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A Sexist Screed Against Female Attorneys?

We are not easily offended, nor are we very politically correct. Sometimes we write things that upset or antagonize people (sometimes intentionally, and sometimes not).

But this discussion of women lawyers, while certainly provocative, is a bit too inflammatory for our taste. We won't post excerpts here (because finding a portion that isn't offensive is difficult).

It's generating discussion and making the rounds by email, however, and people have brought it to our attention. We're passing it along for your consideration, so you can see what all the fuss is about. But please keep in mind that we agree with Jeff Jarvis's linking philosophy: “A link is not necessarily an endorsement, but a way to say ‘you go judge for yourself.’”

What A Girl’s Job Tells You [Roissy in DC]

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1 Posted by First? | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:44 PM

first

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:50 PM

FIRST to be not first!

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:50 PM

please copy and post - dam webfilter!

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:54 PM

Lawyer

Amoral alpha males with vaginas. Their yin is so deeply buried they spend all their free time (2 hours per week) fantasizing about a powerful dominant man releasing their inner woman. This is your cue to ratchet up the assholery. Outside of i-bankers and fashionistas, you will not meet a more materialistic or status-conscious chick than a lawyer. When she inevitably starts talking about what law school she attended and politicos she knows, put your finger up to her mouth and say “shhh… stop. from now on we will talk about happy things. tell me only the good things that come to mind about your childhood.” Most lawyer chicks have large clits which they use to pin you down on the bed. Making love to a lawyer means facefucking her till she pukes a little. The gods of karmic retribution will be pleased with this. Lawyers are always fucking over everyone else so this is your chance to return the favor. Proceed with great relish.

Sexual Satisfaction Rating: 4/5th erection
Long Term Potential Rating: don’t be a masochist

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5 Posted by Bored Stiff | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:59 PM

Obviously a slow news day. This is trite and boring, Lat. We want Billy Merck back!!

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6 Posted by Why Post This? | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:01 PM

This isn't news. This is just some pinhead ranting on a blog. Why give the attention if it isn't an "endorsement" in some way of the views.

The comments are even humorous, just angry and sad.

Bad job, Lat.

TEAR DOWN THIS THREAD!

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7 Posted by anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:02 PM

I almost find the post itself less troubling than all the comments that follow, which are all, "Right on," "I totally agree," "You are so right." I realize that blog readers are self-selecting and will tend to read blogs that publish ideas they agree with, but still . . . it's all offensive.

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:06 PM

Very boring. Go practice your journalistic ability by knocking on the doors of law firms and asking about their bonus structure for this year. Keep harassing them until they give it up. Please don't post more boring stuff like this.

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9 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:06 PM

This account is obviously exaggerated, but any guy who's gone to law school or encountered a significant number of female lawyers has certainly seen the trend in their personalities, which is dramatically different from just about any other professional (or non-professional) woman. I also thought the public interest "I want a family" types would be more manageable, but they're not too much different from their money/power hungry female colleagues.

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:09 PM

Worst (Lat) post ever. This guy is the online equivalent of the drunk guy at the end of the bar, and doesn't seem to be connected to the legal community in any way. Why do we give a damn what he has to say about female lawyers (and note that "Lawyer" was just one item in a longer post about the dateability of women in different professions)? Are we supposed to care every time some moron with a keyboard posts something stupid online?

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11 Posted by offended! | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:09 PM

Lat, I can't believe you would endorse the views in this blog by linking to it. sick.

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12 Posted by losing interest in ATL fast | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:09 PM

This isn't just boring, it's pretty nasty stuff. I agree with 2.01 - take it down and lift your sights Lat. You can do better than this.

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:14 PM

This is horrible. Everyone knows lawyers make great ex-wives.

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14 Posted by FemaleLawyer | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:14 PM

This is the worst f-ing post I've ever seen on this blog. Why link to it? It's disgusting and valueless. If people want to share it in small circles (though I can't imagine why they would), let them pass it around. Don't put it on a blog with such high readership, you have a responsibility here. You've left a really bad taste in my mouth.

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:22 PM

Lat doesn't like it b/c it's heteronormative.

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16 Posted by anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:22 PM

bad call lat. sad.

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17 Posted by anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:25 PM

I 100% agree with 2:14 (FemaleLawyer).

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:25 PM

Why is it offensive for a guy to post the million or so reasons he's never going to get laid on the internet for the world to see?

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:26 PM

"You've left a really bad taste in my mouth."

Femalelawer, explaining her disdain for linking to blog post including statement that "Making love to a lawyer means facefucking her till she pukes a little."

You can't make this shit up.

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:27 PM

"You've left a really bad taste in my mouth."

Femalelawer, explaining her disdain for linking to blog post including statement that "Making love to a lawyer means facefucking her till she pukes a little."

You can't make this shit up.

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21 Posted by "thatswhatshesaid" Commissioner | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:28 PM

"You've left a really bad taste in my mouth."

Femalelawer, explaining her disdain for linking to blog post including statement that "Making love to a lawyer means facefucking her till she pukes a little."

You can't make this shit up.

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22 Posted by Femalelawyer | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:30 PM

2:26-27 -

Fell right into my little trap you douche. You're like a little puppet!!!

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23 Posted by Anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:30 PM

I don't see why Lat linked to this. It's not funny, and the guy just seems angry and stupid. The kind of guy who graduated from some second-rate Virginia college with a B average, goes to Smith Point on the weekends, and has a lame job that doesn't pay much.

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24 Posted by David Lat | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:40 PM

I have been trying to get into Movable Type to post this, but we've been experiencing technical difficulties.

The authenticity of this Debevoise & Plimpton announcement has been confirmed for us by numerous sources.

From: "Evans, Martin Frederic"
Date: October 31, 2007 2:21:59 PM EDT
To: "Associates--Domestic"
Cc: "Partners--All"
Subject: 2007 Bonus Announcement

We are pleased to announce for U.S.-based associates both year-end bonuses and special bonuses for 2007. Bonuses will be paid to associates in good standing and will be subject to the usual pro-rations for part-time programs and lengths of service of less than the entire year. The special bonuses will be paid November 20 and the year-end bonuses will be paid in December. The bonus amounts for 2007 are as follows:

Class of 2007: Year-end bonus of $35,000 (pro-rated); no special bonus
Class of 2006: Year-end bonus of $35,000; special bonus of $10,000
Class of 2005: Year-end bonus of $40,000; special bonus of $15,000
Class of 2004: Year-end bonus of $45,000, special bonus of $20,000
Class of 2003: Year-end bonus of $50,000; special bonus of $30,000
Class of 2002: Year-end bonus of $55,000; special bonus of $40,000
Class of 2001: Year-end bonus of $60,000; special bonus of $50,000
Class of 2000 (and prior years): Year-end bonus of $65,000; special bonus of $50,000

This year has seen some of the largest, most complex and demanding projects our firm has ever undertaken, and your efforts have been instrumental to the delivery of superior service and advice to our clients throughout the year and to the success of the firm. We know that work loads continue at high levels for very many of you, and you have our sincere thanks and appreciation.

Rick Evans
For All Partners

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:41 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:46 PM

2:40, wrong thread.

Lat: That link was so not worthy of an ATL mention.

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27 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:49 PM

It is just a bad joke. Settle down.

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28 Posted by huh? | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:54 PM

Why was this worthy of a link? Is every blog that rips on lawyers going to get an ATL link or just the blogs that rip on FEMALE lawyers?

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29 Posted by repetitive | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:04 PM

of course you don't have to endorse everything you link to, but this was completely pointless. almost as pointless as me making the same complaint that's already been made 11x before me. almost.

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:10 PM

"This is your cue to ratchet up the assholery."

This is correct.

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:18 PM

Having reviewed the linked post I find nothing even worth of comment.

Is this some kind of "DC insider" humor?

(I use the term “humor” loosely; the linked post is not even remotely funny.)

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32 Posted by anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:20 PM

Lat calls his penis his "clit."

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33 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:22 PM

Dear 206: if you're looking for a manageable woman, please consider a blow up doll, or, if you're the cheap type, a nice warm towel.

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:27 PM

All my ex's are from Vinson & Elkins.

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35 Posted by Misogynist | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:28 PM

I thought this was great, good call Lat.

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36 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:28 PM

Lat, everything about you disgusts me: your creepiness and lack of masculinity; your hero worship of those who have far surpassed you in the legal profession; and your adolescent sense of humor. There is nothing good about you. This post, however, was considerably funny. I grant you that.

Notwithstanding your disingenuous caveat about not endorsing but instead allowing the reader to judge for himself, you would not have posted the link if some of what the writer said did not ring true to you. I’m sure that you’ve had a run in or two with women who fit that mold in your miserable experience.

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37 Posted by Bitchy McBitchington, III | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:45 PM

Look, I'm a woman lawyer and I'm not offended. The fact is, if it was written about males it would be just as unflattering. Maybe even more...

I think it's true that dominant women lawyers want dominant men to subordinate them. It's the worst revelation I've had in awhile...F!

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38 Posted by Bitchy McBitchington, III | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:49 PM

Look, I'm a woman lawyer and I'm not offended. The fact is, if it was written about males it would be just as unflattering. Maybe even more...

I think it's true that dominant women lawyers want dominant men to subordinate them. It's the worst revelation I've had in awhile...F!

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39 Posted by Bitchy McBitchington, III | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:58 PM

Damn you, pretend sever error!!!!

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:46 PM

The link really isn't that funny, it's just some idiot with blueballs trying to be Tucker Max.

But everybody should seriously stop complaining about Lat, Laurie, Billy Merck, etc. It's pathetic. If it's so boring or stupid, go to some other website--ATL doesn't owe you anything. The point of the site is to just generally keep a finger on the pulse of the gossip-y side of the legal world: which firms are paying what, which judges are doing crazy things, which professors from which law schools tried to solicit which prostitutes, etc. That's why it's called a "legal tabloid." I doubt Lat came across this on his own--people must have been forwarding it around and talking about it for someone to bring it to his attention. And whether it has any merit or not (this one, in my opinion, does not), if there are emails, blog posts, etc. being passed around, I'd like to be in the know--I think that's kind of the entire point of the website.

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41 Posted by anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:57 PM

"This isn't just boring, it's pretty nasty stuff." I think this statement sums up most of the comments on ATL. I personally thought the discussion of lawyers was much funnier and less nasty than the average discussion on ATL (even though I'm not a big fan of the female-lawyer discussion).

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42 Posted by anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:58 PM

"This isn't just boring, it's pretty nasty stuff." I think this statement sums up most of the comments on ATL. I personally thought the discussion of lawyers was much funnier and less nasty than the average discussion on ATL (even though I'm not a big fan of the female-lawyer discussion).

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:58 PM

I'm a female lawyer, and I wasn't offended either, because it's much more fun to point and laugh at retards than to try to engage them. It's almost cute how he thinks he's not dating these women by *choice*.

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44 Posted by anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:06 PM

I am a woman and was not offended by the post. I thought it was kinda funny albeit in bad taste. In fact, I plan to forward it to everyone in my family so they can get off my case about being single. The post totally proves the point I've been trying to make to them for years: many men think women lawyers are scary. On top of being a lawyer, my undergrad is in engineering from a top notch engineering school. How am I supposed to date when the moment I tell them what I do, they freak and run screaming in the other direction? Chase after them? Isn't that stalking? Should I pull a Miranda and tell them I'm a flight attendant?

Lat, why don't you do a segment on dating as a lawyer? That might be productive twist to this post.

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:20 PM

Kudos to 05:06pm. This ATL post is a waste of space. If you're going to dip into infantile "humor" that degrades successful women, at least humor us with dating advice. I get the feeling that someone who spends all his waking hours blogging must know a lot about the ladies. Am I right? Eh? Eh?

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46 Posted by John Yoo aka David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:25 PM

Bitchy McBitchington, III, you sound really hot. You free tonight? Although I hate when Jack Goldsmith tries to give away the president's power, I have a little executive privilege for you in my pants.

By the way, 4:46 pm, why should we stop complaining about Lat? Look at his face in the January 2006 NY Times article. This guy is a big-time douche. He's deserves the abuse. You know what I mean, right, Lat?

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47 Posted by John Yoo aka David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:27 PM

Bitchy McBitchington, III, you sound really hot. You free tonight? Although I hate when Jack Goldsmith tries to give away the president's power, I have a little executive privilege for you in my pants.

By the way, 4:46 pm, why should we stop complaining about Lat? Look at his face in the January 2006 NY Times article. This guy is a big-time douche. He's deserves the abuse. You know what I mean, right, Lat?

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48 Posted by anonymous was a woman | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:31 PM

5:06: Some of my law school girlfriends used to tell guys at bars that they were "taking classes" because saying that they were in law school sent dudes running. I'm sure a number of us lady-lawyers are used to that response.

I just kept allowing the silly, immature, easily-frightened young men to run away, during law school and after when I was truthful about my job. I consider their response one of my best sorting mechanisms - I don't want to be with such children anyway.

Just be truthful and keep allowing the "discards" to identify themselves. There are real, genuine men out there, promise.

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49 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:35 PM

Why is everyone so defensive?

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50 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:41 PM

5:31pm, you fit Roissy in DC’s description perfectly. Since you do, I should tell you that I’m a dominate man. Do you have a pic?

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51 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:50 PM

If a women is attractive, men "don't go running" from her because of what she does for a living.

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52 Posted by Nigel Tufnel | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:55 PM

What's wrong with being sexy?

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53 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:55 PM

Great post!!!

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54 Posted by David Addington aka Richard Bruce | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:56 PM

5:50 pm, a fine point!

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55 Posted by anonymous was a woman | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:57 PM

5:41: Actually, I don't. It's really interesting that you interpreted my comment that way though. I'm not materialistic, I'm not status conscious and I have no need to try to assert myself in the manner that one imagines when one reads "alpha male."

Implying that I want a genuine man, I mean exactly that: genuine, honest, caring, compassionate - and secure enough in himself not to feel threatened by a smart gal. Not a fake, arrogant, superficial jackass.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify that, though.

5:50: Clearly you've never been a lawyer who is also an attractive woman. Or spoken to one about this topic.

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56 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:59 PM

Snicker snicker as I walk by 30 something single greedy associate with growing posterior and a bad attitude.

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57 Posted by Why Give It Any Air Time? | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:00 PM

I'm a male attorney and thus, technically I should not be offended by the blog. However, the blogger's mysoginistic remarks about female lawyers and "his" assumption that he knows more about women than say...me, is enough to make me want to crush his motherfucking face. "Ratchet up the assholery"-fuck you. Stop blogging about your fantasies and muster up enough courage to talk to an attractive, intelligent woman.

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58 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:00 PM

Take a women that is a legitimate seven. Put her in a bar on a friday night. Have her tell every dude she meets that she cleans septic tanks for a living, if it comes up. No men will be deterred.

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59 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:03 PM

5:57pm, I guess what I’m trying to say it that your opinion doesn’t matter; you’re an object, worthy of my unitary executive. How would you like a preemptive facestuffing in violation of Common Article 3?

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60 Posted by Anonyhot | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:07 PM

6:00, you don't know WTF you're talking about. Seriously. I've seen them gulp when I say I'm a lawyer.

But for me, it has been a great litmus test.

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61 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:09 PM

6:07,

The moral of the story is that you must not be a seven. Go to the gym. Walk up to a machine called "the treadmill." Get on it and stay on it for an hour. Repeat four times a week for five months. Let's see if there is a difference.

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62 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:10 PM

Please keep in mind, there are real world standards, and there are lawyer standards. Don't compare your attractiveness to other female attorneys, because that isn't what most men do (except for dirty old partners and desperate associates).

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63 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:10 PM

Please keep in mind, there are real world standards, and there are lawyer standards. Don't compare your attractiveness to other female attorneys, because that isn't what most men do (except for dirty old partners and desperate associates).

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64 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:14 PM

Enough is enough. We’re all obviously lawyers, but those of us who are good at what we do and are successful neither take ourselves too seriously nor define ourselves by our work. Roissy’s point is that, presumably in his experience, a lot of female lawyers do, and it is objectionable. Female attorneys who do so should be treated accordingly.

It is worth noting that, to the extent female lawyers behave this way, it emanates from personal inadequacies and deep-seated insecurities, which, in some instances, may be understandable given that the giants of the Bar are all men: Me, Yoo, Roberts, Luttig, Scalia, Thomas, etc.

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65 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:24 PM

It always amuses me when women fall over each other in the rush to say they "aren't offended" by this stuff, just like Lat had to make sure we know he's not "politically correct." The idiocy level of this so-called "profession" is truly off the charts.

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66 Posted by 5:06 | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:33 PM

If a women is attractive, men "don't go running" from her because of what she does for a living.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 31, 2007 05:50 PM

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First, it is "woman" not "women". Second, I will admit I am not a total hottie but I do get a good number of dates. But every once and a while around date number three or four, I get "you are the smartest woman I'll ever date" and its not said in a good way but more in a "wtf I am not ever dating anyone but kindergarten teachers again". With that said, my best dates have been with other engineers or scientists. It seems that most male engineers/scientists think they are smarter than everyone else so the fact that I am an engineer/lawyer doesn't really threaten them. They tend to think I couldn't hack the engineering so I had to drop into law.

But seriously, Lat, do a dating post!!! Where do lawyers date? Are they on Match? Are they more likely to join e-harmony? Do they just date their office mates? Maybe the coupled up lawyers can give us some relationship advice.

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67 Posted by Anonyhot | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:52 PM

6:09--You're right. I'm not a seven. I'm an eight or nine. My last bf would lose his train of thought, stop speaking, and just gaze at me. It was kind of sweet. I didn't mind so much b/c he didn't hurt to look at either.

And no man ever gave me that face when I was a legal secretary. Or when they still think I am. If it comes up that I used to be a nanny, on the other hand, well hello.

So you go be a pretty girl for a while before you tell me what it's all about.

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68 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:53 PM

5:06,

I misspelled something. You got me. I am glad you put your strongest argument first.

You, however, made a gramatical error as well: "But every once and a while around date number three or four, I get "you are the smartest woman I'll ever date" and its [SIC] not said in a good way but more in a "wtf I am not ever dating anyone but kindergarten teachers again"."

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69 Posted by Bitchy McBitchington, III | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:54 PM

5:06/6:33, smart men tend to not like smart women because those women call them out on their bullshit, whilst dumb women just go "oh, ok" and move on with their life. I have a lot of close guy friends from law school and although they are incredibly intelligent, they routinely date teachers. TEACHERS! Then they complain that they aren't funny or smart. Yea, no f'ing shit. But they get away with murder while with them...

I tend to have a lot of guys interested in me, unfortunately they tend to be drawn to my confidence and aggressiveness and act submissive around me. HUGE TURNOFF.

Don't kiss my ass - pull my hair.

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70 Posted by Anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:55 PM

Sexist screeds were only really objectionable because women were subordinated. Now that a woman is likely to be our next president and women generally have a lot more power, the force behind arguments condemning these kinds of statements seems weaker.

Of course, this view is colored by the realization that women talk stunning amounts of shit about men without thinking twice about it. They also screw men over and act like it's all okay because they're women and, you know, made of sugar and spice and everything nice. Men are just there to take whatever shit women want to dump on them because, you know, they're men.

If women themselves were more committed to somehow being less awful, I might find this kind of thing a problem. But they aren't, and so, I think it's perfectly acceptable to bash away.

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71 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:55 PM

Anonyhot, you're ugly. You always have been, and you always will be. As an initial matter, a hot girl does not defend herself on a blog. Moreover, if you are hot, assuming we can look past the threshold issue, you'd post a pic. We're waiting . . . .

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72 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:00 PM

I have always been attracted to very intelligent women. I also like to surround myself with nice, normal people. People can be very intelligent and very nice. Many people think they are intelligent--when they are only just really hard workers--and are just plain mean. Guess what? Very few well adjusted people are going to want to have a long term committed relationship with you.

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73 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:02 PM

Bitchy McBitchington, III, I really, really need to give you the Article II in my pants. You are exactly what I'm talking about. You have an attitude and unjustified sense of accomplishment. You attack teachers, and feel yourself somehow superior because you blew your way through law school. You're a pig, who should be treated like one.

I love it; it’s so hot. You neither get respect nor are you taken seriously. You're an object of exploitation, law degree or no law degree. When can I see you, Bitchy?

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74 Posted by hahaha | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:03 PM

god, judging from the rampant femme-bashing, it looks like a lot of you male lawyers aren't getting any! so sad, so sad... keep bleeding onto the keyboard while you wait for your seamless web teriyaki chicken to show up, boys.

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75 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:05 PM

6:33,

If you don't know where to find a date, seriously, get some outside interests not involving cats and get to the gym. You aren't a six or below. Also, try not socializing with other attorneys.

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76 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:09 PM

At least, the teriyaki chicken isn't fattening.

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77 Posted by Bitchy McBitchington, III | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:13 PM

7:02, overboard, much?

I didn't say degrade and disrespect me. Get a clue.

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78 Posted by Common Sense | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:14 PM

a lot of the acrimony from the women on here comes from the discomfort in knowing that they have advanced pretty far in their education -- getting a j.d. -- but are still judged by how they look. i agree that sucks. as a guy though, that's just how it is. if a chick is ugly, it doesn't matter if she went to law school -- i'm out. if she's hot, it doesn't matter where she if to law school -- i'm hitting it.

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79 Posted by Anonyhot | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:15 PM

Tell you what, Addington, you post your pix., and if you can convince the women on this blog that you're an eight or nine, I'll post mine.

(Doesn't hold breath.)

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80 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:15 PM

Big firm associates, and attorneys generally, are not the happiest group of people. They are usually not very social. Throw in stressful 60 hour plus work weeks, and you have chubby angry stress out people with few friends but a growing savings account. Guess what? Your paycheck isn't that important. If your family has bank, no one cares that you make $70k per year in LA. You can analyze the situation all you want. You aren't that desirable of a mate. If you want to become more desirable, work on becoming a better person. It is harder to do than reviewing documents and kissing partner a$$.

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81 Posted by hahaha | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:18 PM

07:09, haha duly noted. i bet you take advantage of that discounted gym membership, too. it's ladies time!!! tip: show off the guns you work hard on all day with the continued pressing of the speaker button. and show a little skin: we ladies cannot get enough of that flourescent-fed milky-grey skin tone you law men flaunt so hard. like candy to a baby...

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82 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:19 PM

7:14,

Men are also judged on their status. The guy who barely graduated from college but owns his own business and makes $600k a year makes most big firm associates look like chumps.

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83 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:21 PM

Anonhot, you're gross and disgusting, a real skank. Post your pic. The burden is on you. My pic can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Addington. I find my beard incredibly sexy.

Bitchy McBitchington, III, I disrespect and degrade you because you warrant that kind of treatment. No guy wants an opinionated and overly-aggressive chick. That's why every guy you date can't stand you. Listen to yourself. You sound like a dude in a bar, and that is exactly what Roissy in DC is talking about. Let the facestuffing begin . . .

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84 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:23 PM

if your are hot, no man will care what you do for a living. lawyer or not.

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85 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:27 PM

6:55, actually it's the other way around.

Anti-male screeds were really only objectionable when men had to pay for everything. But now that men are becoming more able to stick up for themselves and have women pick up their half, the force behind arguments condemning anti-male remarks seems weaker.

Men talk stunning amounts of shit about women all the time, but they're backhanded about it and only rarely do it around women. So in addition to being shit-talkers they are two-faced hypocritical little bitches. At least when women talk shit about men they will do it to their faces. Men also expect their girlfriends to wait on them hand and foot; the women are simply there to serve and please their men, because, you know, men are so big and manly and important.

If men committed themselves to being less awful, then negative comments about men might bother me. But I don't see men falling over themselves trying to better themselves, as they should, to suit me and satisfy my ideal of what is "better" in line with my view of how much worse men act.

(See how ridiculous you looked?)

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86 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:30 PM

Male or female, raise your hand if you want to marry someone who is overly aggressive at home with you?

Exactly. Be nice to your significant other. Don't "over lawyer" your relationship.

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87 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:31 PM

7:27,

Can you buy me a drink?

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88 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:33 PM

David Addington, let me blow you. My teeth are poised and ready to strike...

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89 Posted by 7:27 | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:34 PM

7:31, gladly, if you're hot.

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90 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:36 PM

7:34,

What time you getting off work? 10:00 p.m.?

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91 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:39 PM

Only if you're a hot chick. And only if you agree that the president has the inherent authority to crush the testicals of enemy combatants if he deems it necessary, pursuant to his commander-in-chief powers.

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92 Posted by 7:27 | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:39 PM

Actually, I'm leaving in probably an hour or two (on the west coast). My partner left early to take his kiddies trick-or-treating, and I've got no work that absolutely has to be done in the office.

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93 Posted by 7:33 | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:46 PM

Actually I'm a hot dude. But I have a high-pitched voice and long, luxurious hair. You'd never know the difference, except you've NEVER had a girl blow you like this...

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94 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:48 PM

7:39,

You probably need to go to the gym, and then take a shower.

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95 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:51 PM

7:39,

You also probably want to feed your cats, and clean up your dirty room.

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96 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:09 PM

what was so offensive here? sure the guys puts it bluntly, but, the truth is, I work with a lot of women at my firm and I admire & respect many of them for being great lawyers. they're competitive, decisive, and, basically, ruthless. But the very traits that make them great lawyers are traits I would never want in a wife. So I go home to my nice, compassionate wife who teaches our children stuff about life that slip by us lawyers. So you ladies make great lawyers but bad wives. So what? Deal.

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97 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:15 PM

8:09,

maybe you need to get a handle on the reality that people can be, and usually are, very different in work versus home settings. the one-dimensionality that you stamp on your female co-workers is pretty insulting - make sure you tell them tomorrow when you roll in at 10am that you make a great husband, but they make terrible wives. same profession, right? but they're assholes and you aren't? hmm such deep thoughts.

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98 Posted by Jeff | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:15 PM

I certainly don't find it intimidating if a woman is an aggressive lawyer or whatever, I like someone who's feisty and keeps me on my toes a little. Maybe it's cause I know I'm damn smart and I don't want to have to dumb myself down for anyone.

Halir pulling? That's what I'm talking about.

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99 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:18 PM

8:15,

Perhaps this perception comes from experience. That those who can be "ruthless" at work are "ruthless" as friends and mates. Perhaps men are better at "turning this off." Obviously, these are all gross generalizations.

But, if you are reasonably attractive, and men run away when you mention you are an attorney, maybe you have let a bit of those negative characteristics slide into that bar with you on saturday night.

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100 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:20 PM

8:09,

I know dominant professional women who prefer submissive less succesful men. If that is what you want, go find yourself one, but be ready to work hard to maintain your lifestyle.

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101 Posted by 7:27 | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:22 PM

Sorry, no cats, just a dog. And I already worked out and showered this morning.

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102 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:24 PM

8:09/8:18:

How does what you're saying not apply equally to men? If a man is going to be a successful lawyer, doesn't he have to be ruthless too? In which case, isn't he going to make a shitty husband?

How on earth is this a gender issue? Unless, obviously, you are sexist and use any excuse possible to put women down. But that certainly could be you, now could it.

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103 Posted by 8:24 | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:25 PM

Should read "But that certainly could *not* be you, now could it."

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104 Posted by 8:24 | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:31 PM

You don't get it.

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105 Posted by Anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:33 PM

7:27:

"Men talk stunning amounts of shit about women all the time, but they're backhanded about it and only rarely do it around women. So in addition to being shit-talkers they are two-faced hypocritical little bitches. At least when women talk shit about men they will do it to their faces."

LOL.

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106 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:39 PM

Lawyers don't have to be "ruthless" to be succesful.

In my experience, the hacks tend to be the most "ruthless."

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107 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:50 PM

so true that many men will run from a female lawyer. My friends and I dubbed it the "A-Bomb" -- it was funny/sad to see how quickly some guys would end what had been a fun, flirty conversation once the subject of occupation came up.
According to my best friend who is a surgeon, female doctors face the same treatment by insecure guys, so it's not an "aggressive woman" fear -- it's a smarter, potentially-richer-than-you woman fear.
But, there are worthy guys ought there who aren't intimidated - I'm married to and pregnant by an adorable fellow lawyer (so we'll leave discussions about my looks aside until I deliver this kid and have my body back).

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108 Posted by Jeff | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:56 PM

7:27 - you will only go out with a guy if he's "hot" ? Are you a shallow high school girl or a lawyer?

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109 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:59 PM

I have an expirement. Someone find a nice young lady that is a legitimate 8 or 9. Let's have her bring up as much as possible that she is an attorney. Let's see what happens with your "a" bomb. Absolutely nothing. If anything, the men will be impressed.

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110 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:02 PM

Women place so much value on a man's status that they can't understand that men usually don't do the same for women.

Looks and personality ladies. That is what matters most 95% of the time.

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111 Posted by Anonymous | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:05 PM

Putting a discussion of "the Game" aside, a one line answer to how a man can obtain a better mate is this: gain more status. It doesn't matter if this is done through acquiring wealth, very good looks, status within a social circle, this status is paramount.

For women, it would be this: look good, be nice.

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112 Posted by Bitchy McBitchington, III | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:35 PM

Jeff/8:15, what city do you live in? :)

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113 Posted by Bitchy McBitchington, III | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:37 PM

Jeff/8:15, what city do you live in? :)

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114 Posted by Anon | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:41 PM

Bitchy McBitchington, III to 36 DD!

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115 Posted by David Addington | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:45 PM

Bitchy McBitchington, III, don't do this. I need you, you skank. Don't cheat on me for a nice guy. I'll treat you like the lowly pig you are.

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116 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:13 PM

i do think this link was posted in poor judgment. endorse or not, offensive or not, it's not intelligent or relevant, and giving thousands of hits to that blog is just not what i consider to be in good judgment.

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117 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:26 PM

Women and men typically want different things. Deal with it. Who on earth said that everything in life applies equally to men and women?

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118 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:27 PM

My wife cuckolds me and I love it.

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119 Posted by Jeff | Permalink Thursday, November 1, 2007 1:13 AM

Bitchy, I live in NJ just outside NYC. You?

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120 Posted by A Women is the new Loyola 2L | Permalink Thursday, November 1, 2007 1:32 AM

All I ask is that "a women" will punch me in the face when I come. I don't care if she's a lawyer or not, just that she be hot and fit.

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121 Posted by Sigmund Urblog | Permalink Thursday, November 1, 2007 5:04 AM

When u see the word erection, dont get so agitated

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122 Posted by 8:09 | Permalink Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:38 AM

what did you women expect? the traits that the legal profession fosters and even requires for success are completely at odds with the traditional gender roles of women in western society. whether those roles are fair or accurate is beside the point --the statistical majority of guys hold them at least subconsciously if not private among themselves. so what? enjoy your career and find a guy who's "above" all that and doesn't mind dating a woman with masculine traits. you can't always have your cake and eat it too.

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123 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:19 AM

8:38: Well-put. Being a professional is a great screening device in that you simply won't attract the dickheads who expect you to be Holly Homemaker. Leave that shit to the kindergarten teachers (which I actually respect as a job very much, but it is among the jobs some males idealize).

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124 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:21 AM

8:38: Well-put. Being a professional is a great screening device in that you simply won't attract the dickheads who expect you to be Holly Homemaker. Leave that shit to the kindergarten teachers (which I actually respect as a job very much, but it is among the jobs some males idealize).

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125 Posted by Surrounded by spinsters-in-training | Permalink Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:23 AM

problem is these "dickheads" make up the majority of the male population ...

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126 Posted by Rocky | Permalink Thursday, November 1, 2007 12:00 PM

The profanity I am seeing among all the female lawyers on this thread proves all the guys' point. If you're not feminine and you don't have class, guys are not going to bring you home to mom.

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