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Because Listserv Clusterf**ks Happen at Top Five Schools, Too

New York University Law School NYU Law School Above the Law.JPGLaw school list serve trainwrecks are a staple here at ATL. We've written about several -- see, e.g., Cumberland Law School; Washington University School of Law -- and they tend to be popular with readers.

A student at NYU Law School brought a recent listserv debacle to our attention:

[This listserve controversy] touches on many law school and other legal topics. They include grades, finals, state vs. T14 schools, Jesus, the Constitution, Jesus vs. the Constitution, and [people] who were arrested at Harvard [see April 24, 2:21 AM entry] and feel the need to announce it to the whole law school.

Perhaps it's just exam stress all around, but having just taken my crim pro final earlier today, the last bit made things extra hilarious.

The reader then included several emails from the thread. But fortunately for us, another NYU law student already collected and posted them over here (which saves us the trouble of cutting and pasting).

More after the jump.

A few excerpts of the excerpts:

Initial message: ... I decided to compile a list of the easiest professors at NYU Law for those of us who: 1. want an easy A, and 2. don't care about the grade and just want a B without doing a thing.

N.C., 5:31 PM: Does your mom still teach here? Because I heard that she's REALLY easy... Best wishes trying to avoid learning in law school.

K.T., 7:05 PM: If you came to NYU Law school thinking to take shortcuts to get easy As as opposed to taking classes that you would find challenging and helpful to your understanding of law practices, here's my nugget advice: save the money and go to a state law school.

J.S., 8:13 PM: Dear Ms. [K.T.], .... We come to NYU to take made-up classes like "Jesus & the Constitution," "Inter-Animal Contracts," and "International Law." Coming to NYU for anything than intellectual masturbation or an easy job is a waste of money.

If you're in the market for "intellectual masturbation," this listserve exchange should be right up your alley. Read more over here.

Update: The blogger behind thisisnewyork did not reprint in full this exchange, involving "K.T." (who is, by the way, not at the law school):

D.D.: Where were you [KT] on April 24th at 2:21 AM? http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=507482

K.T., 12:02 AM: My boyfriend cheated on me and I went to confront the girl. Big deal! I am sure the ladies here would do the same.

T.H., 12:03 AM: One would think that you'd confront the boyfriend, but so it goes.

D.F., 12:04 AM: Whooo! I'm going to need one of those gigantic movie theater sodas to go with that popcorn...

Coases list [thisisnewyork]
Police Log [Harvard Crimson]


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this really isn't worth posting about. the only interesting aspect of the whole thing is that the most obnoxious poster, "K.T." is not an NYU law student at all. (Anyone with an @nyu.edu email can subscribe to the listserv in question).

Isn't NYU a state school?

Going to a good law school sounds like a party. Everyone's is carefree and making off colored jokes.
You won't find such things at Loyola. Everyone here is serious and dour, and worried about our futures.

I like this one:

"Ninjas? Are you crazy? Everyone knows pirates are so much better. Only ninjas go to NYU for easy As. Pirates go to learn how to rule the world. Besides, ninjas were responsible for the power outage a few weeks ago."


NYC to 5 bottles of rum!!!

What's wrong with an f'in state school?

Boalt, Michigan, UVA = TTS? Don't think so.

I got into NYU but went to Berkeley because back then, it was dirt cheap. No regrets.

So pathetic.

No, NYU is "a private university in the public service."

Dear NYU,

I have read your listserve, am underwhelmed by your attempt at wit, and will next year rank you below CLS, a school with class.

Respectfully yours,

U.S.N.&W.R.

do NYU law students ever throw themselves out of school windows and off the ledges of the Bobst library, or is that the exclusive province of undergrads?

if the latter, they might want to rethink that tradition.

I think they are referring to Brooklyn or Fordham as state schools.

Is there really a law school course on "Inter-Animal Contracts"?

Yeah its contracts between Fordham and Brooklyn law students

AmLAw 200? Here is a brief list of comparable accomplishments:

1. Owning a gently used Toyota Corolla.
2. Getting to second base with a girl one time, (your cousin).
3. Almost missing the dogshit on the sidewalk.
4. Getting a robo-call from the Ron Paul campaign.
5. Graduating from Fordham Law School.

NYU is the weak link of the CNN tier

NYU sucks in so many ways. All the idiots at my firm went to school there.

"what knowledge and tools are you equipped with when you're in Congress"

People from NYU are electable, much less elected?

Boalt is definitely top tier - Michigan and UVA rightfully fall in TT slots

Fordham is an*amazing* school. Try transferring here after your first year. You can't! Admissions are *extremely* competitive, and no one ever drops out!

I went here because of its Jesuit heritage, and I'm proud!!!

No matter how high it is ranked, it will never be ivy. This illustrates why.

4:17 (aka the clueless douche):

neither brooklyn nor fordham are state schools.

What else do you expect from a school full of CLS rejects?

Unless you are Opus Dei, doesn't make sense to go to Fordham. Why would anyone try to transfer there unless of course you scored in the lower 25th percentile on the LSAT.

The emails seem to give the impression that NYU students are by and large pretty grounded and not so serious about everything. Kudos!

Um, Jesuit heritage? Have you not realized that 60% of the school is Jewish?

4:24--You must be brainwashed--I transferred to CLS this year from Fordham along with 5 others all in the top 20 of the class.

oh yes 4:25, surely NYU lacks the class and sophistication to be admitted to the ranks among Cornell.

4:26

Fordham LSAT scores are competitive with scores of schools much more highly ranked than our own. Our school is grossly under-ranked by the USNWR, most likely because people like Mort Zuckerman (you know what I'm talking about) resent our Jesuit heritage.

If you want to trash a school, trash Cardozo, or Brooklyn. Fordham soars with the angels, in spite of Zuckerman's efforts.

Jesuit'ish?

What else do you expect from a law school filled with socialists?

Zzzzz . . .

4:35
socialists? you mean NY JAPs who couldn't get into YLS, HLS, or CLS

Fordham Pius XII--you fucking NAZI

NYU = overrated.

4:38

I support Israel, just not the USNWR. There's no need to make this thread nasty.

I can't believe someone would post this. It's so retarded.

Whats is the big deal about this school? I got into New York Law with a scholarship, but chose Hofstra because i want to work at a big law firm

Anon 4:26: Opus Dei? Your ignorance is truly impressive.

In all the excitement of defending my school's heritage, I nearly forgot why I decided to post in these comments to begin with:

Naming a course "Jesus & the Constitution" is borderline blasphemous coming from a school the likes of NYU.

Hof1L---damn good move

NYU = TTT^TTT

Despite US News, it will always be the least well-respected T6 school.

Just to clarify, only one of the Fordham transfers to CLS this past year is a likeable human being. My guess is that 4:30 is the particular troll that no one could stand. Thank you CLS for taking them.

What's the relationship between New York University and New York Law School? I just want to make sure. Is that like the two Widener campuses?

4:08 - yes, obviously they are TTT

4:26(1) - yeah right. Many of us, myself included, turned down CLS because there was no way I was going to the Upper West Side every day to go to class.

Fordham2L--you sound jealous that you couldn't make the grade at CLS

Hof1L: yeah, New York Law and NYU Law ain't the same. Kthanxbi

UVA is the best!

There is NO relationship between NYU Law and New York Law School.

Also, everyone I know who goes to NYU also got into Columbia, and vice-versa. The ones who chose Columbia wanted clerkships or didn't go to an ivy undergrad, so hadn't had their fill of prestige-whoring. Those who chose NYU are actually fun people...

Columbia 2L,

You bastards need to retake contracts because I performed my end by letting the Dean perform on me and you bastards still didn't let me in.

4:57 - *Everyone* at CLS got into NYU. ~50% of NYU got into CLS. Draw your own conclusions.

4:57 - I go to NYU and I'll be able to clerk for whoever I want. I think you'll probably hear about me on the front page in about 5 years when I get a clerkship with Alito.

"The ones who chose Columbia wanted clerkships or didn't go to an ivy undergrad, so hadn't had their fill of prestige-whoring. Those who chose NYU are actually fun people..."
read the ones who went to CLS care about their legal career. The ones who went to NYU are JAPs who don't and their daddy is afraid they don't have the street smarts for the UWS

sex is not good consideration. I bet even Loyola 2L knows that

Best exam time discussion ever

I turned down HLS for NYU, and I know a bunch of other students here who did the same. Why? So we wouldn't be surrounded by stuck up, prestige whoring, douche bags!

Turned down HLS for NYU??? Why would you turn down Hofstra Law School? You could have gotten a free ride!

HofL1L brilliant yet again

4:56 - agreed.

UVA is the best!

WTF is Hofstra? Is that accredited?

Hof1L for lawyer of the year!

Is New York a big city?

How can there be an easy A in law school? You are on a bell curve so your grade is relative to peers not how easy the material is.

No wonder they got rejected from CLS!

Fact. Cardozo pwns Fordham.

Genius @ 5:26 - There is not strict adherence to the curve and certain professors are known for disregarding it almost entirely. That would be an "easy" professor. Also, seminars are not subject to the curve at all and have widely varying work loads. Some of them may be relatively easy or hard.

I'd just like to point out that people who respond to any listserve postings like this are generally the biggest idiots (or worse) at any given school.

Also, the biggest difference between NYU and CLS is that NYU knows how to party. Hard.

The TTT listserv clusterf*cks were so much more entertaining.

V.G., 12:09 AM: Can I just ask one thing: What the fuck is going on here! Is this a form of e-Springer that I stumbled upon. What's next a coases request to see who someone's baby daddy is? God I haven't laughed so hard in on my computer since the last time i accidently downloaded tranny porn! Bravo, and let the ruckus continue.

5:32

What do you mean? This is a TTT listserv clusterf*ck.

NYU = Most fun you could have at a top 5 law school.

Law schools give out grades?

All of this CLS trolling is going to be hilarious once they drop out of the T5.

Why do NYU students think they're such hot sh*t? NYU losers: you are law students at a top 5 law school. Objectively you are not cool! What a bunch of tools...

4:25,

And THANK GOD for that! I'll take an off-colored sense of humor, no matter how ludicrous, over a pompous douchebag any day, thanks.

5:37

how so? Even at #6 they will still have better clerkship and biglaw placement than NYU. See, Chicago pwning you now.

5:38 - Well put

NYC to Handjobs for CLS kids, finally.

5:31 - Right on both counts.

Fordham to Top 5!

Is NYC really a top 5 school? I'd rather go to Michigan or UVA

Fordham to relevance!

5:54 - I have it on good word that "NYC" is a top 5 school, up there with Detroit and Weehawken.

I feel vindicated. The cumberland school of law listserv exchange wasn't nearly as bad as this one.

All of you that said cumberland sucks can go suck a fat one

Are there any law grads (besides Rutgers grads) stupider than NYU grads. They are the singularly most unimpressive bunch of idiots at my firm.

I attended NYU Law on a significant scholarship. I wasn't too interested in academics as much as getting a professional license to earn a living with. But I have to say I learned a lot and enjoyed the experience more than I would have expected.

I wouldn't troll law schools because I think they're a means to an end. I think trolls in general are just pathetic and reek of self-esteem issues.

I'd like to point out that contrary to what you might infer from reading this thread, not all CLS kids are utter douches. At least not the ones I've met.

They'll probably overtake NYU on USN&WR eventually. And I will yawn.

Lat,

How could you do this to your own school? where is the love?

I learned fried chicken at the school of hard knocks.

4:25

"No matter how high it is ranked, it will never be ivy. This illustrates why."

Do you even understand what the Ivy Leauge is? Its an athletic conference and has nothing to do with rankings or academics.

People who went to non-ivy undergrad and ivy for law school, never f'ing understand this.

Agree with 6:15 on this one. That's why Stanford, Chicago, Berkeley > Cornell, Penn, Dartmouth (if they had a law school), etc.

how do you tell the difference between a CLS grad and a Hofstra grad?

you can't.

6:03 - at least this listserv clusterf**k contains some coherent academic conversation instead of the ramblings of some dumb bitch who couldn't find New York on a map

Hofstra grads are cuter ;)

HLS Grad,

"Are there any law grads (besides Rutgers grads) stupider than NYU grads. "

Apparently, the answer is Harvard grads. Learn how to use a question mark.

HY > CCS > NMV > BNP

West Coast!!!

6:57

West Coast is for Koreans.

Get a clue.

NYU, CLS, Fordham, Cardozo? I would rather freeze to death.

We were out in the hottt sun reviewing our notes for our Torts final on South Beach.

UMiami will climb up USNWR.. wait in the winter cold and see..

Yes, choosing a law school based on climate. Way to work that one through. Have fun doing insurance defense.

NYU grads suck at my firm too. the problem is we keep hiring assloads of them because they are local and we need bodies for doc review

7:26 - OMG! Torts on the Beach! LOL

Don't get it twisted. Jones is soo raw...

"Fordham 3L & soon-to-be AmLaw200 Assoc. " Congratualtions- I am fresh out of gold stars but here is a pile of boilerplate to go through bitch. Be sure to make me aware of any formatting inconsistences.

"Fordham 3L & soon-to-be AmLaw200 Assoc. " Congratualtions- I am fresh out of gold stars but here is a pile of boilerplate to go through bitch. Be sure to make me aware of any formatting inconsistences.

To all the people saying the NYU grads at their firm are stupid (and it's probably just 1 troll over and over again): perhaps you work at a mediocre firm that scrapes the bottom of the NYU class for new associates every year?

Cornell has a ton of this crap on the listservs, mostly from 1Ls (who could not imagine that the rest of us have been through it as well), and then upperclassmen who can't leave behind high school--which is weird, b/c I am sure they were considered half as clever as they perceive themselves back then too. Idiots exist at every law school, LSAT scores aren't everything, and your school has nothing to do with how good a lawyer you'll be.

Please note that KT did not and does not go to NYU Law. I saw some people from lesser law schools making statements that suggested that they thought she did. Please re-read, in much the same way that you had to re-read the reading comp essays on the lsat.

The international law joke was pretty outstanding.

NYU is so new money. Gross.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/12/14/the-law-blog-lawyer-of-the-year-the-nominees

I think many of the comments here are much stupider than the those on the NYU listserv. Get over yourselves, people.

11:20PM: That made me laugh out loud haha. Nice one.

"AmLAw 200? Here is a brief list of comparable accomplishments:

1. Owning a gently used Toyota Corolla.
2. Getting to second base with a girl one time, (your cousin).
3. Almost missing the dogshit on the sidewalk.
4. Getting a robo-call from the Ron Paul campaign.
5. Graduating from Fordham Law School."

LMAO! I'll only accomplish number 5, and I'm STILL less likely to pass the bar than a Dozo. Maybe the papists above will help me out? Fordham to the Vatican!

All students know how to party. The idea that students chose NYU because they were better at partying is absurd. If you really want to party, you should go to Duke Law . . . if you know what I mean.

Those guys really know how to party - getting railroaded for a terrible crime that nobody even committed. W00t! Keg stands, brah!

D*mnit, where's the coke? *Vomits* Puke and rally bros! WE PRE-GAME HARDER THAN CLS PARTIES!!!

NYU law students are really f**ken retarded. I think CLS, Fordham, and even Loyola, have brighter and more witted law students than the dumb dimwits at NYU. The posting of this blog speaks for itself how dumb NYU law students can be.

Whoever the hell K.T. is, that person made a wonderful f**ken point to begin with. Kudos to K.T. I think the NYU law students are pissed off at the fact that somebody revealed some truth about how lazy these knuckleheads are, I dont think NYU Law school should ever qualified as the next ivy law school. it seems that the NYU students are ignorant and obnoxious.!

Fordham Pius XII | December 14, 2007 04:24 PM


Seriously? Does anyone who goes to Fordham think they are going to a good school? The only reason why it jumped in the USN&WR rankings in the last few years is that all the people that COULDN'T get in to NYU/Columbia but wanted to be in NYC started applying and raising the LSAT median.
A jump in admission scores doesn't change the fact that it doesn't belong in the top tier.

NYU Law students think just because their school is in the top 5, they are inclined to say that they dont have to do sh*t and still manage to earn high paying jobs... WTF, stupid ass kids. Duke rules! we know how to work hard and party hard! unlike nyu, shit all day and party hard too, LOSERS! A BIG EMPHATIC YES! LOSERS THEY ARE>

1:37 is a perfect example of the shallowness and arrogance of many law students. I am lucky to be at CLS and proud of my accomplishments, but I don't look down on other schools because of it. It is unfortunate that people like 1:37 give the rest of us a bad name by maligning other students who are working hard to get their degree.

It is no wonder that older attorneys often comment on the decline of the legal profession -- they must be ashamed of the younger generation's petty squabbling and self-righteousness.

Yes, I can certainly agree that older attorneys often comment on the decline of the legal profession. The younger generation thinks they know it all without a sense of what the law profession truly epitomizes.

I want to particularly comment on what (K.T.) said above that there are no short cuts to get easy As. Any law school that has the ability to giving out easy As wouldn't qualify to have high standards. If that were to be the case, then where's the prestige in that respect? It is clearly indicative of the fact that these law students are just trying to hop on the fast lane to make quick money with their ESQ title and only money without regard for the legal aspect of society.

It is hilarious in the sense that they would even post something benign as this on here. I have totally changed my view toward NYU Law School for the worst.

Speaking of which, i am an intern at a law firm residing in Chicago. There are about 3 lawyers who graduated from NYU Law and they are like the dumbest attorneys here compared to the rest.

1:37

That is one of the most childish things I've ever read on ATL - which is saying a lot.

Even youre reasoning is flawed. A lot of excellent students do not get in to CLS or NYU...and if they are going to Fordham, that means Fordham is getting excellent students, is very competitive, and of course is a top tier law school. What makes a law school a good law school is its students...not some sort of tradition about being the best and/or sense of entitlement which you seem to express. Youve said that Fordham is getting students who are raising the median LSAT and GPA - but that doesnt make it a top tier law school. Are you serious? Is that your argument? What f'ing law school do you go to, making an idiotic argument like that?

Also, please lets not forget that the difference between students at CLS, NYU v. Fordham, GW, and Emory-ranked schools is about 5-7 points on the LSAT. I go to Emory and would put my undergrad record, and those of my classmates, up against any other law school.

Anon 1:37 - You are a moron. Fordham has had high LSATs and GPAs for years and has been consistently under-ranked by USN&WR. Get back to document review.

And good for you, CLS 3L - a rare dose of law student civility!

Emory 2L -

According to your school's website, the difference between the median entering student at CLS/NYU and Emory is 8 LSAT points and 0.3 tenths of a GPA point. Those are HUGE differences. Emory is a respectable school, but entering students have substantially less impressive entrance qualifications than CLS/NYU students.

I meant 3 tenths of a GPA point, not 0.3 tenths of a GPA point.

CCN 1L (what is CCN?)

Since you have so much time - could you please cross-check that against the info on GW and Fordham's websites as well. Then please aggregate the numbers...jesus, I was making a general statement.

My point being, many students at GW, Emory, Fordham are students who did not get into T14 schools but would have had their LSAT scores been slightly higher.

And Im not claiming Emory is as good as those schools either.

In light of all this drama, I want to make a personal statement to all law students, regardless of what law school you attended or currently attending.

I graduated from a top law school (not going to brag) and let me tell you that I busted my ass literally to get where I am today and landed an admirable position at McKinsey & Company, which I am proud to brag. What I do not merely understand is the fact that why such nyu law students would criticize someone like K.T. so harshly when all that person did was just voicing her opinion. There was no need to involve the person's history into the picture. I think she clearly made perfect sense that you need to work hard, challenge yourself, and apply the acquired knowledge that you were most willing to challenge and absorb and eventually have conquered - all for the better to become a well-rounded law professional. Pointing out a person's bio and petty flaw bears no relevance to the matter she firmly confronted.

With all this being said, I congrat to all those who say they work hard and continue to challenge themselves in and outside of the classroom. It all comes down to between how much you know and what others don't, because it's what separates you from rest.

Ahhh CCN = Chicago, Columbia, NYU....thats cute how you guys group your schools together.

Is there a YHS v. CCN dungeons and dragons competition annually or bi-annually?

Law Grad '95 has to be flame. Nobody that graduated from a top law school and worked for McKinsey could be THAT terrible of a writer.

YHS v CCN = dungeon and dragon competition?

We would totally rule without question

Agreed. And as such, his statement should be disregarded in its entirety.

to 1:37


Fordham is a reputable law school. What f*** law school do you go to?

emory2L, your point is that many students at GW, Emory, and Fordham would have gotten into the T14 if their LSAT scores were higher? that is an excellent point that i feel is lost on most people. keep up the good work.

law grad '95, you work at McKinsey & Company? incredible! if i send you my address and 10 bucks, can you send me an autograph?

nyu grads are the stupidest at my firm too, well except for the cornell and wustl grads. let's start trolling for those 2 schools!

i have no idea why i posted this. probably crabby from studying all day.

4:18, slightly higher....

and judging by the way people from YHSCCN slam other schools as crap and students at those schools as inferior --- i think YES maybe it is lost on most people...at least those people.

what's your opinion on west coast law schools, say stanford, UCLA, compared to the schools on the east?

emory2L

Brilliant! All law schools = Yale Law because had their students' LSAT and GPAs been higher they would have gotten in. Where is my clerkship and cushy academia position?

Let me repeat one of my earlier posts:

"NYU lacks the class and sophistication to be admitted to the ranks among Cornell"

Bravo!

4:28, Not my point at all.

POINT: dont treat those schools as if theyre crap, or theyre students as if theyre inferior just because of a 3-4 percentile difference in the LSAT - chances are they scored pretty close to what you scored.

and they dont give clerkships or cushy academia positions to overly sarcastic jerkoffs who miss the point and jump to conclusions

4:35

YHS = CCN = Emory,GW,Fordham = Cardozo,Case,Baylor = ... = shit

Thus according to the transitive property YHS = shit
(glad I don't go there)

Penis

Balls

All law shmucks who attend YHS CCN = CRAP IN MY ASS

Hofstra rules!

funny this started as Columbia v NYU and as soon as lesser law schools started to say they were equal to the CCN it became CCN v TTTers. Got to love human nature

Why do NYU students think they're such hot sh*t? NYU losers: you are law students at a top 5 law school. Objectively you are not cool! What a bunch of tools...

do NYU law students ever throw themselves out of school windows and off the ledges of the Bobst library, or is that the exclusive province of undergrads? LOL

if the latter, they might want to rethink that tradition.

to 5: 06

Asshole, don't get mad because you got rejected from NYU.

We are the best, actually even better than columbia, both socially and academically. boo in your face! we basically rule the state of new york.

agreed to the fullest extent.

1Ls please discuss the following hypo:

NYU 1L having just bombed exams decides to jump off Bobst. Tragically landing on Happy Herman's new BMW. Happy's insurance company refuses to pay citing he must recover from NYU 1L's family... ok this is boring back to studying

5:06

no one said fordham, gw, emory were equal to CCN. youve got us there buddy.

but, chances are we could whip the shit out of you and break your thickrim glasses in the process.

5:06

no one said fordham, gw, emory were equal to CCN. youve got us there buddy.

but, chances are we could whip the shit out of you and break your thickrim glasses in the process.

emory2l

your right everyone at Emory has similar GPAs to people in T14. Only difference is people in T14 have 3.7s from HYP (and a couple token 4.0 from southern state schools) while Emory has 3.7s from southern state schools

FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORHDAM RULES BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5:26

learn to type and hope you enjoy the cold. I'll be at K&S and banging my hot, blond, Southern, trophy wife pool side year round while you're stuck in a 1 bedroom closet with some boss' daughter JAP who doesn't put out unless you buy her something

I graduated from Emory last year - we do NOT have a lot of southerners.

Far more people from NY/Long Island than from the south.

And southern state schools? Not many. Vast majority went to northern private schools. We get more people from Cornell, Penn, and Michigan than we do from University of Georgia.

is NYU a prestigious firm?

5:32, that has to be the lamest "insult" I've heard in a long time. It's hard to imagine normal people writing something like that. Especially when anyone can move to the south

Emory 2L -

While you might think it's 'cute', lumping Chicago, Columbia, and NYU together is a lot more defensible than lumping Emory in with GW and Fordham.

Best regards -

Someone more prestigious than you

8:08

Agreed. Fordham is a much better school than either Emory or GW.

NYC schools outclass their nearest ranked competitors in ways that no bumpkin from DC, the south, or any of those god-forsaken landlocked heartland schools will ever understand.

...except for Brooklyn, Cardozo, and St. Johns, which are TTT rip-offs.

how is this thread still going?

Emory2L

Look, I wasn't trying to start a flame war between CCN and Fordham, GW, and Emory. I was only stating (properly) that the difference between NYU/CLS students and Emory students is significantly greater than 5-7 LSAT points. There's really no serious debate about that. If LSAT and GPA mean anything, 8:08 is right in that you're overestimating the caliber of Emory students by grouping them with GW and Fordham.

For what it's worth, I'll re-state that I think you attend an objectively good school.

Emory is higher ranked than fordham, ranked equally to GW, and also ranked the #1 most underrated lawschool by USN&WR.

We pull students from all over the country and we send them all over the country - in this way we are extremely unique for schools ranked 15-30.

I feel quite comfortable lumping Emory in with GW and Fordham. I got in to both of those schools and chose Emory. Why? Because I didnt know where I wanted to practice - Emory does better nationwide than both Fordham or GW.

If those mean comments about emory came from someone who goes to GW or Fordham - two schools i have great respect for - well then at least i dont have to walk around my city sporting a #3 (fordham) or #2 (gw) on my sweatshirt.

CCN 1L - your other points are well taken. Thank you for your stamp of approval on Emory Law - it really means a lot to me.

yeah, but you have to wear a shirt that says Atlanta rather than the nation's political or financial capital.

What's a TTT/TTS?

enough with this shit already. stop comparing each other school's rank against one another... be fucken glad you are even in law school... shit, are you guys going to continue dragging this mess about who goes to a better school.. who fucken cares!

anon goes to 4th tier!

There is likely a strong correlation between being a prestige whore and having a very small penis. It would explain a lot really...

I go to Brooklyn Law. anyone wants to make a smart comment?

Why you don't hear enough of them at BLS?

bravo 9:59

9:59 -

Come to BLS and I'll personally give you a tour. I don't even think you have guts to come to Brooklyn.

To All Above,

If you want to get in meaningless debates about whose school is better, go to XO.

"I don't even think you have guts to come to Brooklyn."

When did Brooklyn become the dangerous part of NY?

For all those who do not attend IVY LAW SCHOOLS, clearly there's no competition, PERIOD.

I also want to add that that the ivy law students do not even intend to get involved with such mess on this blog simply because we can careless. Thank God we don't have to deal with this insanity about whose school is better.

cheers to all my fellow ivies!

Is it more prestigious to go to IVY undergrad TTT law school or TTT undergrad IVY lawschool?

It is more prestigious to go to both IVY UNDERGRAD AND IVY LAW SCHOOL.

I went to Darmouth for my undergrad and Yale for law. Now, who can top that?

NYU LAW? NO
FORDHAM? HELL NO
EMORY? SADLY NO
BLS? OUT OF THE PLANET
GW? You know the answer

Well, I was only Yale undergrad, Skull and Bones, and Yale Law with law review and SC clerkship...

screw all you ivies, small penis!

Damn, is everyone who posts on this site really that dissatisfied with their lives? Quit comparing the size of your dic.. er, reputation of your law schools, and just be happy with yourself. You could be living in the ghetto, but instead you're in law school or a lawyer. Have a bit of perspective people.

Aghast got a small penis and is in the 10th tier.

pwned

Americans make me puke, I can just vomit all over the fucken states, mate.

I feel sorry for the FIVE of you who did all the posting pretending to be different people. Get a life.

Dartmouth then Yale for law school?

That sounds like an awesome 7 years.

4 years in Hanover, followed by three in New Haven. Crazy times.

Sorry if Im not jealous of you dude, thats a 10th of your life spent living in shit towns.

Shout out to Cornell, best mix of party and academics in the ivy - not showing off, not falling behind - proud to be an alum. Cornellians know what im talking about.

I dont go to either of these schools and could never get in...but why in gods name would you EVER go to Yale over Harvard for law school?

Boston v. New Haven...seriously

Did CLS used to be good? Or was that only until they opened Cardozo?

"extremely unique"

oh god, shut up...

This is quite possibly the most thoughtless, immature and altogether vile thread that ATL had the dishonor of hosting.

3:57 - Welcome to the party. Can I take your coat?

Guys in my high school used to have long, drawn out, prestige fights about the law schools they went to all the time, it was no big deal.

12:44 - subtle anti-cornell trolling

w00t!

December 14, 4:35 and 5:00. Why are you signing your posts as Estacio and claiming to be me?

I am the only Estacio at NYU.

Entertaining to watch the bickering. The beauty is that those in the top schools that bother to defend their schools reps remain insecure. HA! Those in lower schools arguing that they aren't that different still can't distinguish fact from fiction. HA! Those in either school that stay out of the squabble or just find this amusing (myself included) continue to enjoy life.

"Top five school" - lol @ subtle NYU trolling!

Law school prestige rankings
1. yale
2. harvard
3. stanford
4. columbia
5. chicago
6. nyu
7. uva/upenn

Agreed?

agreed

It’s true—NYU lacks prestige.

I’m sure my layman friends and relatives would have been a lot more impressed if I’d accepted the offers from Columbia, Cornell, Michigan, Duke, etc.

But considering that it’s ranked 4th by USN&WR’s formula without any circularly reinforcing “peer assessment” criterion propping it up, how much better must it actually be in terms of actually student and faculty quality?

The top five is a country club aghast that a no-name school like NYU would crash the party solely by virtue of talent and ambition.

it's wonderful to see such highly intellectual beings participating in such a pointless controversy, not to mention immature discussion about whose school is better! i guess they're not so bright after all, totally lack common sense.

Chicago is a dinosaur in decline coasting on reputation it built 30 years ago. It's the next Michigan.

The only part of Columbia that's in the Ivy League is their undergraduate football team. That's no reason to choose a law school. Their buildings are ugly and in the ghetto, which is why the best professors come to NYU, among the other quality of life benefits. They keep their numbers propped up by admitting a homogeneous student body interested in corporate shilling.

Soon the top three will be Yale, Harvard, NYU.

NYU WILL BE THE NEXT IVY LEAGUE BITCHES!

You're all a bunch of wankers with small wee-wees.

NYU is not top 5. USN&WR don't make it so.

Yes, NYU LAW will be one of the top 3 in 5 years.


We basically dominate the state of New York.

I have an enormous penis -- circa 11 inches, and thick. But I have tiny balls.

Picture a Pringles can with two peanut M&Ms strapped to it. That's about what we're dealing with here.

Oh, and I go to NYU, where I use my quasi-elite status to plug needy Fordham girls with my Pringles-can cock.

Agreed. We have power, looks, smarts, style, and most importantly, status. Now what?

I have an enormous penis -- circa 11 inches, and thick. But I have tiny balls.

Picture a Pringles can with two peanut M&Ms strapped to it. That's about what we're dealing with here.

Oh, and I go to NYU, where I use my quasi-elite status to plug needy Fordham girls with my Pringles-can cock.

While it i