Waste of a post. Let's talk boni.

just think Loyola 2L isn't even a lawyer yet and he/she is lawyer of the year

Loyola 2L is not a person, it is an idea. And an idea cannot be killed.

I doubt it was one person.

Damn! Damn! Damn! I really thought this was my year.

Why did Mrs. Palsgraff lose??

Who is Alberto Gonzalez??

Congrats, L2L.

12:13(2)

LOL - you think?

To paraphrase M*A*S*H (during the good seasons before Trapper John and Henry left the show)

We can all be proud by the fact that there's a little L2L in all of us. In fact, you might say that all of us together made up L2L.

Loyola 2L is dead.
Long live Loyola 3L.

Hof 1L:

(1) Palsgraf lost because her lawyer did not graduate from Hofstra Law

(2) Alberto Gonzalez is a distinguished professor at Hofstra Law

holy crap-- Loyola is in California??? I've been reading this blog for a year and it never occurred to me for a second that it was anywhere other than Illinois.

god it must suck going to a t3 school . . .

JT was robbed!

Lat, maybe you should hire L2L to work for ATL. He/she clearly has quite a good knowledge of the blawgosphere, is well-known, and has the ability to cause a comments clusterf&*k with ease. (Plus, of course, L2L likely has no decent job prospects.) Could be a good hire and increase your traffic.

Dear David:

Could you tell us how many ISP addresses have posted as "Loyola 2L" or "L2L"? I'm putting the over/under at 250.

I agree with 12:13 Loyola 2L -- the moniker is an idea, not a person. In other words: "I am Spartacus!"

Lat,
I'll do your work for you. The chairman of the Tennessee house judiciary committee has to spend a year in jail for DUI and was having an affair with the lobbyist for the Tennessee trial lawyers. His arrest is even on you tube. You can't make up something this good. I'll make your job easier, here's the link: http://nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=58312

L2L should have been "Time" Man of the Year instead of that dude from Mother Russia.

This comment thread would have been much more entertaining if the posters all had the foresight to post with the correct moniker.

ABL to Summer Associate Program!

wow --

I don't go there, but Loyola isn't t3. For as long as I can remember it's been solidly in the second tier. No, no, I'm not saying it's the shit; just saying it aint t3.

Guys from my high school would regularly use pseudonyms to hide their identities while they lodged constant complaints that really had little to do with the external objects of their rants than the internal shortcomings of each complainer. It was no big deal.

Guys from my high school would regularly use pseudonyms to hide their identities while they lodged constant complaints that really had less to do with the external objects of their rants than the internal shortcomings of each complainer. It was no big deal.

"Damn! Damn! Damn! I really thought this was my year."

Unfortunately, Mrs. Evans, this humorous quote will be lost on most of the posters in this blog.

Guys from my high school would regularly post inane comments on message boards intended to make them appear eloquent but in reality manifested their own stupidity as they were unable to hit the 'reply' button less than two times causing their posts to appear multiple times. It was no big deal.

Thanks ATL. If anyone is interested in a taste of my tier 2 misery, here is a post I recently wrote about my desire to sue Loyola Law School. I wrote it on your sister blog. (I assume you and Lattman work together, since you report on eachothers entries and reference eachother, even your names sound the same.)

.................

If there was one law or regulation which specifically made schools liable for failing to disclose the true market value of their degree, I would file a lawsuit against Loyola so fast the papers would catch fire.
The problem is we have nothing. All we have is a common law fraud or false advertising claim, which as anyone who remembers shareholder lawsuits before the 1933 and 1934 Acts knows, are ineffective.
In my opinion, this is the heart of the problem. Higher education is completely unregulated. While other industries have their greed and sloth tempered with laws, schools are given a free hand. This is why you will never find someone with a cushier job than law school dean or professor, why tuitions continue to skyrocket at two or three times the rate of inflation, and why so many who buy their services come out feeling like they got ripped off.
I don’t know how bad it has to get before things change, but I have to assume we’re getting close to the breaking point. Over the past decade, tuitions for law schools have doubled, and jobs for all but the top 10% still pay the same. A while back I happened to speak with a Loyola grad from 1991. He told me that back then small firms paid $15-$30 an hour. His first job paid $17/hour, close to the same starting salary I will make. Continuing this trend, in a decade tuition will be $80,000 a year, and non-top-10% jobs will still pay $15-$30/hour. Of course biglaw will probably pay $300,000 a year, and schools like Loyola will point to that as a sign of the legal profession’s largesse, in a smoke and mirrors scam to trick students out of borrowed money.
We need a regulation. Just one regulation which protects people who invest in education, in the same way as the SA and SEA protect those who invest in securities.
Comment by Loyola 2L - December 19, 2007 at 1:12 pm

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/12/19/law-blog-trendspotting-law-students-suing-their-law-schools/

Thanks ATL. If anyone is interested in a taste of my tier 2 misery, here is a post I recently wrote about my desire to sue Loyola Law School. I wrote it on your sister blog. (I assume you and Lattman work together, since you report on eachothers entries and reference eachother, even your names sound the same.)

.................

If there was one law or regulation which specifically made schools liable for failing to disclose the true market value of their degree, I would file a lawsuit against Loyola so fast the papers would catch fire.
The problem is we have nothing. All we have is a common law fraud or false advertising claim, which as anyone who remembers shareholder lawsuits before the 1933 and 1934 Acts knows, are ineffective.
In my opinion, this is the heart of the problem. Higher education is completely unregulated. While other industries have their greed and sloth tempered with laws, schools are given a free hand. This is why you will never find someone with a cushier job than law school dean or professor, why tuitions continue to skyrocket at two or three times the rate of inflation, and why so many who buy their services come out feeling like they got ripped off.
I don’t know how bad it has to get before things change, but I have to assume we’re getting close to the breaking point. Over the past decade, tuitions for law schools have doubled, and jobs for all but the top 10% still pay the same. A while back I happened to speak with a Loyola grad from 1991. He told me that back then small firms paid $15-$30 an hour. His first job paid $17/hour, close to the same starting salary I will make. Continuing this trend, in a decade tuition will be $80,000 a year, and non-top-10% jobs will still pay $15-$30/hour. Of course biglaw will probably pay $300,000 a year, and schools like Loyola will point to that as a sign of the legal profession’s largesse, in a smoke and mirrors scam to trick students out of borrowed money.
We need a regulation. Just one regulation which protects people who invest in education, in the same way as the SA and SEA protect those who invest in securities.
Comment by Loyola 2L - December 19, 2007 at 1:12 pm

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/12/19/law-blog-trendspotting-law-students-suing-their-law-schools/

You are clearly not the real Loyola 2L, 1:28/1:29. Only noobs double post on abovethelaw. Experienced posters like the real L2L know to wait a minute for their comment to show up.

As long as there are people idiotic enough to attend 3rd tier toilets, there will be L2L.

I can respect the idea that a poor is warning other future poors about going to a TTT though, it is a contribution above and beyond what most of us have done -

We toil away behind mahogany desks, shifting two and twenties among boxes owned by rich people, catching an hour of television on our 60 inch screens or Schubert and Kanye pouring forth from $20,000 speaker systems, sipping $200 scotch from crystal tumblers to keep our heart attack at bay before sleeping on $10,000 mattresses in Manhattan high-rises. We have made the rich richer, if L2L has kept a single poor from invading a once noble profession he is a better man than you and I.

Loyola 2L, how much background research did you conduct on the legal market before you decided to go 6-figures in debt? Do you think any reasonable investor would pony up that amount of cash without understanding the risk of return?

congratulations, spartacus!

YES! I WON AN AWARD!

I'm L2L! And so is my wife!

If I hadn't gone to a second tier school I would have trade marked my handle sooner.

The "anonymity" of Loyola 2L and the fact that anyone can post as Loyola 2L on these stupid forums is so damn stupid. There is no Loyola 2L. The bum probably isn't even from CA. He represents the discontent throughout the legal world.

This is just stupid. I am the REAL LOYOLA 2L!

Duffman asks: Whatever happened to "caveat emptor"? Ohhh, yeahhhh.

While L2L might be out of luck, hopefully his/her plight will become notorious enough that future applicants will know what a crapshoot they're entering. Duffman is risk-averse and is steering his kids towards accounting, engineering and brewing.

I am Loyola 2L and so can you!

I have a prosposal for ye, fair and true.

1:36--

Are you dissing yourself, as well as non-elite law school grads? I'm really confused here . . .

1:36, no, s/he is not. You have poor reading comprehension.

1:51-
Always look on the bright side of life.

Duffman -

Steer your kids towards engineering, and then any law school they want. That's about as risk averse as you can get.

Ohhhhh yeahhhhh

If I include "Wall Street Journal Lawyer of the Year - 2007" on my resume, would I get hired for a real job?

Overrated: Loyola 2L

Underrated: Gallion

Loyola 2L (1:28): Maybe you could try a RICO conspiracy based on mail/wire fraud? I'm not saying it's not frivolous, or that you should do it--just that are some pretty scary laws out there which might colorably cover some of the stuff you're whining about all the time.

Mind you, not only should you lose, but you should stop besmirching the good name of Loyola, too. Can't you can yourself T2-2L or something?

3:23,
I can't you would expect me to lie about Loyola's job prospects. Telling the truth about a place isn't besmirching their name. Had someone told the truth when I applied, I wouldn't be in the mess I'm in now.

Actually, 2:36, it's your bitch-ass that has poor reading comprehension skills. I'm not 1:36; 1:36 was the target of my query. And if you think the following makes any sense, I'd love to read your writing:

"As long as there are people idiotic enough to attend 3rd tier toilets, there will be L2L.

I can respect the idea that a poor is warning other future poors about going to a TTT though, it is a contribution above and beyond what most of us have done -

We toil away behind mahogany desks, shifting two and twenties among boxes owned by rich people, catching an hour of television on our 60 inch screens or Schubert and Kanye pouring forth from $20,000 speaker systems, sipping $200 scotch from crystal tumblers to keep our heart attack at bay before sleeping on $10,000 mattresses in Manhattan high-rises. We have made the rich richer, if L2L has kept a single poor from invading a once noble profession he is a better man than you and I."

If there's a point in that mess, it's articulated awfully.

I'm Loyola 2L!

4:11 -

Third tier students are jobless idiots.

Biglaw is meaningless but materially rewarding.

Discouraging poors from entering the law is noble.

Not that hard, you must be a TTT student.

First rule of Loyola 2L: Don't talk about Loyola 2L!!!

Maybe Loyola 2L should pen a book called ... "Loyola 2L." It would be like Scott Turow's "One L," but without any of the mystique of Harvard. The story would end with the doomed protagonist getting hired by ATL!

I'm L2L!

4:28--

I'm questioning two things: (1) the propriety of the proposition that "discouraging poors from entering the law is noble"; and (2) the way in which the poster expressed that point. I suppose I was confused in part because it's such a ridiculous proposition; I thought, "that can't be what he/she means!"

BTW, I clerk for a COA judge. I wouldn't normally mention that, but do so because you appear to be a prestige-whore yourself. Have fun out there, chief.

Duffman can't breathe! The law school debt is crushing him and is cutting off his air! Duffman should have gone to a state school or gotten a hard science undergrad degree...

4:11/5:07, therefore, you're a confused idiot with poor reading comprehension skills.

Loyola2L is one of our greatest Americans.

Yeah, students from TTTs don't ever accomplish anything. Thurgood Marshall, Douglas Wilder, and Vernon Jordan never did anything worth mentioning.

Loyola 2L (the real one, not the imitators) is an idiot.
Anyone who seriously believed he was going to have a better than average legal job after attending Loyola just didn't do enough research.

for every thurgood marshall, there are a million lawyers that amounted to being poors.

filthy toilet lawyers who aren't even good at chasing ambulances.

Howard is not a TTT in the mold of loyala, ave maria or AMERICAN JUSTICE!

Howard has some cache and its students in the top quarter get good jobs.

What's up with the hatred for poor folks? Is there something inherently wrong with being poor? It's pretty sickening to think that a lot of attorneys hold this view. Here's to hoping that fools like 10:58 are the exception, not the rule.

11:25 = one of the poors.

Poors are revolting.

2:37 = one of the douchebags.

The douches are revolting. I might get sick too.