first and passed rt

FIRST!

116. First?

4th!

ain't being an unethical snake grand? :-P

Anyone who scored over 100 needed to spend less time studying. You can take the test by accident and still pass for every state.

First time, 123! YAY :)

458 failed!

seriously, if you failed this test you need to be hit in the head with a tack hammer because you are a RETARD.

i wish excess points from the MPRE could be transferred to the MBE...those faulkers

I spent half of an afternoon studying for this.

If you failed, you are a moron. And unethical too.

wait until the rest of the bar rolls around. The MPRE is cake compared to that!

123!

Agreed with 4:58. This is not the LSAT -- there is no honor or benefit in getting a good score. Your MPRE score is not something to brag about.

In fact, the higher your score is, the more of a douche you are for having wasted your time studying so much.

The end is near!

How good is a 130?

did people find that this exam was much harder than all practice exams and not the easiest test in the world that everyone said it was? that is what everyone i know said. now i am posing the question to the legal world. i got a 109.

The MPRE can be tricky because you can be TOO ethical.

I knew an editor of the Yale Law Journal who failed. I think that is what happened to her. She was "too" ethical, i.e., always chose the "safest" option (not zealous enough as an advocate).

The MPRE has nothing to do with how ethical you are. A bunch of subjective M/C questions prove nothing.

5:09 - absolutely; I hope BarBri's bar prep is better tailored to the test.

i didn't study the first time and failed by 1 point.

5:09 it was only harder because it mattered....i'm just sorry i spent more than 5 hours studying.

5:09 - Agree.

5:09...it was harder than any practice exam i saw...given that i was usually practicing about 100, and got a 75 on the real thing. :-P on the practice tests i felt like i was guessing half the time...on the real one, it was like guessing on everything.

To 5:09--I agree. This MPRE was tricky. I aced a few practice test but had to guess about half the questions on the actual MPRE because I had no clue. Thought I would flunk but I got 106.

To everybody who makes ethics jokes vis-a-vis the MPRE: professional responsibility is NOT the same thing as ethics, and if you don't know that, you are an idiot.

Passed. I'm glad I studied just so I don't have to do it again.

To 5:09--I agree. This MPRE was tricky. I aced a few practice test but had to guess about half the questions on the actual MPRE because I had no clue. Thought I would flunk but I got 106.

To everybody who makes ethics jokes vis-a-vis the MPRE: professional responsibility is NOT the same thing as ethics, and if you don't know that, you are an eejit.

I am interested in a correlation of LSAT scores and MPRE scores. I know, you can argue 1000 different factors (how much you studied, etc. etc), but I just wanted to get about 10-20 scores to see if there is anything there. Please don't lie on either score as this is obviously anonymous.

LSAT/MPRE
1. 161/123
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5:16 - I was 165/142

5:16, mine was 168/103

130 niggaz!!

LSAT/MPRE
1. 161/123
2. 165/142 (from 5:17)
3. 169/123
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I studied for 3.5 hours and got a 120, I left thinking I definitely failed. My friend (also at Columbia) took the Barbri course, studied for 8 hours on his own and failed. Its a weird test with seemingly arbitrary answers.

No matter how much people complain about BarBri for the NY bar, they did a much better job preparing us for that, than they did for the MPRE.

5:16: 171/95

5:16 - i was 176/105...

no, let's just list our penis size to shoe size ratio instead, that will be a more telling comparison, I'll start.

1. 4"/9
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5:16: 170/75

150/150. In job applications I list "being ethical" as my best quality. For my worst quality I usually write either "lack of intelligence" or "being too ethical."

162/109

158/89- I barely studied for the lsat, and didn't study at all for the MPRE. I did get an A in PR the previous semester, however. The toughest part about the MPRE were the excessively long question stems, designed to waste your time. I avoided that problem by answering the questions while only lightly skimming the facts. I got out of the MPRE in 45 minutes and the proctor asked me if I was giving up.

you can get a high score on the MPRE by accident, not because you are intentionally overstudying.

163/127.

I already know of 2 people from my school that studied but failed.

158/89- I barely studied for the lsat, and didn't study at all for the MPRE. I did get an A in PR the previous semester, however. The toughest part about the MPRE was the excessively long question stems, designed to waste your time. I avoided that problem by answering the questions while only lightly skimming the facts. I got out of the MPRE in 45 minutes and the proctor asked me if I was giving up.

152/133

170/100

152/133

5:21 apparently did very poor on either the LSAT or MPRE or both!

163/127.

I already know of 2 people from my school that studied but failed.

152/133

162/109

175/123

you can get a high score on the MPRE by accident, not because you are intentionally overstudying.

170/100

5:24:

got lucky on the LSAT. in reality, i'm a fucking moron.

don't care about the lsat correlation thing. quit trying to look for correlations. my cranium and dick are bigger than all y'all's.

172/92

I am highly unethical--I was ducking out to drink during the breaks at the five hour session!

This thread is lame. In the spirit of the upcoming birthday of baby jesus, can we please talk about DC BONUSES?????

I'm waiting for the next post in which Lat reports Cardozo's standing relative to its NY counterparts with respect to MPRE results.

Does anyone know a way to view who passed/failed if you didn't take it? I want to mock/congratulate someone.

This thread is lame. In the spirit of the upcoming birthday of baby jesus, can we please talk about DC BONUSES?????

170/93

174/92

5:24:

got lucky on the LSAT. in reality, i'm a fucking moron.

ok that is enough scores. It is clear that there are too many other factors. R^2 is very very low!

174/147 from a state school...take that prestige whores

5:16 - 171/106

I studied hard for the LSAT b/c I knew it mattered. I studied just enough for the MPRE not to worry for four to five weeks about whether I passed.

here is your correlation. people with high lsat scores probably didnt study much and therefore barely passed. people with low lsat scores feared failing and overstudied and therefore did much better.

Does anyone know a way to view who passed/failed if you didn't take it? I want to mock/congratulate someone.

5:29 has the best score so far. I'm sure everyone knows at least one person who did really well on their LSAT but failed the MPRE at least the first time around. There is no correlation.

174/147 from a state school...take that prestige whores

March- You need to steal their login/password, there is no single sheet with everyone's name on it.

164/123

172/99

164/123...and 7"/11.5

157/145

159/110 (with three hours of sleep the night before an a lot of booze) I think I sobered up about half way through the test!

174/147 from a state school...take that prestige whores

Posted by: content 1L | December 3, 2007 05:34 PM

Aren't you not allowed to take the MPRE until *after* your 1L year? I call BS.

163/124

I claim the highest differential b/w LSAT and MPRE (assuming MPRE qualifies for any state).

171/85.

175/99

But I finished the exam is a little over an hour so don't I get a bonus for speed or something?

lol, being just slightly below the ethical mean is awesome.

159/110 (with three hours of sleep the night before and a lot of booze) I think I sobered up about half way through the test!

172/82 (good enough for my state)

"people with high lsat scores probably didnt study much and therefore barely passed. people with low lsat scores feared failing and overstudied and therefore did much better."

That is exactly right. I studied a lot for LSAT, barely studied for MPRE.

159/110 (with three hours of sleep the night before and a lot of booze) I think I sobered up about half way through the test!

The MPRE is the most pointless debacle I've ever experienced. I studied for three hours and passed by 2 points (87). All that means is that I should have studied for 2:45.

What a crock.

DC BONUSES!

I did not study one minute. I assumed I failed. I got a 99. Though I already took a state bar with some overlap.

I did not study one minute. I assumed I failed. I got a 99. Though I already took a state bar with some overlap.

When I'm President I am going to raise the passing grade on the MPRE to 90% of a perfect score (I'm too busy campaigning to find out what the max score is right now). I am also going to start a new program where I give huge subsidies to anyone that can't get into law school which I like to call "Buying Votes from People Who Couldn't Get Into Law School", and I am going to pay for it with a special tax on lawyers.

169/123

157/138 - I apparently over-studied for the MPRE and didn't prep enough for the LSAT

165 LSAT (in 1997)/?? MPRE in 2000 (passed for NY, whatever it was at the time)/passed NY Bar 2001 FWIW/106 MPRE 2007 (applying to another jurisdiction)

165/137

156/103. I was worried there for a bit.

181/88

oh, and 8"/7.5

I can't remember what I scored, nor could I care less.

One of our professors told us that the secret is to always pick the 2nd most ethical thing to do.

Great that a profession that prides itself on ethics tests newbies with a multiple choice test that everyone blows off.

The MPRE sucks just as much as the MBE, and for the same reasons. See, e.g., trick multiple-choice questions beginning with phrases such as "Yes, but" and "No, however."

Fortunately I didn't have to take it when I was admitted.

177/99

170/110

170/107

161/137

I studied about 4 hours for the MPRE (i.e. I took two practice tests and went over the answers) and got a 132. If you failed this test, you fail at life.

I hereby award this thread the Iron Cross, First Class, for having the most boring comments ever.

Congratulations

200/190

Ok, Ok, the 10-20 request is fulfilled. This is the worst thread ever.

I studied way too much and felt I failed for sure. Does my 130 count for anything? I didn't think so.

One of my classmates scored 147 -- does anyone actually score higher than that?

158/144

182 LSAT, 151 MPRE

Shoe size = 10

Penis = 18" flaccid

Testicles = 20 oz. each.

Makes for one hell of a pair of "Arabian Goggles" (see urbandictionary for definition).

Please discuss.

169/103

What is the minimum for NY again? 86?

5:09- you make the best point.

I'm ok, I passed w/ a 103 but still pissed at Barbri (and myself, for scoring more than I needed to).

I took the BarBri "course" (ie that afternoon lecture) and read the long outline in that book.
Also took 3 practice exams. Total study time- 25hrs.

There was little to no resemblance between the Barbri course material and the test I took.

That being said, who does the best MBE prep.

6:50:

85 is the minimum to pass, not 86.

If you got an 85, you are okay.

What is the minimum for California?

I heard that NY will be 86 next year - is tihs true? It may make a 1-question difference for those on the borderline.

I had never studied in the States and passed MPRE first time after attending the bar bri lecture and taking two mock tests. I found the actual exam to be harder than the bar bri test papers.

If you wrote your LSAT and MPRE score you should run upstairs crying and hang yourself

168/116

A moderately intelligent 5th grader could probably pass the MPRE.

105, 3 hours prep with PLI's free outline. (Fuck barbri)

NY to interesting comments

myspace suicidal:

nah. i've got finals to take. i've at least got the decency not to hang myself until after those are done.

6-1/2" and size 10.5 shoe

Hillary Clinton / 5:52 PM, nobody cares what you think about this. You flunked the D.C. bar exam!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/24/AR2007052402479_2.html

California requires only 76!

176/120. Studied a decent bit for LSAT (though only with a review book), studied only the night before for MPRE. Though I had already taken legal ethics, which helped a little bit.

166/99

Anyone know what percentage of people fail the MPRE? It's gotta be low...

69/69

165/123

Did ANYONE fail, or know someone who did? If so, was it just an egregious lack of prep?

What does it say that someone several semesters into law school actually still remembers what their LSAT score was?

138th!!!!!!!!

5' 4.5" / 6.5 (shoe size) / 116 (MPRE)

You know what, your posts are embarrassing. The MPRE is an important test and if you didn't know this because you were busy calculating salaries: the intention of it is a commitment to ethics and good morals.

Are you all really the "bar" that I should be looking forward to join? I hope not. I hope that you're a small sample of the group of professionals representing yourselves only.

You're not a hotshot of you did well on the MPRE. And if you really did do well, it wouldn't be something you should flaunt.

Grow up, and start acting professionally.

8:04, good point!!!! i can't believe how childish all these posts are (not unlike comments on other issues on this site)

173/109

Ethics Tests in the Legal Profession
Vanessa Merton
The Hastings Center Report, Vol. 13, No. 3 (Jun., 1983), pp. 27-31

LSAT 172, MPRE 82. Really. I didn't prepare much for the LSAT at all (less than a month, about 5 practice tests), and I spent about 2 weeks reviewing outlines and doing practice tests (4 of them) for the MPRE. I am beyond help.

Do you need to take the MPRE to waive into the DC bar?

Ky only requires a 75

8:04 must be a Professional Responsibility professor...MPRE important...what a joke!

You need 79 for CA and 85 for NY. As of January 2008, they're both raising to 86 (the CA board of examiners wanted to raise it to 100).

Yeah, I just barely made it for CA, my state (I'm the 82 guy above). It's just embarrassing to have studied way more than everyone I've heard about and still basically failed under a lot of jurisdictions' standards (and CA's next year!).

If I hear some variation on "I read half an outline and only bothered to answer twelve questions on the actual exam, and I got a 110!" one more time, I'm going to explode in a giant unethical fireball.

get over it. it's just the fucking MPRE. i really feel sorry those running around like whores chanting your scores. wait for the BAR. we'll see how big you dicks are then.

8:04- we laugh at your schtick. Please keep it up

163/109

Got a 99. Skimmed the "concise outline" of BarBri and took the short test at the back of the book. Was positive I failed coming out--it was a lot harder than I thought. Ecstatic with my 99!

8:50: don't believe everything they say. everyone likes to pretend they didn't study for the MPRE. it just sounds cooler. truth is, we all studied. it is not common sense stuff. you actually had to learn some rules, impossible to do in 3 hours.

I got a 172/82 too. At least I know there is another freak out there like me. See you at the March exam.

I got a 103. I am so fucking ethical I can hardly stand it.

9:01, speak for yourself. I studied by reading the Barbri outline during the ride to the test and passed.

9:13, impossible. i mean it sounds cool and all. don't get me wrong. but impossible.

9:13 is pushing it. you would not be able to read the Barbri outline in one ride. where did you ride from?

9:01, honestly, i borrowed someone's barbri book and read the 30 page outline thing once the night before, and that was it - i got a 116.

9:19, that sounds more plausible than reading it during the ride to the test while doing shots

ATL Readers--

I am of counsel at an international firm, an associate professor of law and economic theory at a nationally-ranked law school, and a freelance journalist. I recently have commented on legal issues for for the New York Times, the Washington Post, the New York Law Journal, and the Chicago Tribune.

In February 2008, my article will be published which runs a comparative analysis of MPRE scores and post-law school employment. We used a national sample group of 2,043 law graduates who graduated from 95 law schools. I found (with a MOE of +/- 3.2), and what may be of particular interest to ATL readers, is that: (1) 92% of associates at 200+ attorney law firms obtained a "passing" MPRE score for their jurisdiction of admission on their first try; (2) 89% of judicial law clerks (state and federal, combined) obtained a "passing" score for their jurisdiction of admission on their first try; and (3) 58% of "contract attorneys" obtained a "passing" score for their jurisdiction of admission on their first try.

I will post a link to the draft article in February, and the final article in April.

Enough of this kindergarden shit! What's the word on WH DC bonuses?????

I was in the car for over an hour (I live in Los Angeles), and I wasn't driving of course. I didn't finish the outline, but I still passed, although I don't remember my score (this was 2 years ago).

Enough of this kindergarden shit! What's the word on WH DC bonuses?????

I should also mention that I studied in the hall before we went into the testing room. Still, though, I didn't crack the book until I was in the car.

THERE IS NO WAY YOUR STATS ARE CORRECT. NO REASONABLE PERSON WOULD BELIEVE THAT 58% OF CONTRACT ATTORNEYS PASSED THE MPRE THEIR FIRST TIME.

Perhaps it was a typo? Did you mean 5.8 or .58?

Proud member of the "Elite 89%"
--COA Clerk

To 9:31 (#1):

Interesting. Was this purely quantitative or did you run a qualitative analysis as well? Why do you believe this to be the case?

Fellow law/math geek

Wait a minute--it's actually possible to fail the MPRE?

Is going to 86?

79 and doin' fine in Cali... at least for this test... good thing I didn't wait until next time!

175 LSAT / 87 MPRE
Studied for 3-4 hours, took half a practice test. Even with the minimum score hike in a bunch of states, I still have a comfortable 1 point buffer. And that's the way I like it.

179/119 and and a 9 inch schlong - talk about symmetry...

i got a 123 without even reading the rules or taking PR.

if you failed this test, you should kill yourself.

i got drunk the prior night. woke up at 1pm and realized i missed the test. i watched some porn. and i still passed the test.

Guys in my high school had comfortable 1 point buffers all the time, it was no big deal.

161/116

I think this thread demonstrates that the bulk of idiotic comments on ATL originate from law students.

I wish Lat would post site statistics and hit origins. I think it would be very informative for employers.

11:23: You're surprised that a comment thread from a post about the MPRE is populated by law students?

I guess I'm just not seeing why this is so offensive. If you don't want to read people discussing MPRE results, don't read the comments from the post about "MPRE Results Are Out." Me, I don't want to read about salaries in New York. Accordingly, you won't find me in the daily New York salary post complaining about how associates are tactlessly talking about New York salaries.

11:23: You're surprised that a comment thread from a post about the MPRE is populated by law students?

I guess I'm just not seeing why this is so offensive. If you don't want to read comments about people's MPRE results, don't read the comments from the post called "MPRE Results Are Out." Me, I don't want to read about salaries in New York. Accordingly, you won't find me in the daily New York salary post complaining about how associates are tactlessly talking about New York salaries.

11:29: right on!

And yet another late night at the office. Where the hell is the slowdown when you need one?!!

Adolf Hitler took the MPRE. Do you want to be like adolf hitler?

152/120

152/120

184th!!! And guess what? Twenty years after law school it really doesn't matter. Dick size/shoe size guy had it right. GET A LIFE!!!!!!

Ola Chicas:)

177/126 and a D cup size.

10:22pm and 7:39am should get together and produce a porno flick..

6.2" / 13

All you people REMEMBER what you got on the MPRE? Do you remember your MBE score too? How about state bar score?

I got the results, saw that I passed, and then forgot that number, along with all other numbers that are irrelevant to my life, like how many apples I ate last week!

great post 8:39, & 8:53...a lot of us on here just received our scores last night. If we forgot them already, then (like someone who failed the test) we should hang ourselves.

If any, what state bars do not accept an MPRE score transfer?

9:02,

Most states accept an MPRE transfer score, if they require the test.

Just my $.02, but this test is a joke and merely a way for the folks in Iowa to generate revenue. Like 8:53, I saw that the number was more than enough to pass in any state and promptly stopped caring what it was.

Similar to the bar exam, this is a minimum competency test. Shooting for high score just seems like a waste of time and effort.