Does anyone know whether the tipster for the X-Summer story about the fired O'Melveny SA got in trouble with the firm for basically leading ATL readers to her blog that talked about reading Harry Potter books at work, etc.? I would think that firms would frown upon someone keeping a blog with confidential information about SA retention issues, particularly when the person then turns the information over to ATL.

Call me!

I can't believe she wasn't fired.

ET--

I concur. When a female gets pilloried for doing something like this, THEN I will believe we have gender equality in the workplace.

I call bullshit. If true this would have immediately been leaked and been dealt with, over and above the story about a partner being stopped from taking a summer home.

I never get why summers think they need e-mail signatures that identify themselves as summers. It's not like firms let summers send e-mails to clients or opposing counsel. And, duh, we know you, as a summer, aren't admitted to the bar.

Buffy Wears Prada

Alcohol + vampire tendencies + birthday celebration on firm tab = MUZZLE.

Interesting point, 4:03. I assumed it was a CC policy/requirement when I originally read the post, because it seemed like an unnecessary disclaimer otherwise.

I sent many emails to clients and opposing counsel when I was a summer. We were circulating drafts of various agreements and other things in the late stages of a deal. This seemed fairly common at my V10.

This is outrageous - there is absolutely no way in hell a male summer would escape discipline / firing / no offer for this behavior. There is a sexist double standard that this woman benefitted from, and Clifford Chance should be ashamed. Of course there are double standards that penalize women - I'm well aware of this - but that does not justify allowing this woman to get away with this behavior. Clifford Chance is a joke.

When I was a summer associate, I sent a lot of e-mails like this. Man, I bit a ton of people that summer.

Biting women at parties! Damn, why am I at a patent boutique?

What's wrong with biting people?

Well done 4:21.

this story bites

3:33 - that's a classic. nice work

Gallion OUT!

3:15 - or paralegals. Sometimes this is the only way we get the inside scoop on what's really going on ;)

Vampire Girls with Asian Guys.

If she had been able to suck the souls out would they have made her a partner immediately?

Gallion:

You could come off as an entirely normal commenter instead of a absolute tool if you'd just leave off the "Gallion OUT!" junk at the end of your posts.

At the risk of stating that obvious, if that was NOT the same summer as in the other story, that's one hell of a summer class Clfford Chance managed to put together.

Why would CC fire her? From most of the comments, it looks like this is great publicity for its summer program.

It really wasn't nearly as big a deal as some of you are making it out to be. Her drunken kissing might just have included a little more tooth action than expected. Don't worry about her offer.

i don't think that vampire girl will make a good attorney. you see, to be a good attorney you need to be a raging alcoholic. and while vampire girl may appear to be an alcoholic--at least on first blush--in fact, she is far from it.

the first rule of being an alcoholic is denial. thus, if you get blacked out drunk (and who among us isn't planning on getting that way at least twice this week) you deny that it ever happened. you may wonder to yourself, "What happened during those four hours last night that i can't remember? did i bite somebody? what's this four inch gash on my leg from? why are there track marks on my forearms" The answer to all of these questions is always "who cares, it didn't happen. let's go get a drink." by acknowledging that she was out of control drunk in the first place, she broke the first rule of being an alcoholic, and therefore of being a successful attorney.

note that a good lawyer uses this trait in all alspects of his life (e.g, marriage--deny, deny, deny; discovery--no that document doesn't exist; past secretaries--there' no way that's my kid . . . i used the rythm method)

7:51 - best comment in ages, partly because it is funny, mostly because it is so right on the effing mark.

Gallion OUT!

Wow this makes me feel even better- I'm on the no-offer list and I didn't do anything like this- no bad reviews, but I skipped a good number of social events and didn't do much schmoozing... looks like I should have jumped in the Hudson...

10:29 -- What firm?

7:51: Agreed: "If I don't remember it, it didn't happen."

double standard?! (gasp!) shocking!

what kind of shit for brains summer gets blacked out drunk at a firm event, runs around biting people and sends out some tounge in cheek apology?

a Clifford Summer, it seems.

you might not be rabid sweety, but who knows what you've wrapped your lips around when your oral fixations siezed you during a black-out? herpes much?

Also, Clifford Chance is a snob factory that would never recruit from the riff-raff (the bottom 95% of the law schools). So odds are this toothesome little minx went top 10. So she's smart enough to get in but doesn't have a clue. Kudos to you CC, I'm sure she'll do fine at client dinners.

btw No-offered 2L, if you don't go to firm events, you don't deserve an offer. No-shows to most of the firm events send all kind of messages, and they're not good.

So from now on go, observe the two drink maximum, relax, hang-out with your colleagues for 90mins, chat and then bail. World of Warcraft will still be there when you get back...

Me-ow. She can work for me anytime, as long as she's not in favor of the free coinage of silver.

To those of you who responded with variations of the "double standard" or "reverse sexism" argument, I disagree. The reason that this behavior on the part of a male might (and this is mere speculation, we have no example to back this up) be taken more seriously is because men commit the vast majority of sexual assaults and because there is a real power differential, both physical and social, between the sexes. Just look at the number of male commentors who responded with some variation of "She can bite me anytime, heh, heh." If this post were about a male associate, I would venture to guess that most women would respond with fear and loathing, rather than titillation. Behavior that might be cute (although personally I think it's moronic and inappropriate) in a 115 pound woman might be scary in a 180 pound guy. Guys, just imagine if another, larger guy started biting you at a summer event. If you don't like the "double standard," maybe you should try to minimize it by discouraging other men from acting in predatory ways.

Attractive Nuisance, your comment is based on assumptions that hurt women more than helping them. If I were on a Biglaw hiring committee, my primary concern would be what this SA's behavior says about her ability to interact with clients, potential clients, and co-workers in a professional manner. Gender should not be a factor in deciding how to handle moronic and inappropriate behavior and I would hope that my firm never makes personnel decisions based on the assumption that I'm a helpless female who needs to be protected and that the male associates are all closet pervs.

How do you know that all of the people who posted comments like "she can bite me anytime" were men? Some female attorneys actually have a sense of humor, after all. Similarly, you can't believe based on a few comments from the peanut gallery that all male associates would appreciate the kinky behavior of a female co-worker. I can think of several fairly conservative or geeky married male associates at my firm who would probably be traumatized by such an event -- maybe not in the sense of being physically threatened, but thinking what will my wife say when she hears about this, what will the partners think, etc.?

Hey A-Nu! (remember me? :P)

I am definitely on board with the power differential between the sexes, and I agree with this part of what you said: "Behavior that might be cute (although personally I think it's moronic and inappropriate) in a 115 pound woman might be scary in a 180 pound guy. Guys, just imagine if another, larger guy started biting you at a summer event. If you don't like the "double standard," maybe you should try to minimize it by discouraging other men from acting in predatory ways."

My first instinct was to write something like, "Heh, she can bite me any time" jokingly too, but honestly, that's not quite true. If a drunk female colleague came up to me and started aggressively kissing (and biting?) me, I would feel dirty and violated. Even if she was hot. Even if I was into her. Even if she was weaker than me and I was physically in control of the situation. It wouldn't be the right time or place, and it wouldn't be with my consent. Now, if I didn't find her to be attractive and/or if I wasn't physically in control of the situation, it would be ten times worse. Depending on how protracted it was, I might feel it was sexual assault.

Although a guy might be more likely to be physically in control, I agree with 1:43 that not all male associates would appreciate the kinky behavior of a female coworker. Most gay male associates would not; many straight men in a serious relationship would also be bothered/offended or worse (particularly if they were conservative/religious.) At some level, they could still feel it was a "violation" even if they were physically able to stop it sooner. And I definitely think that's something a firm should take VERY seriously.

Even if you can argue it's "worse" when a male associate behaves like this to female associates for power differential reasons, I think the behavior is outrageous enough from both men and women that either sex should be immediately terminated. And so I do see this as evidence of a partial double standard.

(For anyone else reading this: I'm female, if you're wondering.)

Who cares if it's scarier if a man does it or if it's sexual harrassment if someone in power does it. If an SA of either gender does this kind of sh!t it shows crazy drunkard behavior. Fire them. They're rehab waiting to happen. A female doing this may be more cute or less physically intimidating. It still has crazy written all over it. Fire the b!tch.

i heard vampire girl came from a morningside heights location?