Clerkship Hiring: Today's the Day
It's September, which means that it's clerkship application season. According to the law clerk hiring plan -- which some judges follow, and some judges don't -- today's the first day federal judges can call to set up clerkship interviews with current law students.
You can find out where various courts and judges are in the hiring process over at the Clerkship Notification Blog. But they may be having some issues, according to one tipster:
[T]he Clerkship Notification Blog appears to have no posts on it today at all. People on XOXO are saying that the clerkship blog started moderating comments just yesterday, meaning that no comment shows up until the blog owners approve it first. See here and here.Kind of defeats the whole point of getting information out there quickly, doesn't it? What the hell are they thinking over there?
Update: As noted by a commenter, it seems the situation is now resolved.
Also, check out this interesting post at The Yin Blog. Then take our poll:
Comment issues resolved [Clerkship Notification Blog]
Clerkship interviews and women's attire [The Yin Blog]
Judges Behaving Badly: The Clerkship Edition [WSJ Law Blog]

firstasaurus
Pantsuits are not attractive, so why would you want to wear one in the first place?
blog situation resolved?
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=685172&mc=1&forum_id=2
A woman with a nice ass, wearing a thong, looks great in a pantsuit! more please..
Personally I think skirt suits make the wearer look servile. Pant suits are the way to go.
1:43 - they're only unattractive if they cinch your fat. Go on a diet and try again.
I am waiting to hear from that fat ass Nevada Judge Halverston.
"Rambo has called."
it would be sweet to clerk for Judge Rambo, especially if the judge "sanctions" parties w/ explosive-tipped arrows.
My law school told all women to wear skirt suits on all interviews. I don't see why it should matter, but apparently it does to some.
Pantsuits are fine. I wore pantsuits on my interviews and it didn't seem to have a negative impact on getting offers or a clerkship on the COA.
I think that skirt suits are more sexy/provocative than pant suits. If I want to be taken seriously I wear the pants over the skirt every time.
2:58 - how does your ass look in the pantsuit? could that be the reason you got the positions?
2:59 - You wore pants over the skirt? That must be very attractive. Any problems with bunching ?
My law school said the same of all interviews. Always wear skirts. Apparently, biglaw complains yearly to our Career Services Office about some female wearing pants. I didn't think it was that big of a deal but in my second year litigation class an ADA told us that it was expected that if she was trying a case in court she was expected to be in a skirt. She also said that the only time she would dare wear pants to court was if she was arguing a motion in front of a female judge. Otherwise, it was always pants. Apparently, you can't win a jury case in Georgia if you are a woman in pants. Sigh.
you dont wear pantsuits to fed court for a jury so why would you wear one to an interview
If a man has wear a suit and tie for an interview, a woman should have to wear a skirt. It's not about what's acceptable; it's about what's more formal. Obnoxious? Sure.
3:25, if you only want to be as formal as possible then why should men not wear a coat and tails and a bowtie? Or a top hat and perhaps a monocle? And an ivory cane while we're at it. No legitimate interviewer cares about skirt vs pants; the interviewee need only look professional. Outside of the whitest of white shoe firms in New York, and maybe the deep south, there is no reason to wear a skirt to an interview.
I once worked for a judge who discouraged pants in favor of skirts (although this wasn't strictly mandatory). After that experience, I decided I'm wearing whatever the hell I want to an interview, because if a judge is so stodgy he cares if I'm wearing pants I wouldn't like working for him anyway.
Would any woman want to clerk for a judge who thinks it's inappropriate for a woman to wear pants to an interview??
3:35--because a coat and tails, or a tophat, have never been daytime business wear. Those are items of formal evening wear.
Formal daytime business wear for a man is, and always has been, a suit and tie (with the fashion of the suit varying), and, for women, a skirt suit.
If your skirt suit is "sexy" and "provocative", I would suggest you exercise a bit of restraint at the tailor's next time.
Incidentally, that last was directed at 2:59.
3:41 - Just because something used to be a certain way doesn't mean it should always be that way. Formal attire for a woman used to be ankle-length skirts and high-necked blouses with long sleeves. Pants are more comfortable and functional and look just as professional as a skirt.
I think it's ridiculous that women are expected to wear suits at all, really, since they were designed from men and I've yet to see one that flatters the female body without looking sexy.
What century is this???
@ 3:49
"Pants are more comfortable and functional and look just as professional as a skirt."
uhh, women dressing like men or men dressing like women does not look professional
Jesus Christ. Anyone who expects me to wear a skirt instead of pants is not someone I care to be working for. What is this, 1950?
I mean, how creeptastic must you be to worry about how close a woman's clothing comes to her crotch?
i always wear pantsuits to interviews--skirt suits are too girly. pants didn't stop me from landing callbacks with all of the top firms in dc last year, or from translating all the callbacks into offers. i'll be wearing pants to my clerkship interviews, as will many of my female friends.
maybe some conservatives/southerners prefer skirtsuits, but just as many liberals/northerners prefer pantsuits, so there's hardly a clear rule.
3:41--That just ain't true. Pillsbury NY was wearing tophats until 1972. 12 years after the last president wore one at inauguration.
3:49- I'll keep that in mind next time I consider wearing a tie to an interview. Luckily, my pants are from the women's section, so I won't have to worry about them.
Former federal appellate clerk here.
Skirt suits make you look childish in my view. Pants suits are more mature / authoritative.
When's the last time you saw hilary clinton in a skirt suit?
"3:35--because a coat and tails, or a tophat, have never been daytime business wear. Those are items of formal evening wear.
Formal daytime business wear for a man is, and always has been, a suit and tie (with the fashion of the suit varying), and, for women, a skirt suit."
What about hats and gloves for women? For the short period of time that formal business wear has existed for women, hats and gloves were part of it for a majority of the time. So were long skirts and very conservative blouses.
As for men, take a look at a photo of Carnegie or JP Morgan. You need a tophat, gloves, a cane, and a long coat with tails.
Don't be ridiculous, this is aburd. Pants all the way.
"uhh, women dressing like men or men dressing like women does not look professional" -- oh lol. so, women wearing pants is automatically "dressing like men"?! What are you, 90 years old?!
I second pants suits being the way to go on an interview.
Skirt suits are very "Ally McBeal circa 1996." Not a good look.
broads should always wear skirts.
period.
What a surpriser
Open your eyes, a
Woman advisor
The name of this entertainement is
Women lose weight
Our first years of mariage everything was just great
But after two kids
And a weight gain factor
The fact is
Now shes completely unattractive
Look fat chicks
I dont mean to sound rude
I tell her nice hit the gym
And dont eat so much food
But no
Your shallow
You need to run the course of unconditionnal love and so forth
But how if desires is not there
Thats just delayment
Divorce is, child support, alimony payments
My happiness I doubt discouraged
So hurry for an easier way out of this marriage
Meanwhile my secretary june well groomed
When you gonna leave your wife
I tell her soon mommy soon I assume
Or my destiny is blue
Interestingly
The only thing left for me to do is to kill her
What a surpriser
Open your eyes, a
Woman advisor
Im gonna have to kill her
Of course theres laws which enforces divorces
Send that ass right to the morgue miss
My plans against or shenanigans
Kinda ran thin
Knowin nothing about poisoning
And I cant swim
Bad intentions pumping
Might as well become numb
Cut her lungs or the obvious robbery gone wrong
But the catch is do I have the nerve to dispatch this
Who can I get to help me murder this fat chick
I guess Ill have to play a dude robbin on wednesday
The day she usually goes food shopping
Anyway long story short hit the side of her chrysler
And sent her clean over the divider
You bastard she said as the wreck went tumblin down the hill
I thought she has to be dead
Later on get a call
(from a) lieutenant orourke
(had me) leapin like a frog
We need you at the morgue
So I selfishly persue
Boohoo there was nothing else for me to do I had to kill her
What a surpriser
Open your eyes, a
Woman advisor
Cmon yall know I had to kill her
Of course theres laws which enforces divorces
Send that ass right to the morgue miss
Kill her
What a surpriser
Open your eyes, a
Woman advisor
Cmon yall know I had to kill her
Of course theres laws which enforces divorces
Send that ass right to the morgue miss
So you mean to tell me officer you dont have no clue who did this hit and run
No sir we dont have no clues right now
This is terrible what am I gonna tell the kids?
Pull yourself together sir
Im so broken up inside I just cant believe this
I understand, I understand
Catch the person who did this
Were gonna try sir
Please
Screamin who done took my heart acting shakin up a lot
At the funeral though everyone was lookin at me odd like I did it
Like I was the reason my mates slain murmuring
I heard he was displeased with her weight gain
While my secretary sort of a sexy blonde cant cook
All she does is order from restaurants
All of the sex you want
I doubt could adress, clothes not washed proper and house look a mess and
Talkin to detectives that was waitin outside
How I took a long lunch break day the wife died
I darn near turned pale
And because of betrayal they indicted me, and gave me an impossible bail
Good fortune to anyone admiring the rawtent
Moral of the story is
Desire is important
So watch your weight
Itll keep you mate smitten its a given
Though looking back I realised I didnt have to kill her
What a surpriser
Open your eyes, a
Woman advisor
I didnt have to kill her
Of course theres laws which enforces divorces
Send that ass right to the morgue miss
I killed her
What a surpriser
Open your eyes, a
Woman advisor
I didnt have to kill her
Of course theres laws which enforces divorces
Send that ass right to the morgue miss
Well there you have it
Keep thin trim
Keep your mariage healthy
Do you know what I mean?
Small message from morcheeba and slick rick the ruler
Peace
Not to derail the fascinating female sartorial discussion, but I just wanted to point out that the Clerkship Notification Blog really seems to have failed today. There's very little information posted about which judges have made calls for interviews. I don't know if that's because of the earlier SNAFU or not, but it's pretty annoying to those of use looking there for some useful information.
Not only should women have to wear skirt suits but they should also have to fix the judge a hot cup of coffee. It's only reasonable to let the judge know what he's getting.
The notion that pantsuits are not formal enough is ridiculous. The notion that skirt-suits are somehow too-sexy or girly is also ridiculous.
I'm at a CA firm. For trial in CA (this year) I was told by the female partners that I must wear a skirt suit whenever I was in the courtroom.
Women should wear tailored skirt suits while at work, in the courtroom, or in any law library. Women should always offer assistance to any man in the most gracious and subservient way possible. (sexual services not implied.)
-Law Man
Women should wear tailored skirt suits while at work, in the courtroom, or in any law library. Women should always offer assistance to any man in the most gracious and subservient way possible. (sexual services not implied.)
-Law Man
Wow, Morcheeba/Slick Rick lyrics on ATL...