They don't even offer cool courses here.

Tell me where the bomb is!

FIRST

1:05, should't that be:

TELL ME WHERE THE BOMB IS!

Gtown just jumped the shark. Now we can finally stop talking about "top 14" law schools.

What a fucking joke- I am sure most big law firms are interested in you knowledge of legal issues arising out of counter-terrorism- what a bucnh of fucking disconnected academics! Gtown to 85 on US News.

That sounds like a catchier title for a similar course I took at GULC: "Strategic Intelligence and Public Policy Seminar"

Although my course was taught by a CIA lawyer and is still offered: http://www.law.georgetown.edu/curriculum/tab_courses.cfm?Status=Course&Detail=422

Oh come on 1:18, GW can't be that bad.

Don't hate just because G'town offers more courses than any other law school in the country. This course may actually have some practical application to those seeking careers in intelligence or national security law.

This is more evidence of why I feel my education at a lower tiered school has prepared me for the practice of law much more than my fellow colleagues from top tier schools who too classes like this one and other bs that is completely irrelevant to developing skills or knowledge that one needs for the practice of law. No wonder first years at biglaw are treated like morons by more senior associates and partners!!!

My vote for best law school course is Blood Feuds - http://cgi2.www.law.umich.edu/_classschedule/aboutcourse.asp?crse_id=030026

It's an LLM class. Just more proof that a degree from the top 25 is a waste and that other students from #25-60 schools who work hard instead of watching Jack Bauer are more deserving, in employment, clerkships, and the like.

agree with 1:41 and 1:50 - yes, top schools are filled with very smart people (w/ the occasion prick who got in because of daddy's money) but they don't prepare you for the real world!

horatio - wow. did you take the class?

horatio - wow. did you take the class?

and 139 - it is quality not quantity

If you dufuses read the course description instead of stopping at the title of the course, you'd see that the course is basically an anti-terrorism law course, which is very practical in today's legal climate. Further, since DC houses the USAG, CIA, FBI, DIA (defense intelligence agency), and most of the intelligence agencies, it kind of makes sense that the premier school in the area would have courses related to intelligence law.

Hey 1:50 PM

As much of a waste as taking out $100k in loans to be unemployed?

Oh, SNAP!

MLaw has a course on Icelandic Bloodfeuds.

"it is quality not quantity"

True, but G'town has both.

Only a law student worried that his degree from a lower tier law school is going to be worthless would argue that Yale, G-town, etc fail to provide an exemplary legal education.

Self-loathing is a stinky cologne.

This sounds like the Poetry of Rock course that was offered at my high school.

No wat T14 schools provide a "better" education. C'mon, law is a standardized filed. The elements of breach of contract, unlawful search & Seizure or ntitrust are the same whether they are taught at Harvard or at Ave Maria.

Don;t kid yourself-

L2L, perhaps you are right. After all, I took a course called "Distributive Justice" and liked it a lot. Then again, I also took Evidence with the Second Circuit Judge who wrote the Federal Rules, Administrative Law with a former General Counsel of the EPA, and
Trial Practice with a team of state judges and federal prosecutors. Too bad none of those classes "prepared me for the practice of law."

Epic fail. Why not do a class on the law of "Survivor" as well? Please.

Various ladies have been known to study my penis as if it were the topic of a seminar.

"Various ladies have been known to study my penis as if it were the topic of a seminar."

Is that after you offer to pay them an extra $500 not to use a condom?

2:04: any self-aware Yale or G'town grad would argue that those schools fail to provide an exemplary LEGAL education. No doubt that the students are smart, but they don't know jack about law. I have a colleague who is a HLS grad who took nothing after first year that was not some kind of Con Law course. Good for cocktail party conversation, not much else.

And I agree with horatio. Blood Feuds has to be the best law school course EVER.

What about Space Law at Gtown?

Yes, I did take Blood Feuds, and it was awesome.

If we read between the lines, here's what 2:29 is really saying:

"I'm very bitter that I didn't get into a school that employers take seriously. All my friends at higher ranked schools are in the middle of OCI season right now and I'm sitting at home eating cheetos hoping to get a screening interview through a job fair."

2:29, Lat's references to Bankruptcy, Tax, Antitrust, etc., suggest that HYS "provide" an exemplary legal education, they just don't "require" one. Can people skate by, like your HLS friend apparently did? Sure ... but most people don't.

If youre a minority g'town will let you in on the basis of a rap audition.

2:04 - You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a law professor. And I'm on our hiring committee and love eating jerks like you for lunch at the Meat Market (law school hiring conference), where is surely where you'll end up after your firm starts laying off associates.

And another thing.

As we all know, big law firms care about one thing -- money. And the ranks of partners at such firms are filled with highly demanding attorneys who would never cut an associate slack based on where they went to school.

Why, if the top law schools are so terrible at preparing people to be great lawyers, do the worlds biggest and most profit driven legal businesses insist on stuffing their associate rosters almost exclusively with people who "don't know jack about law"?

Why, if the top law schools are so terrible at preparing people to be great lawyers, do the worlds biggest and most profit driven legal businesses insist on stuffing their associate rosters almost exclusively with people who "don't know jack about law"?

beacuse "law" as they call it in that environment is really paper shuffling by business people. You don;t need a law degree to complete the sale of a company all you need are paper formatting skills and a good form bank.

"Why, if the top law schools are so terrible at preparing people to be great lawyers, do the worlds biggest and most profit driven legal businesses insist on stuffing their associate rosters almost exclusively with people who "don't know jack about law"?"

Because we're horribly insecure ourselves and want to validate our own degrees. If my partners didn't care so much about validating their Ivy League degrees, we'd take a Brooklyn grad over a Harvard grad any day. The Brooklyn grad appreciates the job. The Harvard grad thinks that $160K is not enough money.

I'm the one who took the similar course at GULC (taught by the CIA lawyer).

Most of you are failing to understand what this is really about. Note that this is a night class and only accepts 8 students. The class I took was also a night class and allowed about 20 students. Most, if not all, of the students worked full time and most often in the intelligence/military field.

While there are the occasional students who take these classes as a mere passing interest, I'd say most of the ones who take it will actually use it. You are forgetting that GULC is located in DC, or at least failing to appreciate the consequences of that.

The class discussions were mind-boggling. The prof would discuss some pending legislation or investigations and students would comment on the congressional hearings they had attended on it.

The title is a joke, but the course most certainly is not.

Hahahaha.

Your mother's basement. "Where is surely where" you'll be living after you graduate from law school.

"If youre a minority g'town will let you in on the basis of a rap audition."

Wow, that's might white of you. Sounds like someone's a little bitter because his girl dumped him for a taste of the chocolate.

Wow, that's might white of you. Sounds like someone's a little bitter because his girl dumped him for a taste of the chocolate.

Minoroties includes people other than black...

It's not law:

If that were really true, then why wouldn't big firms, which again, are entirely profit driven, hire the swarms of middle tier lawyers to do this non-legal work at a fraction of the cost?

Big firm partner:

You're saying that firms choose, and clients accept work done by, inferior attorneys to "validate" Harvard degrees? What does that even mean? Are you being sarcastic?

Posters here aren't just arguing that you can get a great education at non top tier schools. They're arguing that top tier educations are significantly worse than lower tier schools.

bloodfeuds looks like it would suck ass

"Minor[i]ties includes people other than black..."

True, but the comment to which I was responding referenced a rap audition. It's clear that the comment was directed at black applicants and not Asians. Otherwise, he/she would have included some anti-Asian slander to make the point.

OK, hell has just frozen over. WSJ just picked up this story. I think I hear Rod Serling

True, but the comment to which I was responding referenced a rap audition. It's clear that the comment was directed at black applicants and not Asians. Otherwise, he/she would have included some anti-Asian slander to make the point.

Are you saying Asians cant rap? Ever heard of the Wu Tang Clan? Racisist bastard.

"Are you saying Asians cant rap? Ever heard of the Wu Tang Clan? Racisist bastard."

Dude, you're going to get me fired for laughing out loud. Come to think of it, RZA did the soundtrack for Kill Bill which relied heavily on Kung Fu. Perhaps he was getting in touch with his inner Asian.

Dude, you're going to get me fired for laughing out loud. Come to think of it, RZA did the soundtrack for Kill Bill which relied heavily on Kung Fu. Perhaps he was getting in touch with his inner Asian.

An excellent point Mr. Goodbar-

Hell, only the real world prepares you for the real world (and maybe not). Good law schools are filled with good students. The best thing I found about law school, I was amazed at my fellow students. I couldn't believe that they let me in there (neither could anyone else).

I think Willie Gary was probably pretty amazing in law school too - even though he went to lower tier. Not everyone gets to pee in golden toilets on their two jets - Wings of Justice indeed.

4:32 is exactly right. Law school is not about teaching black letter law, nor should it be. Anyone with a couple grand and a Barbri subscription can learn that. Lawschool is about learning to read, write, and argue critically and doing so while surrounded by other talented students. Teaching black letter law would be useless to most people who go on to work for big law. The reason clients pay biglaw rates is that, for the most part, the answers to their legal questions cannot be found in any text book.

What's interesting, though, is that people are looking down at one of the electives at GULC which actually does attempt to prepare people for the real world. As has been noted, the school has a pretty high number of active / former military and people who go on to work in defense / intelligence fields.

LAT - You should do a running series on interesting classes. I nominate Bloodfeuds (as others have noted) at Michigan. It was a great class. I never thought I would learn about Icelandic bloodfeuds in law school. The best part is the professor authors the text used and every spring he signs one of his books in blood and auctions it off at the Michigan Law Student Fellowship Auction.

I took a Law and Terrorism class at Gtown with Prof Katyal (who argued Hamdam). It was a mix of legislation, evidence, crim law procedure and crim law, and well as con law. Very interesting and challenging with a great prof and wonderful students (ex military, etc., making the discussion even more interesting). Nothing wrong with offering classes like this one in addition to Tax, Wills - provides for a rounder education. Plus, in DC, where people are working on the Hill, DOD or a think tank dedicated to national security issues or will be going to those places, the course makes perfect sense.

I have to second GULC grad at 6:34. When I was at Georgetown I took an interesting class taught by David Cole called National Security and Civil Liberties. While the class was part historical, much time was spent discussing the law as applied to the War on Terrorism. A very timely class, if ever. Furthermore, not only did we have a great professor, we also had regular appearances by guest speakers such as Jeff Rosen, Paul Clement, and Jamie Gorelick.

After core requirement courses have been taken, law school students should take classes that interest them. They shouldn't worry about the bar exam. Anything they need to know for that will be taught to them in their bar review course. The last two years of law school are almost all electives. No reason why you shouldn't enjoy what you're studying.

Best thing not already said:

Since this "badass" professor is an adjunct, he (like CJ Roberts or John Podesta) will actually push GULC down in the US News rankings, keeping it below supposedly better schools (with lower LSATs and other stats) like Duke, Northwestern and Cornell.

GULC's adjuncts are better than most schools' full-timers.

"Tell me where the bomb is!" --anonymous

The snuke? It's in Ms. Clinton's snizz.

I just started watching the first season.

Where are my wife and daughter?

WHERE'S MY FAMILY