Because Listserv Clusterf**ks Happen at Top Five Schools, Too
Law school list serve trainwrecks are a staple here at ATL. We've written about several -- see, e.g., Cumberland Law School; Washington University School of Law -- and they tend to be popular with readers.
A student at NYU Law School brought a recent listserv debacle to our attention:
[This listserve controversy] touches on many law school and other legal topics. They include grades, finals, state vs. T14 schools, Jesus, the Constitution, Jesus vs. the Constitution, and [people] who were arrested at Harvard [see April 24, 2:21 AM entry] and feel the need to announce it to the whole law school.Perhaps it's just exam stress all around, but having just taken my crim pro final earlier today, the last bit made things extra hilarious.
The reader then included several emails from the thread. But fortunately for us, another NYU law student already collected and posted them over here (which saves us the trouble of cutting and pasting).
More after the jump.
A few excerpts of the excerpts:
Initial message: ... I decided to compile a list of the easiest professors at NYU Law for those of us who: 1. want an easy A, and 2. don't care about the grade and just want a B without doing a thing.N.C., 5:31 PM: Does your mom still teach here? Because I heard that she's REALLY easy... Best wishes trying to avoid learning in law school.
K.T., 7:05 PM: If you came to NYU Law school thinking to take shortcuts to get easy As as opposed to taking classes that you would find challenging and helpful to your understanding of law practices, here's my nugget advice: save the money and go to a state law school.
J.S., 8:13 PM: Dear Ms. [K.T.], .... We come to NYU to take made-up classes like "Jesus & the Constitution," "Inter-Animal Contracts," and "International Law." Coming to NYU for anything than intellectual masturbation or an easy job is a waste of money.
If you're in the market for "intellectual masturbation," this listserve exchange should be right up your alley. Read more over here.
Update: The blogger behind thisisnewyork did not reprint in full this exchange, involving "K.T." (who is, by the way, not at the law school):
D.D.: Where were you [KT] on April 24th at 2:21 AM? http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=507482K.T., 12:02 AM: My boyfriend cheated on me and I went to confront the girl. Big deal! I am sure the ladies here would do the same.
T.H., 12:03 AM: One would think that you'd confront the boyfriend, but so it goes.
D.F., 12:04 AM: Whooo! I'm going to need one of those gigantic movie theater sodas to go with that popcorn...
Coases list [thisisnewyork]
Police Log [Harvard Crimson]










Comments
this really isn't worth posting about. the only interesting aspect of the whole thing is that the most obnoxious poster, "K.T." is not an NYU law student at all. (Anyone with an @nyu.edu email can subscribe to the listserv in question).
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:01 PM
Isn't NYU a state school?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:03 PM
Going to a good law school sounds like a party. Everyone's is carefree and making off colored jokes.
You won't find such things at Loyola. Everyone here is serious and dour, and worried about our futures.
Posted by: Loyola 2L | December 14, 2007 04:04 PM
I like this one:
"Ninjas? Are you crazy? Everyone knows pirates are so much better. Only ninjas go to NYU for easy As. Pirates go to learn how to rule the world. Besides, ninjas were responsible for the power outage a few weeks ago."
NYC to 5 bottles of rum!!!
Posted by: zomg pirates | December 14, 2007 04:05 PM
What's wrong with an f'in state school?
Boalt, Michigan, UVA = TTS? Don't think so.
I got into NYU but went to Berkeley because back then, it was dirt cheap. No regrets.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:08 PM
So pathetic.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:09 PM
No, NYU is "a private university in the public service."
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:09 PM
Dear NYU,
I have read your listserve, am underwhelmed by your attempt at wit, and will next year rank you below CLS, a school with class.
Respectfully yours,
U.S.N.&W.R.
Posted by: U.S.N.&W.R. | December 14, 2007 04:10 PM
do NYU law students ever throw themselves out of school windows and off the ledges of the Bobst library, or is that the exclusive province of undergrads?
if the latter, they might want to rethink that tradition.
Posted by: Fordham 3L & soon-to-be AmLaw200 Assoc. | December 14, 2007 04:15 PM
I think they are referring to Brooklyn or Fordham as state schools.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:17 PM
Is there really a law school course on "Inter-Animal Contracts"?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:18 PM
Yeah its contracts between Fordham and Brooklyn law students
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:19 PM
AmLAw 200? Here is a brief list of comparable accomplishments:
1. Owning a gently used Toyota Corolla.
2. Getting to second base with a girl one time, (your cousin).
3. Almost missing the dogshit on the sidewalk.
4. Getting a robo-call from the Ron Paul campaign.
5. Graduating from Fordham Law School.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:20 PM
NYU is the weak link of the CNN tier
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:20 PM
NYU sucks in so many ways. All the idiots at my firm went to school there.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:20 PM
"what knowledge and tools are you equipped with when you're in Congress"
People from NYU are electable, much less elected?
Posted by: anon | December 14, 2007 04:21 PM
Boalt is definitely top tier - Michigan and UVA rightfully fall in TT slots
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:23 PM
Fordham is an*amazing* school. Try transferring here after your first year. You can't! Admissions are *extremely* competitive, and no one ever drops out!
I went here because of its Jesuit heritage, and I'm proud!!!
Posted by: Fordham Pius XII | December 14, 2007 04:24 PM
No matter how high it is ranked, it will never be ivy. This illustrates why.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:25 PM
4:17 (aka the clueless douche):
neither brooklyn nor fordham are state schools.
Posted by: anonimal | December 14, 2007 04:25 PM
What else do you expect from a school full of CLS rejects?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:26 PM
Unless you are Opus Dei, doesn't make sense to go to Fordham. Why would anyone try to transfer there unless of course you scored in the lower 25th percentile on the LSAT.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:26 PM
The emails seem to give the impression that NYU students are by and large pretty grounded and not so serious about everything. Kudos!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:28 PM
Um, Jesuit heritage? Have you not realized that 60% of the school is Jewish?
Posted by: Anon. Fordhamite | December 14, 2007 04:29 PM
4:24--You must be brainwashed--I transferred to CLS this year from Fordham along with 5 others all in the top 20 of the class.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:30 PM
oh yes 4:25, surely NYU lacks the class and sophistication to be admitted to the ranks among Cornell.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:32 PM
4:26
Fordham LSAT scores are competitive with scores of schools much more highly ranked than our own. Our school is grossly under-ranked by the USNWR, most likely because people like Mort Zuckerman (you know what I'm talking about) resent our Jesuit heritage.
If you want to trash a school, trash Cardozo, or Brooklyn. Fordham soars with the angels, in spite of Zuckerman's efforts.
Posted by: Fordham Pius XII | December 14, 2007 04:32 PM
Jesuit'ish?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:33 PM
What else do you expect from a law school filled with socialists?
Posted by: Estacio | December 14, 2007 04:35 PM
Zzzzz . . .
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:36 PM
4:35
socialists? you mean NY JAPs who couldn't get into YLS, HLS, or CLS
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:36 PM
Fordham Pius XII--you fucking NAZI
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:38 PM
NYU = overrated.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:40 PM
4:38
I support Israel, just not the USNWR. There's no need to make this thread nasty.
Posted by: Fordham Pius XII | December 14, 2007 04:40 PM
I can't believe someone would post this. It's so retarded.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:40 PM
Whats is the big deal about this school? I got into New York Law with a scholarship, but chose Hofstra because i want to work at a big law firm
Posted by: Hof1L | December 14, 2007 04:41 PM
Anon 4:26: Opus Dei? Your ignorance is truly impressive.
Posted by: Fordham Grad | December 14, 2007 04:42 PM
In all the excitement of defending my school's heritage, I nearly forgot why I decided to post in these comments to begin with:
Naming a course "Jesus & the Constitution" is borderline blasphemous coming from a school the likes of NYU.
Posted by: Fordham Pius XII | December 14, 2007 04:43 PM
Hof1L---damn good move
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:45 PM
NYU = TTT^TTT
Despite US News, it will always be the least well-respected T6 school.
Posted by: Anon | December 14, 2007 04:46 PM
Just to clarify, only one of the Fordham transfers to CLS this past year is a likeable human being. My guess is that 4:30 is the particular troll that no one could stand. Thank you CLS for taking them.
Posted by: Fordham 2L | December 14, 2007 04:49 PM
What's the relationship between New York University and New York Law School? I just want to make sure. Is that like the two Widener campuses?
Posted by: anon | December 14, 2007 04:51 PM
4:08 - yes, obviously they are TTT
4:26(1) - yeah right. Many of us, myself included, turned down CLS because there was no way I was going to the Upper West Side every day to go to class.
Posted by: NYU | December 14, 2007 04:51 PM
Fordham2L--you sound jealous that you couldn't make the grade at CLS
Posted by: COLUMBIA 2L | December 14, 2007 04:52 PM
Hof1L: yeah, New York Law and NYU Law ain't the same. Kthanxbi
Posted by: Itty Bitty TTT Committee | December 14, 2007 04:54 PM
UVA is the best!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 04:56 PM
There is NO relationship between NYU Law and New York Law School.
Also, everyone I know who goes to NYU also got into Columbia, and vice-versa. The ones who chose Columbia wanted clerkships or didn't go to an ivy undergrad, so hadn't had their fill of prestige-whoring. Those who chose NYU are actually fun people...
Posted by: Non-law student | December 14, 2007 04:57 PM
Columbia 2L,
You bastards need to retake contracts because I performed my end by letting the Dean perform on me and you bastards still didn't let me in.
Posted by: Fordham2L | December 14, 2007 04:58 PM
4:57 - *Everyone* at CLS got into NYU. ~50% of NYU got into CLS. Draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: Anon | December 14, 2007 05:00 PM
4:57 - I go to NYU and I'll be able to clerk for whoever I want. I think you'll probably hear about me on the front page in about 5 years when I get a clerkship with Alito.
Posted by: Estacio | December 14, 2007 05:00 PM
"The ones who chose Columbia wanted clerkships or didn't go to an ivy undergrad, so hadn't had their fill of prestige-whoring. Those who chose NYU are actually fun people..."
read the ones who went to CLS care about their legal career. The ones who went to NYU are JAPs who don't and their daddy is afraid they don't have the street smarts for the UWS
Posted by: Non-Law student | December 14, 2007 05:01 PM
sex is not good consideration. I bet even Loyola 2L knows that
Posted by: Fordham Blows | December 14, 2007 05:01 PM
Best exam time discussion ever
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:06 PM
I turned down HLS for NYU, and I know a bunch of other students here who did the same. Why? So we wouldn't be surrounded by stuck up, prestige whoring, douche bags!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:11 PM
Turned down HLS for NYU??? Why would you turn down Hofstra Law School? You could have gotten a free ride!
Posted by: Hof1L | December 14, 2007 05:15 PM
HofL1L brilliant yet again
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:18 PM
4:56 - agreed.
UVA is the best!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:20 PM
WTF is Hofstra? Is that accredited?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:20 PM
Hof1L for lawyer of the year!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:21 PM
Is New York a big city?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:22 PM
How can there be an easy A in law school? You are on a bell curve so your grade is relative to peers not how easy the material is.
No wonder they got rejected from CLS!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:26 PM
Fact. Cardozo pwns Fordham.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:28 PM
Genius @ 5:26 - There is not strict adherence to the curve and certain professors are known for disregarding it almost entirely. That would be an "easy" professor. Also, seminars are not subject to the curve at all and have widely varying work loads. Some of them may be relatively easy or hard.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:31 PM
I'd just like to point out that people who respond to any listserve postings like this are generally the biggest idiots (or worse) at any given school.
Also, the biggest difference between NYU and CLS is that NYU knows how to party. Hard.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:31 PM
The TTT listserv clusterf*cks were so much more entertaining.
Posted by: your mom | December 14, 2007 05:32 PM
V.G., 12:09 AM: Can I just ask one thing: What the fuck is going on here! Is this a form of e-Springer that I stumbled upon. What's next a coases request to see who someone's baby daddy is? God I haven't laughed so hard in on my computer since the last time i accidently downloaded tranny porn! Bravo, and let the ruckus continue.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:35 PM
5:32
What do you mean? This is a TTT listserv clusterf*ck.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:35 PM
NYU = Most fun you could have at a top 5 law school.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:36 PM
Law schools give out grades?
Posted by: yls | December 14, 2007 05:36 PM
All of this CLS trolling is going to be hilarious once they drop out of the T5.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:37 PM
Why do NYU students think they're such hot sh*t? NYU losers: you are law students at a top 5 law school. Objectively you are not cool! What a bunch of tools...
Posted by: Anon | December 14, 2007 05:38 PM
4:25,
And THANK GOD for that! I'll take an off-colored sense of humor, no matter how ludicrous, over a pompous douchebag any day, thanks.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:40 PM
5:37
how so? Even at #6 they will still have better clerkship and biglaw placement than NYU. See, Chicago pwning you now.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:41 PM
5:38 - Well put
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:42 PM
NYC to Handjobs for CLS kids, finally.
Posted by: NYU2L | December 14, 2007 05:44 PM
5:31 - Right on both counts.
Posted by: BigLaw NYU alum | December 14, 2007 05:50 PM
Fordham to Top 5!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:50 PM
Is NYC really a top 5 school? I'd rather go to Michigan or UVA
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:54 PM
Fordham to relevance!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:58 PM
5:54 - I have it on good word that "NYC" is a top 5 school, up there with Detroit and Weehawken.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 05:59 PM
I feel vindicated. The cumberland school of law listserv exchange wasn't nearly as bad as this one.
All of you that said cumberland sucks can go suck a fat one
Posted by: Cumberland 3L | December 14, 2007 06:03 PM
Are there any law grads (besides Rutgers grads) stupider than NYU grads. They are the singularly most unimpressive bunch of idiots at my firm.
Posted by: HLS grad | December 14, 2007 06:05 PM
I attended NYU Law on a significant scholarship. I wasn't too interested in academics as much as getting a professional license to earn a living with. But I have to say I learned a lot and enjoyed the experience more than I would have expected.
I wouldn't troll law schools because I think they're a means to an end. I think trolls in general are just pathetic and reek of self-esteem issues.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 06:11 PM
I'd like to point out that contrary to what you might infer from reading this thread, not all CLS kids are utter douches. At least not the ones I've met.
They'll probably overtake NYU on USN&WR eventually. And I will yawn.
Posted by: NYU 1L | December 14, 2007 06:12 PM
Lat,
How could you do this to your own school? where is the love?
Posted by: NYU3L | December 14, 2007 06:13 PM
I learned fried chicken at the school of hard knocks.
Posted by: Tracy Jordan | December 14, 2007 06:14 PM
4:25
"No matter how high it is ranked, it will never be ivy. This illustrates why."
Do you even understand what the Ivy Leauge is? Its an athletic conference and has nothing to do with rankings or academics.
People who went to non-ivy undergrad and ivy for law school, never f'ing understand this.
Posted by: what cant hang | December 14, 2007 06:15 PM
Agree with 6:15 on this one. That's why Stanford, Chicago, Berkeley > Cornell, Penn, Dartmouth (if they had a law school), etc.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 06:18 PM
how do you tell the difference between a CLS grad and a Hofstra grad?
you can't.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 06:18 PM
6:03 - at least this listserv clusterf**k contains some coherent academic conversation instead of the ramblings of some dumb bitch who couldn't find New York on a map
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 06:22 PM
Hofstra grads are cuter ;)
Posted by: Hof1L | December 14, 2007 06:23 PM
HLS Grad,
"Are there any law grads (besides Rutgers grads) stupider than NYU grads. "
Apparently, the answer is Harvard grads. Learn how to use a question mark.
Posted by: NYU 2L | December 14, 2007 06:53 PM
HY > CCS > NMV > BNP
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 06:56 PM
West Coast!!!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 06:57 PM
6:57
West Coast is for Koreans.
Get a clue.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 07:16 PM
NYU, CLS, Fordham, Cardozo? I would rather freeze to death.
We were out in the hottt sun reviewing our notes for our Torts final on South Beach.
UMiami will climb up USNWR.. wait in the winter cold and see..
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 07:26 PM
Yes, choosing a law school based on climate. Way to work that one through. Have fun doing insurance defense.
Posted by: Good Choice | December 14, 2007 07:55 PM
NYU grads suck at my firm too. the problem is we keep hiring assloads of them because they are local and we need bodies for doc review
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 08:29 PM
7:26 - OMG! Torts on the Beach! LOL
Posted by: D. Marvin Jones | December 14, 2007 08:51 PM
Don't get it twisted. Jones is soo raw...
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 09:17 PM
"Fordham 3L & soon-to-be AmLaw200 Assoc. " Congratualtions- I am fresh out of gold stars but here is a pile of boilerplate to go through bitch. Be sure to make me aware of any formatting inconsistences.
Posted by: Congratulations | December 14, 2007 10:23 PM
"Fordham 3L & soon-to-be AmLaw200 Assoc. " Congratualtions- I am fresh out of gold stars but here is a pile of boilerplate to go through bitch. Be sure to make me aware of any formatting inconsistences.
Posted by: Congratulations | December 14, 2007 10:24 PM
To all the people saying the NYU grads at their firm are stupid (and it's probably just 1 troll over and over again): perhaps you work at a mediocre firm that scrapes the bottom of the NYU class for new associates every year?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 10:45 PM
Cornell has a ton of this crap on the listservs, mostly from 1Ls (who could not imagine that the rest of us have been through it as well), and then upperclassmen who can't leave behind high school--which is weird, b/c I am sure they were considered half as clever as they perceive themselves back then too. Idiots exist at every law school, LSAT scores aren't everything, and your school has nothing to do with how good a lawyer you'll be.
Posted by: Owen | December 14, 2007 11:11 PM
Please note that KT did not and does not go to NYU Law. I saw some people from lesser law schools making statements that suggested that they thought she did. Please re-read, in much the same way that you had to re-read the reading comp essays on the lsat.
Posted by: NYU LAW 3L | December 14, 2007 11:20 PM
The international law joke was pretty outstanding.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 11:56 PM
NYU is so new money. Gross.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 12:05 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/12/14/the-law-blog-lawyer-of-the-year-the-nominees
Posted by: support Loyola 2L | December 15, 2007 12:15 AM
I think many of the comments here are much stupider than the those on the NYU listserv. Get over yourselves, people.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 01:29 AM
11:20PM: That made me laugh out loud haha. Nice one.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 02:52 AM
"AmLAw 200? Here is a brief list of comparable accomplishments:
1. Owning a gently used Toyota Corolla.
2. Getting to second base with a girl one time, (your cousin).
3. Almost missing the dogshit on the sidewalk.
4. Getting a robo-call from the Ron Paul campaign.
5. Graduating from Fordham Law School."
LMAO! I'll only accomplish number 5, and I'm STILL less likely to pass the bar than a Dozo. Maybe the papists above will help me out? Fordham to the Vatican!
Posted by: Model-T + Canned Meat = My Law School | December 15, 2007 11:40 AM
All students know how to party. The idea that students chose NYU because they were better at partying is absurd. If you really want to party, you should go to Duke Law . . . if you know what I mean.
Posted by: Duke Lacross | December 15, 2007 12:06 PM
Those guys really know how to party - getting railroaded for a terrible crime that nobody even committed. W00t! Keg stands, brah!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 12:38 PM
D*mnit, where's the coke? *Vomits* Puke and rally bros! WE PRE-GAME HARDER THAN CLS PARTIES!!!
Posted by: Average NYU Law Student | December 15, 2007 01:04 PM
NYU law students are really f**ken retarded. I think CLS, Fordham, and even Loyola, have brighter and more witted law students than the dumb dimwits at NYU. The posting of this blog speaks for itself how dumb NYU law students can be.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 01:17 PM
Whoever the hell K.T. is, that person made a wonderful f**ken point to begin with. Kudos to K.T. I think the NYU law students are pissed off at the fact that somebody revealed some truth about how lazy these knuckleheads are, I dont think NYU Law school should ever qualified as the next ivy law school. it seems that the NYU students are ignorant and obnoxious.!
Posted by: Duke Lacross | December 15, 2007 01:21 PM
Fordham Pius XII | December 14, 2007 04:24 PM
Seriously? Does anyone who goes to Fordham think they are going to a good school? The only reason why it jumped in the USN&WR rankings in the last few years is that all the people that COULDN'T get in to NYU/Columbia but wanted to be in NYC started applying and raising the LSAT median.
A jump in admission scores doesn't change the fact that it doesn't belong in the top tier.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 01:37 PM
NYU Law students think just because their school is in the top 5, they are inclined to say that they dont have to do sh*t and still manage to earn high paying jobs... WTF, stupid ass kids. Duke rules! we know how to work hard and party hard! unlike nyu, shit all day and party hard too, LOSERS! A BIG EMPHATIC YES! LOSERS THEY ARE>
Posted by: Duke Lacross | December 15, 2007 01:41 PM
1:37 is a perfect example of the shallowness and arrogance of many law students. I am lucky to be at CLS and proud of my accomplishments, but I don't look down on other schools because of it. It is unfortunate that people like 1:37 give the rest of us a bad name by maligning other students who are working hard to get their degree.
It is no wonder that older attorneys often comment on the decline of the legal profession -- they must be ashamed of the younger generation's petty squabbling and self-righteousness.
Posted by: CLS 3L | December 15, 2007 02:20 PM
Yes, I can certainly agree that older attorneys often comment on the decline of the legal profession. The younger generation thinks they know it all without a sense of what the law profession truly epitomizes.
I want to particularly comment on what (K.T.) said above that there are no short cuts to get easy As. Any law school that has the ability to giving out easy As wouldn't qualify to have high standards. If that were to be the case, then where's the prestige in that respect? It is clearly indicative of the fact that these law students are just trying to hop on the fast lane to make quick money with their ESQ title and only money without regard for the legal aspect of society.
It is hilarious in the sense that they would even post something benign as this on here. I have totally changed my view toward NYU Law School for the worst.
Posted by: CLS 2L | December 15, 2007 02:46 PM
Speaking of which, i am an intern at a law firm residing in Chicago. There are about 3 lawyers who graduated from NYU Law and they are like the dumbest attorneys here compared to the rest.
Posted by: Loyola Rocks | December 15, 2007 02:58 PM
1:37
That is one of the most childish things I've ever read on ATL - which is saying a lot.
Even youre reasoning is flawed. A lot of excellent students do not get in to CLS or NYU...and if they are going to Fordham, that means Fordham is getting excellent students, is very competitive, and of course is a top tier law school. What makes a law school a good law school is its students...not some sort of tradition about being the best and/or sense of entitlement which you seem to express. Youve said that Fordham is getting students who are raising the median LSAT and GPA - but that doesnt make it a top tier law school. Are you serious? Is that your argument? What f'ing law school do you go to, making an idiotic argument like that?
Also, please lets not forget that the difference between students at CLS, NYU v. Fordham, GW, and Emory-ranked schools is about 5-7 points on the LSAT. I go to Emory and would put my undergrad record, and those of my classmates, up against any other law school.
Posted by: emory2L | December 15, 2007 03:01 PM
Anon 1:37 - You are a moron. Fordham has had high LSATs and GPAs for years and has been consistently under-ranked by USN&WR. Get back to document review.
And good for you, CLS 3L - a rare dose of law student civility!
Posted by: Anon | December 15, 2007 03:03 PM
Emory 2L -
According to your school's website, the difference between the median entering student at CLS/NYU and Emory is 8 LSAT points and 0.3 tenths of a GPA point. Those are HUGE differences. Emory is a respectable school, but entering students have substantially less impressive entrance qualifications than CLS/NYU students.
Posted by: CCN 1L | December 15, 2007 03:09 PM
I meant 3 tenths of a GPA point, not 0.3 tenths of a GPA point.
Posted by: CCN 1L | December 15, 2007 03:13 PM
CCN 1L (what is CCN?)
Since you have so much time - could you please cross-check that against the info on GW and Fordham's websites as well. Then please aggregate the numbers...jesus, I was making a general statement.
My point being, many students at GW, Emory, Fordham are students who did not get into T14 schools but would have had their LSAT scores been slightly higher.
And Im not claiming Emory is as good as those schools either.
Posted by: emory2L | December 15, 2007 03:35 PM
In light of all this drama, I want to make a personal statement to all law students, regardless of what law school you attended or currently attending.
I graduated from a top law school (not going to brag) and let me tell you that I busted my ass literally to get where I am today and landed an admirable position at McKinsey & Company, which I am proud to brag. What I do not merely understand is the fact that why such nyu law students would criticize someone like K.T. so harshly when all that person did was just voicing her opinion. There was no need to involve the person's history into the picture. I think she clearly made perfect sense that you need to work hard, challenge yourself, and apply the acquired knowledge that you were most willing to challenge and absorb and eventually have conquered - all for the better to become a well-rounded law professional. Pointing out a person's bio and petty flaw bears no relevance to the matter she firmly confronted.
With all this being said, I congrat to all those who say they work hard and continue to challenge themselves in and outside of the classroom. It all comes down to between how much you know and what others don't, because it's what separates you from rest.
Posted by: Law Grad '95 | December 15, 2007 03:47 PM
Ahhh CCN = Chicago, Columbia, NYU....thats cute how you guys group your schools together.
Is there a YHS v. CCN dungeons and dragons competition annually or bi-annually?
Posted by: emory2L | December 15, 2007 03:49 PM
Law Grad '95 has to be flame. Nobody that graduated from a top law school and worked for McKinsey could be THAT terrible of a writer.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 04:10 PM
YHS v CCN = dungeon and dragon competition?
We would totally rule without question
Posted by: CLS 2L | December 15, 2007 04:12 PM
Agreed. And as such, his statement should be disregarded in its entirety.
Posted by: anonymous | December 15, 2007 04:14 PM
to 1:37
Fordham is a reputable law school. What f*** law school do you go to?
Posted by: Anon | December 15, 2007 04:16 PM
emory2L, your point is that many students at GW, Emory, and Fordham would have gotten into the T14 if their LSAT scores were higher? that is an excellent point that i feel is lost on most people. keep up the good work.
law grad '95, you work at McKinsey & Company? incredible! if i send you my address and 10 bucks, can you send me an autograph?
nyu grads are the stupidest at my firm too, well except for the cornell and wustl grads. let's start trolling for those 2 schools!
i have no idea why i posted this. probably crabby from studying all day.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 04:18 PM
4:18, slightly higher....
and judging by the way people from YHSCCN slam other schools as crap and students at those schools as inferior --- i think YES maybe it is lost on most people...at least those people.
Posted by: emory2L | December 15, 2007 04:25 PM
what's your opinion on west coast law schools, say stanford, UCLA, compared to the schools on the east?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 04:27 PM
emory2L
Brilliant! All law schools = Yale Law because had their students' LSAT and GPAs been higher they would have gotten in. Where is my clerkship and cushy academia position?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 04:28 PM
Let me repeat one of my earlier posts:
"NYU lacks the class and sophistication to be admitted to the ranks among Cornell"
Bravo!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 04:34 PM
4:28, Not my point at all.
POINT: dont treat those schools as if theyre crap, or theyre students as if theyre inferior just because of a 3-4 percentile difference in the LSAT - chances are they scored pretty close to what you scored.
and they dont give clerkships or cushy academia positions to overly sarcastic jerkoffs who miss the point and jump to conclusions
Posted by: emory 2L | December 15, 2007 04:35 PM
4:35
YHS = CCN = Emory,GW,Fordham = Cardozo,Case,Baylor = ... = shit
Thus according to the transitive property YHS = shit
(glad I don't go there)
Posted by: Hof1L | December 15, 2007 04:43 PM
Penis
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 04:43 PM
Balls
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 04:46 PM
All law shmucks who attend YHS CCN = CRAP IN MY ASS
Posted by: Hof1L | December 15, 2007 04:48 PM
Hofstra rules!
Posted by: Hof1L | December 15, 2007 04:50 PM
funny this started as Columbia v NYU and as soon as lesser law schools started to say they were equal to the CCN it became CCN v TTTers. Got to love human nature
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 05:06 PM
Why do NYU students think they're such hot sh*t? NYU losers: you are law students at a top 5 law school. Objectively you are not cool! What a bunch of tools...
Posted by: Anon | December 15, 2007 05:06 PM
do NYU law students ever throw themselves out of school windows and off the ledges of the Bobst library, or is that the exclusive province of undergrads? LOL
if the latter, they might want to rethink that tradition.
Posted by: fordham | December 15, 2007 05:07 PM
to 5: 06
Asshole, don't get mad because you got rejected from NYU.
Posted by: nyu law 2L | December 15, 2007 05:09 PM
We are the best, actually even better than columbia, both socially and academically. boo in your face! we basically rule the state of new york.
Posted by: nyu law 2L | December 15, 2007 05:11 PM
agreed to the fullest extent.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 05:13 PM
1Ls please discuss the following hypo:
NYU 1L having just bombed exams decides to jump off Bobst. Tragically landing on Happy Herman's new BMW. Happy's insurance company refuses to pay citing he must recover from NYU 1L's family... ok this is boring back to studying
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 05:15 PM
5:06
no one said fordham, gw, emory were equal to CCN. youve got us there buddy.
but, chances are we could whip the shit out of you and break your thickrim glasses in the process.
Posted by: anon | December 15, 2007 05:20 PM
5:06
no one said fordham, gw, emory were equal to CCN. youve got us there buddy.
but, chances are we could whip the shit out of you and break your thickrim glasses in the process.
Posted by: anon | December 15, 2007 05:20 PM
emory2l
your right everyone at Emory has similar GPAs to people in T14. Only difference is people in T14 have 3.7s from HYP (and a couple token 4.0 from southern state schools) while Emory has 3.7s from southern state schools
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 05:26 PM
FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 05:28 PM
5:26
learn to type and hope you enjoy the cold. I'll be at K&S and banging my hot, blond, Southern, trophy wife pool side year round while you're stuck in a 1 bedroom closet with some boss' daughter JAP who doesn't put out unless you buy her something
Posted by: Emory RULES! | December 15, 2007 05:32 PM
I graduated from Emory last year - we do NOT have a lot of southerners.
Far more people from NY/Long Island than from the south.
And southern state schools? Not many. Vast majority went to northern private schools. We get more people from Cornell, Penn, and Michigan than we do from University of Georgia.
Posted by: anon | December 15, 2007 05:40 PM
is NYU a prestigious firm?
Posted by: anon | December 15, 2007 05:52 PM
5:32, that has to be the lamest "insult" I've heard in a long time. It's hard to imagine normal people writing something like that. Especially when anyone can move to the south
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 06:22 PM
Emory 2L -
While you might think it's 'cute', lumping Chicago, Columbia, and NYU together is a lot more defensible than lumping Emory in with GW and Fordham.
Best regards -
Someone more prestigious than you
Posted by: CCN 2L | December 15, 2007 08:08 PM
8:08
Agreed. Fordham is a much better school than either Emory or GW.
NYC schools outclass their nearest ranked competitors in ways that no bumpkin from DC, the south, or any of those god-forsaken landlocked heartland schools will ever understand.
...except for Brooklyn, Cardozo, and St. Johns, which are TTT rip-offs.
Posted by: Proud Fordham Alumus | December 15, 2007 08:23 PM
how is this thread still going?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 08:43 PM
Emory2L
Look, I wasn't trying to start a flame war between CCN and Fordham, GW, and Emory. I was only stating (properly) that the difference between NYU/CLS students and Emory students is significantly greater than 5-7 LSAT points. There's really no serious debate about that. If LSAT and GPA mean anything, 8:08 is right in that you're overestimating the caliber of Emory students by grouping them with GW and Fordham.
For what it's worth, I'll re-state that I think you attend an objectively good school.
Posted by: CCN 1L | December 15, 2007 08:58 PM
Emory is higher ranked than fordham, ranked equally to GW, and also ranked the #1 most underrated lawschool by USN&WR.
We pull students from all over the country and we send them all over the country - in this way we are extremely unique for schools ranked 15-30.
I feel quite comfortable lumping Emory in with GW and Fordham. I got in to both of those schools and chose Emory. Why? Because I didnt know where I wanted to practice - Emory does better nationwide than both Fordham or GW.
If those mean comments about emory came from someone who goes to GW or Fordham - two schools i have great respect for - well then at least i dont have to walk around my city sporting a #3 (fordham) or #2 (gw) on my sweatshirt.
CCN 1L - your other points are well taken. Thank you for your stamp of approval on Emory Law - it really means a lot to me.
Posted by: emory2L | December 15, 2007 09:25 PM
yeah, but you have to wear a shirt that says Atlanta rather than the nation's political or financial capital.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 09:31 PM
What's a TTT/TTS?
Posted by: anon | December 15, 2007 09:39 PM
enough with this shit already. stop comparing each other school's rank against one another... be fucken glad you are even in law school... shit, are you guys going to continue dragging this mess about who goes to a better school.. who fucken cares!
Posted by: anon | December 15, 2007 09:43 PM
anon goes to 4th tier!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 09:47 PM
There is likely a strong correlation between being a prestige whore and having a very small penis. It would explain a lot really...
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 09:52 PM
I go to Brooklyn Law. anyone wants to make a smart comment?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 09:57 PM
Why you don't hear enough of them at BLS?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 09:59 PM
bravo 9:59
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 10:59 PM
9:59 -
Come to BLS and I'll personally give you a tour. I don't even think you have guts to come to Brooklyn.
Posted by: BLS 2L | December 15, 2007 11:25 PM
To All Above,
If you want to get in meaningless debates about whose school is better, go to XO.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 11:33 PM
"I don't even think you have guts to come to Brooklyn."
When did Brooklyn become the dangerous part of NY?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 11:44 PM
For all those who do not attend IVY LAW SCHOOLS, clearly there's no competition, PERIOD.
Posted by: IVY GRAD | December 16, 2007 12:03 AM
I also want to add that that the ivy law students do not even intend to get involved with such mess on this blog simply because we can careless. Thank God we don't have to deal with this insanity about whose school is better.
cheers to all my fellow ivies!
Posted by: IVY GRAD | December 16, 2007 12:07 AM
Is it more prestigious to go to IVY undergrad TTT law school or TTT undergrad IVY lawschool?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 12:15 AM
It is more prestigious to go to both IVY UNDERGRAD AND IVY LAW SCHOOL.
Posted by: IVY GRAD | December 16, 2007 12:18 AM
I went to Darmouth for my undergrad and Yale for law. Now, who can top that?
NYU LAW? NO
FORDHAM? HELL NO
EMORY? SADLY NO
BLS? OUT OF THE PLANET
GW? You know the answer
Posted by: IVY GRAD | December 16, 2007 12:20 AM
Well, I was only Yale undergrad, Skull and Bones, and Yale Law with law review and SC clerkship...
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 12:25 AM
screw all you ivies, small penis!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 12:30 AM
Damn, is everyone who posts on this site really that dissatisfied with their lives? Quit comparing the size of your dic.. er, reputation of your law schools, and just be happy with yourself. You could be living in the ghetto, but instead you're in law school or a lawyer. Have a bit of perspective people.
Posted by: aghast | December 16, 2007 12:34 AM
Aghast got a small penis and is in the 10th tier.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 12:36 AM
pwned
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 12:41 AM
Americans make me puke, I can just vomit all over the fucken states, mate.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 12:42 AM
I feel sorry for the FIVE of you who did all the posting pretending to be different people. Get a life.
Posted by: aghast | December 16, 2007 12:43 AM
Dartmouth then Yale for law school?
That sounds like an awesome 7 years.
4 years in Hanover, followed by three in New Haven. Crazy times.
Sorry if Im not jealous of you dude, thats a 10th of your life spent living in shit towns.
Shout out to Cornell, best mix of party and academics in the ivy - not showing off, not falling behind - proud to be an alum. Cornellians know what im talking about.
I dont go to either of these schools and could never get in...but why in gods name would you EVER go to Yale over Harvard for law school?
Boston v. New Haven...seriously
Posted by: 3 years in shit town = not worth it | December 16, 2007 12:44 AM
Did CLS used to be good? Or was that only until they opened Cardozo?
Posted by: Ig'nant | December 16, 2007 01:31 AM
"extremely unique"
oh god, shut up...
Posted by: Fordham 3L | December 16, 2007 02:43 AM
This is quite possibly the most thoughtless, immature and altogether vile thread that ATL had the dishonor of hosting.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 03:57 AM
3:57 - Welcome to the party. Can I take your coat?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 03:59 AM
Guys in my high school used to have long, drawn out, prestige fights about the law schools they went to all the time, it was no big deal.
Posted by: Frat Stud | December 16, 2007 09:32 AM
12:44 - subtle anti-cornell trolling
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 09:58 AM
w00t!
Posted by: W0rd 0f the year | December 16, 2007 11:04 AM
December 14, 4:35 and 5:00. Why are you signing your posts as Estacio and claiming to be me?
I am the only Estacio at NYU.
Posted by: The Real Estacio | December 16, 2007 11:20 AM
Entertaining to watch the bickering. The beauty is that those in the top schools that bother to defend their schools reps remain insecure. HA! Those in lower schools arguing that they aren't that different still can't distinguish fact from fiction. HA! Those in either school that stay out of the squabble or just find this amusing (myself included) continue to enjoy life.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 11:28 AM
"Top five school" - lol @ subtle NYU trolling!
Posted by: Warrant | December 16, 2007 11:49 AM
Law school prestige rankings
1. yale
2. harvard
3. stanford
4. columbia
5. chicago
6. nyu
7. uva/upenn
Agreed?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 11:52 AM
agreed
Posted by: Everyone | December 16, 2007 12:14 PM
It’s true—NYU lacks prestige.
I’m sure my layman friends and relatives would have been a lot more impressed if I’d accepted the offers from Columbia, Cornell, Michigan, Duke, etc.
But considering that it’s ranked 4th by USN&WR’s formula without any circularly reinforcing “peer assessment” criterion propping it up, how much better must it actually be in terms of actually student and faculty quality?
The top five is a country club aghast that a no-name school like NYU would crash the party solely by virtue of talent and ambition.
Posted by: NYU 1L | December 16, 2007 03:13 PM
it's wonderful to see such highly intellectual beings participating in such a pointless controversy, not to mention immature discussion about whose school is better! i guess they're not so bright after all, totally lack common sense.
Posted by: Anon | December 16, 2007 03:27 PM
Chicago is a dinosaur in decline coasting on reputation it built 30 years ago. It's the next Michigan.
The only part of Columbia that's in the Ivy League is their undergraduate football team. That's no reason to choose a law school. Their buildings are ugly and in the ghetto, which is why the best professors come to NYU, among the other quality of life benefits. They keep their numbers propped up by admitting a homogeneous student body interested in corporate shilling.
Soon the top three will be Yale, Harvard, NYU.
Posted by: Reality | December 16, 2007 05:18 PM
NYU WILL BE THE NEXT IVY LEAGUE BITCHES!
Posted by: Reality | December 16, 2007 05:30 PM
You're all a bunch of wankers with small wee-wees.
Posted by: Reality | December 16, 2007 05:36 PM
NYU is not top 5. USN&WR don't make it so.
Posted by: Dude | December 16, 2007 06:03 PM
Yes, NYU LAW will be one of the top 3 in 5 years.
We basically dominate the state of New York.
Posted by: NYU 3L | December 16, 2007 06:07 PM
I have an enormous penis -- circa 11 inches, and thick. But I have tiny balls.
Picture a Pringles can with two peanut M&Ms strapped to it. That's about what we're dealing with here.
Oh, and I go to NYU, where I use my quasi-elite status to plug needy Fordham girls with my Pringles-can cock.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 06:57 PM
Agreed. We have power, looks, smarts, style, and most importantly, status. Now what?
Posted by: NYU 2L | December 16, 2007 09:33 PM
I have an enormous penis -- circa 11 inches, and thick. But I have tiny balls.
Picture a Pringles can with two peanut M&Ms strapped to it. That's about what we're dealing with here.
Oh, and I go to NYU, where I use my quasi-elite status to plug needy Fordham girls with my Pringles-can cock.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2007 10:17 PM
While it i