firstsies

I think the school should turn the other cheek.

And Key should tattoo the other cheek with Pat Robertson's pic.

Fair? Christian?

"Let Regent be Regent." Yes, how dare an institution face any internal criticism. If other allegedly leftist institutions (e.g. Yale and Harvard) can take criticsm from the right, I think Regent can withstand one lone tattooed student posting lame videos on YouTube. Or should conservatives just let Harvard and Yale be Harvard and Yale.

I'm just surprised that someone with tattoos and who would so ardently defend free speech and the right to criticize the law school dean would be attending a place like Regent.

Am I alone on this?

as eva!

This guy staged this and is clearly starved for attention. Maybe he thinks this will get him a job or something or at least the tatoos will help him with the ladies.

Fat Liberal Tattooed Dude to $190k

If you notice, the story doesn't include comment from anyone from Regent other than Key. The Virginia Pilot is notorious for this type of shoddy reporting. It turns out that Key did not post the picture on his Facebook page. He sent it out to the student listserv that is maintained by the university. It is also interesting to note that the article mentions expulsion as a possible punishment, but does not allege that any one at Regent has actually threatened Key with expulsion.

Cool tattoos. Of course, I have "prior restraint" tattooed on my left butt cheek.

Things may have changed since I took Conlaw, but how does the first amendment protect a student from being disciplined by the law school for offensive speech?

Lat just wishes he'd gone to Regent instead of that liberal dive at New Haven.

I have "Bastardy" tatooed on my right breast and "Act" tatooed on my left breast. HUGE family law fan. And it serves as an old school reminder to the men I sleep with of the importance of the fez.

11:21, no, I just think Mr. Key doesn't have a solid grasp of the First Amendment. That may be part of the reason he isn't even pulling a 3.0 at Regent Law.

I have "The Tragedy of the Commons" tattooed above my cooch.

Lat - sorry, but you are a whinny, self important, snobby, north eastern liberal, a prestige whore, a Politically Correct Junkie - "get your head out of your ass and get your tattoos removed"....you cross out "freak show" but leave it in to make your point? Who the fuck are you to criticize someone for having tattoos? Mocking someone who goes to a lesser law school? I guarantee you that men who have fought for freedoms, men who have stood up for their rights, men who have been radicals and fought for change, men who have fought for what they believe in, will be remembered long after your pampered Ivy League educated gay Asian ass - long after your oh so special Wachtel, and certainly long after your second rate blog. How dare you judge another person like this - what great accomplishments have you had other than labeling every powerful women a "diva" (and expecting us not to think that chauvinism), every not top 20 school, second tier, and everyone who has anything but the most liberal northeast views as some how being a hick, or a "freak show" - get a life you pathetic snob - get your head out of your ass. I hope you run into this guy one day - doubt you'd enjoy the experience.

Hey L2L-

According to the Princeton Review law school Loyola LA is #1 in the country for having the best profs, etc. STOP YOUR WHINING, YOU ARE JUST ABLE TO HANDLE LAW AND SHOULD SWITCH PROFESSIONS. I hear Meth labs are profitable.

Best Classroom Experience: Based on student assessment of professors' teaching abilities, balance of theory and practical skills in the curricula, tolerance for differing opinions in class discussion, and classroom facilities.

Loyola-L.A.
Duke
Stanford
Vanderbilt
Boston University

11:39 = Adam Key

Go Cougars! Top three most conservative and the most competitive school. BYU's probably the most underrated law school in the country.

here here 11:39!

Lat is Phillipino NOT Asian..

11:39 - too funny

Yeah. Take it easy, 11:39. Let Regent be Regent and let Lat be Lat.

What continent are the Philippine Islands a part of? Australia?

The Philippines aren't part of Asia? And it's "Filipino," by the way.

He remains a fillipine- nobody said that was part of Asia fuckface

11:05, there's a difference between niche-heavy fourth-tier schools and HYS. I think Lat would quickly agree that we should "Let DC be DC."

I can't seem to stop thinking about hitting 11:49 in the head very hard with a brick.

Little know, yet hilarious fact:

Pat Robertson, president of Regent (i.e., right-wing nut job) Law School, is an alumnus of the Yale (i.e., left-wing nut job) Law School.

11:39 AM obviously forgot to take his meds today.

Everyone Knows he went to Yale

Heh, heh, heh...jackass.

Help Me at 12:03 -

Seriously, seek help elsewhere.

Little known yet hilarious fact - Pat Robertson is kind of conservative.

11:39, you are an idiot.

This Regent guy does seem like a freak with a bizarre ax to grind. I bet he has the PATRIOT Act tattooed on his a**.

In any event, Lat is charming and brightens our otherwise mediocre days with witty commentary. Thank god for wifi. Where would us future NY BigLaw associates be without ATL to serve us the dish on law firms big and small?

11:39, I think you suck.

11:39: It's one thing to criticize Lat/ATL about specific things that you think are out of line. Sometimes I think Lat crosses the line, and when he does, I let him know.

But if you have such blanket hatred for things that are core qualities of Lat/ATL, why do you visit?

I agree with 11:39 to a certain extent. I always detect some misogny from Lat. And he seems to have a 90-year-old woman's uneasy fixation/fear of tattoos. I think he must live within in a homogenous insular group. Get out and see more America, Lat.

You should check out Key's Facebook page. He's posted 180 pictures that he took at Regent's Barrister's Ball and he isn't in a single one of them. Not one. Out of 180. It seems to me this guy has probably spent his entire life on the outside looking in and now he's looking for attention.

11:39, I like the way you rolled up your sleeve in that picture. Good stuff.

I agree with 11:39 to a certain extent. I always detect some misogny from Lat. And he seems to have a 90-year-old woman's uneasy fixation/fear of tattoos. I think he must live within a homogenous insular group. Get out and see more America, Lat.

This guy is a tool who gets off on fucking with other people. He should've spent less time in college trying to be a bad-ass and more time studying for the LSAT so he didn't have to go to Regent Law. Now he's going to get expelled. Is that like getting fired from McDonalds? Where do you go to work after that?

11:39,

If you think Lat is a liberal, you're an idiot.

I kind of agree with the rest of it, though.

Australia et al are part of "Oceania." Not totally sure if the Phillipines are part of Oceania.

11:44 (BYU RULES),

I am not sure how you make the connection. BYU, most competitive students and very conservative = underrated? I don't think so. Other than the top students, what about its employment opportunities? Maybe law firms don't have your insider perspective.

Come on, filipino is close enough to Asian......if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck.....well you get the point.

byu sucks. i have lots of mormon friends and have nothing against them. but when you go to a school that screams, I"m a mormon!," big firms will have no interest:
1. You can't stay up late, no coffee.
2. You can't swear or be in the same room with people who swear.
3. Proseltyzing to partners will get you nowhere.
4. As a result of not-drinking, mormons don't go to social events and have trouble fitting in with non-mormons.

byu sucks. i have lots of mormon friends and have nothing against them. but when you go to a school that screams, I"m a mormon!," big firms will have no interest:
1. You can't stay up late, no coffee.
2. You can't swear or be in the same room with people who swear.
3. Proseltyzing to partners will get you nowhere.
4. As a result of not-drinking, mormons don't go to social events and have trouble fitting in with non-mormons.

2:11

Yea BYU sucks. Tuition is 8k a year and I get a job paying 160k. All the debt is just going to kill me.

Both of the Filipina girls I've dated considered themselves Asian.

As a Regent grad, what is most disappointing about Lat's post and some of the comments is the idea that Regent is a terrible school because of the actions of a few people like Goodling (no, I didn't know her) and this Key character. And yet, despite the "fact" that Regent is supposed to be a TTT (or worse) and the only people who suppedly attend the school are conservative sycophants with no hope of a legitimate legal career, I graduated from Regent in the top 20 of my class and have had a great run as Navy JAG for the past few years.

Yes, there are plenty of students at Regent and every other poorly ranked school who are there because they couldn't get into a top-tier school But then there are also students who go there for family or financial reasons. I was able to pay off my law school debts within two years of graduating, using nothing more than my meager government paycheck. How many top-tier grads can say that?

I realize that this post will only bring out the haters who want to rip on the JAG Corps (no, I've never tortured any detainees or defended anyone who did), Regent or other lowly law schools in general. But I believe that my career and the opportunities I have for my post-Navy life are testament to the fact that ultimately it doesn't matter where you go to law school so long as you work hard in school, pass the bar and network, network, network.

Doesn't this jackrabbit realize that he attends a private law school? YOU CHECKED YOUR 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AT THE FAUX-PEARLY GATES BUSTER!

Where does Lat say he thinks Regent is a "terrible" school? He seems to be taking Regent's side (against this Key character).

As for the Monica Goodling reference, it's clear that Lat is a fan, based on his past writings about her.

"As a Regent grad, what is most disappointing about Lat's post and some of the comments is the idea that Regent is a terrible school because of the actions of a few people like Goodling (no, I didn't know her) and this Key character. "

Dude. That is not why Regent is a terrible school, and no one's saying that.

Hottie!

the JAG Corps (no, I've never tortured any detainees or defended anyone who did),

hey Admiral- no shame in defending people accused of tourturing detainees.. the 6th amendment applies to them as well.

3:38

One of the more rational comments I've seen on ATL (although I can't imagine going within 30 feet of Regent - for school or otherwise).

Hey Navy JAG,

The only ex-JAG I know is now in-house at one of the Morgans - either JP or Stanley - can't remember which. Hope your future is similarly bright.

4:26

It is highly irrational (and a form of a strawman argument) for him to claim that people think Regent is a bad school only because of Goodling and Key.

Keep up the good work, Lat. As students of good law schools know, there is nothing funnier than TTT law students with a chip on their shoulder.

Guess they don't cover the meaning of "state action" at Regent.

4:10 is right. Lat is only saying that Regent is more religious than the average law school (which is true). Sometimes people see slights where none exist.

Lat snarks on everyone, Harvard and Yale as well as Regent. It's what bloggers do.

Everyone needs to chill - especially 11:39.

i just think it ironic that a school with the stated goal of advancing an ideology based on an implicit rejection of rationality* would try to advance that aim through something some heavily rooted in the tradition of rationality

*i mean faith of course, but i don't mean to imply any negative connotations in that, however i think it is fair to characterize faith as a rejection of rationality

Lat is not beating on regent anymore then the other schools, but that doesn't mean I won't.

What a total toilet.

example: 11:39's impeccable logic

"But I believe that my career and the opportunities I have for my post-Navy life are testament to the fact that ultimately it doesn't matter where you go to law school so long as you work hard in school, pass the bar and network, network, network."

Why is this a testament that it doesn't matter where you go to law school? Are you saying that if you did all the things you did and went to Harvard you would have the same opportunities? Because that's what the logic implies if you say it DOESN'T MATTER where you go to school.

It makes much more sense to say it "doesn't matter as much as.. work etc." but to say it DOESN'T MATTER just totally killed your credibility.

They don't teach you to communicate clearly at RegenTTT? You must be a great lawyer.

5:26, I resent your implication that Regent is a TTT. Check the US News. It's an FTT, thank you very much.

5:15 - that's part of the point. He's a "snarker" - what kind of life is that? What value does that bring? He has never styled this blog to be some sort of sarcastic commentary on the world at large or the legal profession. He has styled it, at least in the past, as having journalistic integrity - as having some value. As presenting either legitimate news or fostering a legitimate discussion. Any one out there (and the gay Asians seem to be the best) can sit in some corner and "snark" at the rest of the world. "Oh look what she's wearing" "can you believe he said that" "OMG, what a hick he is for doing that" “Oh how pedestrian”....it's very easy to be cavalier, snarky and sarcastic. And certainly that's his right - but what value does that add? What purpose does that serve? I went to a top tier law school (and am at a very prestigious BigLaw firm) but this does not make me inherantly better than anyone, nor necessarily more succesful in the long run, and while perhaps giving me the “ability” to do so, it does not give me the right to sit in judgment of anyone. And for all you school snobs out there, I can tell you this, once you're in, very few firms care about school pedigree. And even when it comes to hiring - at least lateral hiring - many firms couldn't give two shits about your pedigree - where you came from, what school you went to, who your daddy knows. They care about (at first) 1) how smart you are - not book smart - but out of the box, see a problem and help me solve it smart; 2) how hard working you are; 3) how good you are on your feet; 4) how professional are you - do you get along with other lawyers, paralegals, secretaries, clients? Then later: can you bring in business. Many of the top law firms (in particular Skadden) have seen the value of going to a so called "lesser" law schools for hiring purposes. These people often times are more motivated, harder working - have something to prove. They aren't generally obsessed with "image" or prestige or theoretical nonsense - they are driven by common sense and pragmatism - things that drive the practice of real life law, especially at a Big Law firm. 4:51 - you talk about "Third Tier (TTT)" law students with a chip on their shoulder - while there may not be anything "funnier" then this, there is nothing more annoying then a Top Tier law student with one on his - and nothing less tolerated. If you prance around arrogantly with a false sense of pride because of your pedigree, you will be sadly surprised by the bad reviews you get - that you are ridiculed behind your back by your peers, that your support staff all of a sudden aren’t so supportive. The practice of law is filled with this arrogance, this snobbery, this cavalier attitude towards everything – it’s what helps make our profession so hated, and all virtues personified by Lat, who exaggerates, ridicules, and snarks at everything. His Yale schooling and time at Wachtel personify the individual most hated in our profession - an individual who sees problems everywhere - who obsesses over status - who "ranks" everything. Someone who criticizes everything and presumes to know enough to cast judgment on others. A person who thinks the most relevant part of the Carney story is, how attractive is the plaintiff, who’s take on women of power is that they’re all “Divas,” and who blanketly states that the mere fact that someone goes to a conservative – or a liberal school – means that they cannot buck the status quo (typical of the “we must all be Politically Correct” crowd). It may be what bloggers do, but it is disgusting none-the-less and this story is typical of this nonsense. That is all I am saying - 11:39

LOL, this is exactly what I am talking about 11:39. Hilarious shit. Now let me rebut some of your double digit IQ logic.

First, why would I have a chip on my shoulder? I coasted into a prestigious firm paying 160k.
Second, even if I did "prance around" touting my pedigree, no one would even notice--I will be working a firm filled with people as smart or smarter than me. There are almost no TTTs whatsoever at my firm that would (jealously) talk about me behind my back--we are all in the same position.
Third, I'm not like this outside of posting comments on a blog. When I meet people like you and you tell me what law school you go to, I stifle my laugh and nod my head and act like you made a good decision. When you ask me what school I go to, I say the name under my breath and act as though I am embarassed to even mention it. You will then respond with an incredulous look and say "great, uhhh, how do you like it?" And right then you will know that you have been exposed as a TTT.

2:36,

Typical BYU response. Thin-skinned and hostile. Must be true that it's the "Harvard of the West."

Would I have more opportunities had I gone to Harvard? Yes, of course, I'm sure that would be the case and it would silly for me to say otherwise.

My point, even if poorly stated in my original post, is that I resent the notion that I am an inferior lawyer solely because I attended a bottom-feeding law school. If my work product is poor and I constantly lose in court, then I'm am a bad lawyer--but if I churn out good work and whip first tier butt in court, which I routinely do, then that is what defines me as a lawyer, not the name on my degree.

It was once said - and is very true - being a Great lawyer will make up for being a bad law student. Nothing will make up for being a bad lawyer. School means nothing if you can't win a case, make an argument, get along with your peers and suport staff, run/maganage/organize a case, a deal, a team, if you can't think outside the box, and if you don't bring in business.

11:39 / 5:50: "He has never styled this blog to be some sort of sarcastic commentary on the world at large or the legal profession. He has styled it, at least in the past, as having journalistic integrity..."

Um, are we reading the same blog? This is ATL we're talking about - a Gawker or Wonkette for the law. If you're looking for journalistic integrity, try the Wall Street Journal legal blog (until Rupert Murdoch is done with it).

Lat has been snarky, snobby, elitist and diva-loving from the beginning. It's not like this site has undergone some transformation, like the New York Times morphing into the National Enquirer.

But the bottom line, as others have said, is that if you find this site loathsome, then don't read it.

Question from a 2L: People talk a lot about the need to "bring in business." I know it's obvious on its face, but on a practical level, how do you do that? I can't imagine as a young associate that I'm going to have that much client interaction with corporate CEOs? Alternatively, is it a function of networking (i.e. I went to Penn undergrad and most of my non-law school grads are Whartonites)...Are these the people that I'm going to drum up 5 years from now when they've advanced in their careers?

to 10:04 -- at a top 50 firm, the client list stays relatively constant. Sure, there are big scores every now and then, where your firm steals a big client from a competitor, but those are rare and generally the doing of a handful of big rainmakers (i.e. not you). The most you can hope for is to play your part in keeping the clients your firm has. That's accomplished by doing consistently good work. If you work for the same client long enough, the ideal is they start asking for you by name. If that happens enough, you're golden. Of course, if you're working for a small firm, it's a different ballgame (one that I have no experience with).

One thing to add -- yes, the Whartonites might be good contacts down the line. But 20 years down the line, not 5.

7:23: Is the New York Times morphing into the National Inquirer supposed to be a bad thing? You must have missed Maureen Dowd's latest on Justice Thomas.

Navy JAG Grad: The commenters who hate Regent feel that way because they hate Christianity. This has nothing to do with Goodling or Key, and it doesn't even have that much to do with elitism. I personally tend to favor schools like Harvard and Yale because they tend to attract the best students (despite the extremism of the faculty), but I have a high degree of respect for places like Regent and Liberty because I realize that many smart people choose to go there to avoid being indoctrinated. Similarly, there are commenters who ordinarily don't mock second tier schools, but who have a deep hatred of schools like Regent only for ideological reasons.

Fed Soc is an idiot! Organized religion is essentially indoctrination - religious indoctrination is what places like Liberty and Regent are all about. Unfortunately religious fundamentalists can't see through this. Learn some critical thinking skills and try applying them to all areas of thought - including an examination of what religion really is (a way to control society).

I have a ten inch penis, but TINY balls.

Seriously, they're no bigger than marbles.

11:39 - you are awesome

11:39 and feelin' fine!

Ok, let me clear a couple things up.

1. The reason I'm not in any of the Barrister's pictures is because I went there as a photographer, not a student. The Student Bar Association hired me to take pictures, so of course, I'm not going to be in pictures I took.

2. ABA standard 221(c) limits the policies religious schools can enact to those that conform with the Constitution and the First Amendment, meaning I still have free speech even at Regent.

3. For people not knowing my actual GPA, which I didn't disclose on purpose, you certainly jump to a lot of conclusions.

4. This is the first time I've posted on here. I wasn't posting as my own supporter.

Why do you suggest that Regent law students spend their time memorizing Bible verses?

There is a free market of law schools. With such seemingly deep-seated dislike of Regent, why did you go there for law school?

If his GPA is "under 3.0" he will probably flunk the bar exam. Probably as he faces his pending graduation and the prospect of being unemployed, he did this as a publicity stunt to be hired by a low rent NGO legal defense fund doing pro bono work.

I support his right to freedom of speech and think the university over reacted true to their crypto-fascist nature.

But he was asking for it since he is a self proclaimed liberal enrolled at a knee jerk, crytpo-fascist college. Why didn't he enroll at Brigham Young University or Oral Roberts University?

He reminds me of a pacifist who gets a job at Blackwater Security and then whinges they are big, bad meanies to him because he's a left-y.

I'm a liberal but I think this joker is just a marginal student with a C+ GPA and an attention whore who wants to get a shot on Leno or Letterman - Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report!

I am a Regent student and have attended several classes with him. He loves attention. In addition to the many tattoos he showed in the picture, he also has a tattoo of Pat Robertson's head on the inside of that same arm. It is right next to the tattoo of the head of Osama Bin Laden.

I have nothing against tattoos and have one myself. I just think that tattoos of Osama and Pat are simply to get attention and show that he likes to do whatever it takes to get a reaction.

Also, several students complained of his erratic behavior. Specific comments made by Adam to other students and things that he did caused students to question their safety around him. With the Virginia Tech shooting still fresh in our minds, I am grateful the school asked him to get counseling instead of waiting for him to possible harm others.

He is trying to get attention in all the wrong ways. If he would have put that energy into his classes he would have done a whole lot better.

ANYONE WHO STILL NEEDS PROOF THAT PAT ROBERTSON IS AS "CRAZY AS A ROAD LIZZARD," HAS A COUPLE OF BROKEN ANTENNAE, DON'T THEY? YOGI, TUCSON

ANYONE WHO STILL NEEDS PROOF THAT PAT ROBERTSON IS AS "CRAZY AS A ROAD LIZZARD," HAS A COUPLE OF BROKEN ANTENNAE, DON'T THEY? YOGI, TUCSON

i think the media feels sorry for pat robertson because of his age and all-
it was so obvious that gigi only wanted hothot lover gordon for his daddy's money
she made an ass of gordy and the media feels sorry for them now i guess

posthumous coverage
thats the plan
take down gordon after he gets that job
the dad is too old
that would be cruel

its sickening

LOVE the pics Gig. How adorable! I love how you can actually see water droplets flying in opposite directions as you shake back and forth. And a great reminder to "travel light."

Pat Robertson IS a kook and HE is an attention whore, but he is so much worse. He will smear with unbelievable cruelty anyone who dares to confront him with his lies and abuses.

Pat Robertson is completely immoral and so is his son Gordon.

the whore loving liar hides behind his sawed off sekulow

was sawed off sekulow getting blows too?

i wonder if patty pat is proud of his offspring there at Regent

the 'PRODUCT'

why not encourage them to think for themselves patty pat?
why not teach them to listen patty pat? allow differences in opinions patty pat?
patty pat is probably LOVING the hatred and insensitivity attempts at degradation humiliation berating adam and belittling and insulting him patty pat is beaming with pride
patty pat is not a human

in loving memory of a bad christian friend who had to be taken out

a bruised reed He shall not break