What did MLB expect? They made too much money off the 'roids.

Steroids don;t enahnce hand-eye coordination- if you cant hit a fastball steroids won;t fix that. Also, taking steroids as a means to speed recovery while on the DL is not "performance enhancing". Beyond that who cares! its great for the sport- everyone wants to see huge mo fos hitting the fuck out of the ball!

I guess I just don't really get people's moral indignation over this and fail to see why it is as big of an issue as it is. It's just a game. Who cares? And please save all the histrionics about how athletes are supposed to be role models. Perhaps we should do an investigation into how many people in the corporate world are abusing adderall and things like that in order to perform better and get their jobs done.

They should do a report on attorneys who use cocaine.

cringe.

Andy Pettitte used some substances to get over an injury NOT to enhance performance. It was very limited use and did not happen during the Yankees' dynasty years.

The report is a total smear job. George Mitchell sits on the bod of the Red Sox and got all of his information from two former NY trainers (Mets and Yankees) who had something to gain by talking about it.

The report is a complete biased waste of $50 million of tax payers numbers.

thanks for making me cringe, lat. wow- that was an uncomfortable lede.

How about a report on attorneys who do not do cocaine...

batters started doing steroids, hitting 70 homers a year, pitchers had to take steroids just to stay competitive, other batters to keep their careers. Fans all rejoiced with games filled with home runs and 105 mph pitches. Everyone profited. Now a select few are being nailed to the cross for all of it. Like we didn't know these 40 year olds having career comeback years were taking roids! Lets investigate wrestling next, I have a feeling one or two of those guys are taking illegal substances also.

The Mitchell Report is just another tool keeping famous black people down. A tool of the Black Crusaders. The Black Crusaders are a secret group of powerful Black Americans. Bill Cosby and Oprah Winfrey are the chief majors, but Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell and Gordon from Sesame Street, they're members, too, and they meet four times a year in the skull of the Statue of Liberty. You can read about that on the Interweb.

3:49: steroids increase bat speed. Even if you have great hand-eye coordination, if you don't have the bat speed to catch up to major league pitching, you won't go anywhere in baseball.

3:52: it's a huge issue. If you are a parent of a child who enjoys playing sports, you realize that there is a chance that your child will one day face the issue of PEDs. Every parent's biggest fear is that their child will come to the conclusion that he/she will have to get on a program just to compete. I'm sure a huge number of people who have taken steroids did not want to - they felt like they had to in order to level the playing field.

Funny how there were no Red Sox except Mo Vaughn on that list. George Mitchell is a director of the Boston Red Sox. He should have his bar license yanked for an unwaivable conflict of interest.

Those solicitation arrests are really taking a toll on George Michael. And who knew he had such an interest in baseball?

I could eat a peach for hours.

4:07(2) - wtf? and i actually posted that. these steroids are making me firsty and clueless.

4:06,

I don't think this report constitutes the practice of law.

Um, 4:06, there were actually 10 or so players who at one time or another played on the Red Sox. Thanks for playing though.

Even with the proviso that this is only a tip of the iceberg, I don't think the report should have revealed names based on interviews with 2 former NY trainers. Why is this report limited to those 2 NY trainers? Did Mitchell dig around Boston -- he's conflicted because he's on the Red Sox Board of Directors. Couldn't they have found someone independent? 16 present or former Yankee players were named. Looks like they started and finished with NY and felt satisfied with their incomplete investigation and results. This report is complete horse manure. Where there's an appearance of a conflict of interest, as is the case here, Mitchell should never have been chosen.

Lat, it's pronounced "brah."

3:55: Yankees fan, eh?

I use steriods all the time to help me with doc review. You should see my "button finger." You know, the finger that pushes down on the next arrow on my keyboard; it looks like Barry Bond's neck. Does anyone know where I can score some more roids, with this investigation all my sources have gone underground. How will I be able to continue with doc review?

You are all jealous asses since every major league player makes more money than a law firm associate--and they didn't even finish high school. They really don't give a shit about a $10,000 special bonus.

World Series 2000

So let’s see…

game 1: Pettitte (steroid user) vs Al Leiter. Winner was… Stanton (steroid user)

game 2: Clemens (steroids) vs Mike Hampton. Clemens wins.

game 3: Rick Reed vs Orland Hernandez. Franco wins.

game 4: Denny Neagle (steroids) vs Bobby Jones. Nelson wins.

game 5: Pettitte (steroids) vs Al Leiter. Stanton wins (steroids).

Just sayin...

4:05, I think I disagree. I think the only kids who would jump to that conclusion are the ones who are taking the game far too seriously or the ones who somehow think they can become career athletes. All the others ought to be doing it for fun or learning how to work with others. Parents shouldn't let their children get delusional enough to think that hitting a ball as fast as the doofus taking drugs at age 16 when his body is still developing will actually get them anywhere in the real world. Tell junior to pick up a book instead of a bat.

THERE'S A CONFLICT! HGH ONLY HELPS WHEN YOU'RE INJURED! THERE'S ONLY CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE! THERE'S TOO MUCH HEARSAY! 26 CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!! AAAAUUUGGGHHH

4:10 -- screw you. no prominent Red Sox player is named in the report. the report is incomplete horsehit and screwed the Yankees more than any other team. If it's incomplete, no names should be there. Thanks for playing asshole. Eat my shit.

I have HAD IT with these MOTHERFUCKING players on MOTHERFUCKING steroids!!!

Ah, the days of yore, when great players got that way by actually working hard...

Oh woe is me! The Mitchell Report is just a big conspiracy against the Yankees!

Get over yourselves. When your team is stocked with a bunch of the highest-paid, older players who all miraculously enjoy late-career rebounds, you can count on a number of them using drugs to help get them there.

4:05 pm is dead on.

7 Yankee cheaters. What a scumbag organization.

Wow, this is going very differently from the Barry Bonds thread--everyone has gotten quite blase about steroids use by professional athletes! I'm genuinely surprised!

4:18: Because there isn't enough evidence to convict some, no one should be convicted? Are you a lawyer? Have fun rationalizing this to yourself, but the guys who were named were named for a reason. Maybe some people were lucky they WEREN'T named, but it's not for a lack of evidence on the guys who were.

3:49: Actually, HGH is known for improving eyesight and reaction time significantly. Seems like a pretty good drug for a hitter.

Of course there's always the possibility that no current prominent BoSox player is taking steroids. Manny and David Ortiz obviously don't take roids (their faces haven't hardened and their physiques haven't changed). The only person, based on physical appearance, who may have taken steroids is Varitek -- but there was no jump in stats.

Face it, the Red Sox are clean. Suck it.

I love how Boras is out there saying this is all hearsay.... doesn't he know about declarations against interest... i mean come on hahahaha

oh and mm hmm from 4:16 is a plagarist

How many players are free agents? A possible way to keep free agency prices down? Andy Petite, Barry Bonds for two, but those can be explained as being too old to pitch and too likely to be in federal pound me in the prision to make a strong argument that the report is why they were not signed...The rest of the list looks really old and dirty though. Just a thought.

I hope they come after Clemens publicly just as hard as they did Barry Bonds, because his career is just as tainted now.

Integrity of the game my black ass.

4:26: If Clemens lied to a grand jury, I'm sure they would.

How many players are free agents? A possible way to keep free agency prices down? Andy Petite, Barry Bonds for two, but those can be explained as being too old to pitch and too likely to be in federal pound me in the prision to make a strong argument that the report is why they were not signed...The rest of the list looks really old and dirty though. Just a thought.

Just spreading the info, don't call the honor council.

Ok, here is a legit question:

Some of these guys have a banner year and sign HUGE contracts, only to have their production drop because they stopped doin the dope (see, e.g. Gary Matthews Jr.).

Should the club have any recourse, a la fraud, to get these contracts rescinded?

Clemens won't be touched because he was nice(r) to reporters.

Much to do about nothing.

Steroids without mega talent = nothing.

Steroids with mega talent in terms of ability to hit homeruns is unproven.

Who gives a flying whatever if some (or all) of MLBB used?

The health argument?

Professional sports has never cared about its players and for decades has encouraged them to play injured with a shot of Novocain to the kneee from the team doc, so give me a break!

I should have made it clear that I meant those members of the media who vilified Barry for violating the "sanctity of the game" like Rick Reilly and all those other idiots.

My mistake.

The Brian Roberts implication is retarded. He may have used, but all they have is Larry Bigbie's assertion that "Roberts told me he used." Wow. Great. I have never been one to complain about witch hunts, but is that is all it takes to drag a guy's name through the mud?

"And please save all the histrionics about how athletes are supposed to be role models."

THANK YOU, 3:52. It's total bullshit anyway. How many athletes, juiced OR sober, go home at night and beat up their wives and girlfriends? (Hint: plenty of those "role models" we teach our kids to look up to). I don't hear people crying bloody murder over that -- oh no, domestic violence doesn't matter, it's WAY more important that you play a stupid game the "right" way.

If you as parents can't find better role models for your kids than athletes with anger management issues, then you suck at raising children. I mean, can't YOU be role models for your own fucking kids? If your kids don't see a reason to look up to you, maybe they're onto something.

Also, I hate people who say "brah." "Bro" is bad enough, "brah" makes it sound like you were too lazy to even put in the effort to shape your mouth into an "O." Probably true for whoever was the asshole who first said it.

4:18, you want some cheese with that whine?

When everyone is super...then no one will be! muhahaha!!

4:05 is dead-on balls accurate.

I was just telling my husband today that if our kid wants to use steroids to enhance his game in order to get an athletic scholarship, I'd support that. Of course, I did 500 pro bono hours at A&P this year and am not eligble for my bonus, special or otherwise.

Happy Holidays children!

I always thought brah was short for brajole... brah

4:05 is dead-on balls accurate.

I was just telling my husband today that if our kid wants to use steroids to enhance his game in order to get an athletic scholarship, I'd support that. Of course, I did 500 pro bono hours at A&P this year and am not eligble for my bonus, special or otherwise.

Happy Holidays children!

The typical elements of a cause of action for defamation are:

1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party;
3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
4. Damage to the plaintiff.

Assuming some of names listed in the report never participated in steroids/HGH use, would we agree that Element 3 is where claims would fall short?

4:26:

Pre-perjury Bonds is different than Clemens in 2 (potentially 3) very important respects.

1. Bonds is a complete dick, so he was never going to get any favors from the public.
2. Bonds was the first big name linked to steroids, so he bore the brunt of the initial criticism. By now, people are sick of this story so the outrage will not be nearly as vociferous.
3. Bonds has denied use in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If Clemens is similarly defiant, I'm sure he will be the object of immense public scorn. See also Landis, Floyd.

These factors can account for the difference in the treatment of Clemens and Bonds; race is but a sophism.

Guys in my high school used to increase their hat sizes by five inches in a one year span all the time, it was no big deal.

my bonii is huge.

4:24, not to get too nerdy, but a "statement against interest" still counts as hearsay; however, It falls under the 804(b)(3) exception (when the declarant is unavailable). I believe you're thinking of an "admission by a party opponent," which is defined as non-hearsay under 801(d)(2).

Is it at all obvious that I have an evidence exam next week?

4:17. Athletic success has a lot of rewards, far more than just the financial rewards of professional sports. Therefore, it's a lot more than just the kids who dream of playing pro ball (although that alone is a huge number of kids). You also have to think about the kids in high school who are realizing that their .280 batting average isn't taking them anywhere, but a weekly injection might raise that average by 30 points, to the point where he might get a scholarship to college.

I like "brah" because it reminds me of Keanu Reeves in "Point Break." If you've ever seen "Point Break", you'd probably be a little more amused by "brah". It's like when Keanu says "whoa" in every movie he does. The guy is a clown.

It would probably hard to void contract on fraud exception since it seems everyone knew about the "fraud"....but I haven't read report...

Bonds wasn't even close to the first "Big Name" linked to roids. Are you serious?

"Honey, the guys want me to come back and play another season in New York..."

Remember that commercial? You'll never see it again.

There are other aspects besides pure bad sportsmanship.

Baseball is a billion dollar industry. It is involved in marketing, memorabilia sales, DVDs, concessions, tickets, cable, network TV, and the caps, globes, foam fingers, etc. that make up the souvenier sales. It portrays its industry as a non-fixed contest pitting two teams of individuals who are either talented or hardworking, and claims no one is using artificial chemicals enhancements and therefore fans can trust the players to be no more phyisically enabled that him/her.

Millions watch the games. More importantly, millions BET ON THE GAMES. Every newspaper carries "the line" of the current games for all sports, and baseball has twice as many regular season games as all other North American sports combined. If we find some players had an unfair advantage over others, where is the incentive for people to bet on the games, and therefore watch the games?

I know many people root for their home team, and do not bet. But knowing that some players violated league rules about cheating will destroy their collective desires to watch--how to know when your team is just bad, and how to know when the other team is cheating by juicing up?

It's cheating because it's banned by the league. The same as spitballs. If it were legal, it wouldn't be cheating.

Steroids improve bat speed, injury recovery, running speed, and arm strength. This enables players to hit homeruns when they would have been outs; catch up to balls they would strike out on before; last longer in their careers than those not using; steal more bases/ run out more hits/ run down more fly balls than before; and throw pitches harder/throw out more players than before. Home runs increase casual fan interest, as do athletic marvels and flamethrowing pitchers.

Counterarguments run that: 1) Steroids don't improve players; 2) Steroids do not affect fan interest, and therefore economic interest; and 2) Steroid use is a non-issue to the public at large. I just showed all 3 of these arguments to be false.

Suck it.

"You also have to think about the kids in high school who are realizing that their .280 batting average isn't taking them anywhere, but a weekly injection might raise that average by 30 points, to the point where he might get a scholarship to college"

The solution to this is obvious: put an end to sports scholarships. Don't let people go to COLLEGE unless they are actually COLLEGE MATERIAL. Like, with their brains and everything.

Do you know how to count 4:54?

"Honey, the guys want me to come back and play another season in New York..."

Remember that commercial? You'll never see it again.

4:54, you are an asshat. There are so many false assumptions and non-sequitors in that post I don't even know where to start.

Jason Grimsley uses an Anne Geddes-designed checkbook!? LOL!! (App. D at 6)

Guys at my TTT law school used to drive down to Mexico to get Deca and Whinny all the time, it was no big deal.

In fact, if anyone is interested, I still have pro-hormones/clomid/nolvadex to sell.

If you have to ask what they are, you shouldn't be using them.

Yeah, right 4:44: "Bonds is a dick" is a powerful argument.

Also, good luck on figuring out what the "sentence" "race is but a sophism" actually means; you can start with a dictionary.

The report is a JOKE.

5:05: Are you arguing that Bonds isn't a d*ck or that it shouldn't affect how people view him? He's been considered a d*ck since Arizona State, at least. Even his teammates hated him.

the only thing i'm interested in is how much DLA Piper made off of this thing - given the size of the report (over 300 pages) and hourly rates, im guess at least 10 mill...Thoughts?

There are other aspects besides pure bad sportsmanship.

Baseball is a billion dollar industry. It is involved in marketing, memorabilia sales, DVDs, concessions, tickets, cable, network TV, and the caps, globes, foam fingers, etc. that make up the souvenier sales. It portrays its industry as a non-fixed contest pitting two teams of individuals who are either talented or hardworking, and claims no one is using artificial chemicals enhancements and therefore fans can trust the players to be no more phyisically enabled that him/her.

Millions watch the games. More importantly, millions BET ON THE GAMES. Every newspaper carries "the line" of the current games for all sports, and baseball has twice as many regular season games as all other North American sports combined. If we find some players had an unfair advantage over others, where is the incentive for people to bet on the games, and therefore watch the games?

I know many people root for their home team, and do not bet. But knowing that some players violated league rules about cheating will destroy their collective desires to watch--how to know when your team is just bad, and how to know when the other team is cheating by juicing up?

It's cheating because it's banned by the league. The same as spitballs. If it were legal, it wouldn't be cheating.

Steroids improve bat speed, injury recovery, running speed, and arm strength. This enables players to hit homeruns when they would have been outs; catch up to balls they would strike out on before; last longer in their careers than those not using; steal more bases/ run out more hits/ run down more fly balls than before; and throw pitches harder/throw out more players than before. Home runs increase casual fan interest, as do athletic marvels and flamethrowing pitchers.

Counterarguments run that: 1) Steroids don't improve players; 2) Steroids do not affect fan interest, and therefore economic interest; and 2) Steroid use is a non-issue to the public at large. I just showed all 3 of these arguments to be false.

Suck it.

5:00 (2)-- please show me the truth, o wise one.

5:05:

4:26 argued that Bonds' race accounts for the difference in the public perception between he and Clemens. That Bonds is a complete dick (and this is uncontroverted) would certainly impact how much slack the public gives him, so to speak.

I'm sorry that you don't know what sophism means, but there isn't much I can do about that.

4:05, is that seriously your "biggest nightmare" as a parent? If so, get AIDS and die. For the sake of your kids.

5:12,

The only intelligible thing I discerned from your post is that you are very proud of having made it. That being said, wtf are you talking about?

Easy solution to the steroid problem in all of sports = just let the players do whatever they want to their bodies - let them ingest any and all substances if they feel it makes them better and help them deliver superior performances. This way there is absolutely no enforcement problem and as performances of athletes increase, viewers will benefit...Only downside I can think of is that athletes will consume substances that will harm them in the medium and long runs, but hell, if the athletes are okay with it, so should we...

4:32

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Lulz @ 4:54 getting pwn3d before his duplicate post even showed up.

"5:05:

4:26 argued that Bonds' race accounts for the difference in the public perception between he and Clemens."

No, he didn't--he argued that the media should come after Clemens just as hard as they did Bonds, since their claim for attacking Bonds was that the "integrity of the game was at stake." That has nothing to do with who is the bigger "dick," but since you can't read, I'm not surprised you can't figure that out either.

1. 5:21- I actually agree with you. Let the jocks kill themselves for our amusement, if that's their choice. But as of right now, it is illegal.

2. 5:21- O wise one, if you can't follow my argument, I assume your LSAT score mirrors the IQ of a chimpanzee.

Although I think the report was a good idea in theory (I am an Eagle Scout, after all), there seems to be several flaws -- among others, it notes that HGH is only detectable with a blood test, but then does not advocate that a blood test be required for players.

excuse me, not 2. 5:21, but 2. 5:21 (2). My apologies to 5:21 (1)

For everybody complaining about what was in and wasn't in the report: MLB does not care about what is in and what is not in the report. All they care about is that it exists. It doesn't tell anything that wasn't already being investigated. Everything in there was derived from criminal investigations.

The only reason this report was commissioned is so that it would exist. It is Selig's way of trying to close the door on the steriod era. The Mitchell Report is equivalent to the Warren Commission.

1. take steroids
2. do really well in baseball
3. get acquired by the Yankees
4. profit

I don't think it's a reflection on the Yankees more than on any other team. They're all a bunch of lying scumbags.

The Yankees just had more money to afford the lying scumbags who took enough steroids to stand out.

The problem with keeping these people out of the Hall of Fame, though, is that there are already a bunch of steroid users in there.

I think the worst villains in this are probably the players union brass.

5:35, will the MLB have a funeral for steroids the way a bunch of activists had a funeral for the n-word?

5:36:

I used to cycle steroids, but I sucked at baseball. So I couldn't get 3 and 4. On the plus side, I'm still jacked.

5:35: You don't think that MLB cares that a 7-time Cy Young award winner who is (was) generally recognized as the best pitcher in the last 50 years is listed among the players who took PEDs?

I generally agree that the purpose of the report was to close the door on the era, but baseball does care who is discussed in it.

5:27:

I interpret "Integrity of the game my black ass," to mean that the poster thinks that the divergent public perception of Bonds and Clemens is attributable to race. 4:26 certainly doesn't think that Bonds has undergone criticism for the media's stated reasons his actions have damaged the integrity of the game. Why else, other than race, would "my black ass" be brought up?

I simply posted 2 (potentially 3) reasons why the divergence can be explained without falling back on the intellectually lazy reason of race.

I think the purpose of the report was different--it was to grant the owners more power to conduct investigations.

Selig was cited in '95 as thinking they're might be steroids in baseball, but the union was too powerful to do any testing/banning. Even with the Caminiti exposure and subsequent circus with McGwire, Bonds, etc., the union stubbornly resisted open testing and long term suspensions. the Baseball union is one of the most powerful in sports, so the owners could not force it down their throats.

Now, however, with so many players named and marquee players too, people are going to turn on the players union as being a protector of liars and cheaters. The power will swing back to the owners on this one, and Selig isn't even the one doing the report.

Nanny state rulz.

5:48: Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying, but I don't think that the owners weren't looking for the power to conduct investigations. I'm sure they would not have cared if steroid use was rampant as long as they were making money. The reason baseball commissioned the report was because they needed to because of pressure from Congress and the threat that NOT doing anything would hurt the brand name. Now that there's a report, the game can move on and continue minting money.

Who cares? Baseball is boring. If it ain't football, it ain't shit.

apparently Mitchell is an attorney with DLA Piper

hmm, nobody from the '04 Red Sox.

hmm, nobody from the '26 Yankees.

Using steroids and then being publicly outed for it was my safety.

"If it ain't football, it ain't shit."

Good thing no one in football has ever used steroids, except that guy who used to have the sack record before Brett Favre let Michael Strahan tackle him....

...because if any football players had ever used steroids, I think I'd cry.

MLB inhouse to 190

The report is BORING. It didn't reveal anything that wasn't at least partially out in the media before hand. All it did was bring all the information into one source and generate huge fees for Piper.

I do have to question the intelligence of anyone who purchases illegal drugs with a check, let alone one with a cute Anne Geddes design.

4:05, if your kid needs to take steroids to improve his batting average to get a college scholarship, then he needs to be an adult and make a rational decision and decide whether the potential scholarship is worth the health risk. No one else cares about his dilemma or whether or not steroid use forces teens to make an adult decision.

405 writes " I'm sure a huge number of people who have taken steroids did not want to - they felt like they had to in order to level the playing field."

It's not like anyone held a gun to their heads. They had to take steroids *to compete in baseball*, not to save their families from certain death or to get over a terminal disease.

On the other hand, baseball's a business. It's not like these are just a bunch of sweet kids who love the thrill of competition and "America's pastime." Rather, they made a business decision to take steroids so that they could earn 6-8 figures playing their favorite sport and maybe being some kind of celebrity instead of living in obscurity and making much less money.

Baseball is more exciting when the players are faster and stronger. The owners certainly don't gain by having drug testing and potentially losing their best players. The players' union fights drug testing tooth and nail, which is surprising, given that the elimination of drugs from the sport would make them all healthier and better off as a group. Given all of this, if shouldn't surprise anyone that the sport is infested with steroids.

After all this work and this long report, there is no question that DLA will match bonuses.

The point wasn't that football players don't use steroids, but that any sport other than football is boring. Thus, reports related to those sports merit a "who cares?". Do you see that now, you dumbfucking simpleton?

4:56, Don't get all sactimonious. A .310 batting average wouldn't impress college recruiters. Decent high school hitters have averages more like .750. And the vast majority of high school baseball players take steroids anyway, even though they are too stupid to go to college, so the marginal number of kids who will use steroids to get into college is pretty darn low. Let's be honest; any high school kid who looks up to Roger Clemens as a role model is a fucking loser and deserves to die of Lyle Alzedo disease or get testicular cancer like Lance Armstrong did from using steroids.

Hey 4:16 idiot. Read the report. Pettitte did HGH in 2002 after the World Series and before it was banned by MLB. IDIOT.

Hey 7:07 idiot. Pettitte did HGH, unprescribed when it was against federal law. IDIOT.

lol @ 4:24 and david ortiz "obviously" not on steroids (though i agree manny's clean):

2000-2002 HRs (Min): 10, 18, 20
2003-2006 HRs (Sox): 31, 41, 47, 54

"I tell you, I don't know too much about steroids, but I started listening about steroids when they started to bring that [stuff] up, and I started realizing and getting to know a little bit about it . . . I'm off of buying things at the GNC back in the Dominican. But it can happen anytime, it can happen. I don't know. I don't know if I drank something in my youth, not knowing it."

-- David Ortiz

7:31: (1) list the ABs or the numbers are meaningless; and (2) are you familiar with the Twins' institutional philosophy when it comes to hitting?

5:48-- I gotta disagree. The report's job was to name names. This wasn't going to hush up the issue at all--it was designed to cause an explosion. Clemens and anyone named is going to see their reputations trashed, and Selig knew that the names named would have done so. Each player's going to be inundated with reporters and scrutiny. The report puts, and was meant to put, more scrutiny on the players involved, and not to hush it up.

I agree the owners liked the benefits they received from homeruns, etc. But they also didn't like being implicated as being complicit in assisting players juice up. They didn't like Congress breathing down their necks about cleaning up the game. This report focuses on the players and absolves the owners. It gives them leverage over the players now. They stand innocent, and multitude of players named stand guilty.

P.S. I agree they wouldn't have investigated without the outcry, but this was the outcome that leaves the owners/organizations in the best position that they could hope for.

I'll bet that tonite there are a lot of major leaguers who wish they had tipped the club house attendants better!

7:06, I was quoting an earlier post. I don't give a shit what batting average will get you a scholarship. My entire POINT was that we should get rid of athletic scholarships and only send people to college who actually deserve to be there.

6:43, you are awesome. Totally right on.

7:58, sure we should get rid of athletic scholarships, but not because they encourage steroid use.

Pettitte did not do HGH when the Yankees won championships. So suck it.

for all those thinking that race is a consideration for the whole 'my black ass' statement.....i am as white as they come and have used the phrase myself. it is a very common phrase that has been used for quite some time now. so get off of the whole race thing as it is not pertinant here.
As far as the 'roids go...if they are illegal in the sport, they should not be used...plain and simple. i am sure that if it were legal, ALOT more would use, and therefore benefit. however, since it is not legal, they don't. this obviously means that those 'breaking the law' have had unfair advantage over those who do the shit the hard way. personally, i am through with baseball, but then again have been through with baseball for a long time now as my team just thoroughly sux (shh, dont tell anyone, Rangers..lol)

Yankees to free HGH!!!!!!!

7:58, If a school decides that the benefits of obtaining quality athletes outweigh the cost of athletic scholarships, then it should be free to profit from this decision. You're an idiot, and you're probably bitter because you're out of shape and no one will f*ck you.

9:51, lol. You're the idiot. I'm a woman, which means my options for athletic scholarships would have been pretty circumscribed if I'd given a shit about sports anyway. I got into college and law school based on my intelligence, and I turn down offers for fucking pretty much any time I go to a bar.

As for being "free to profit," that's precisely the problem -- universities should be about learning, not profit. To the extent we want universities to be profitable, USEFUL scientific research is a far better us of resources, and that requires people with brains, not athletes. Anyway, I was never suggesting anyone shouldn't be "free" to do anything -- I'm not talking about legislation, genius, I'm just saying the system is stupid and should wise up.

I wonder how many people commenting on how they feel about the report have actually read it. It makes some strong arguments regarding how the use of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball affects society as a whole. Such as the fact that sales of androstenedione went up by over one thousand percent after the Associated Press reported that Mark McGwire used the drug. And by 2001, eight percent of male high school seniors had used andro within the prior year.

Then again, I wonder how a report that took over twenty months to produce could have a typo on page 22 stating that McGwire was pursuing the single-season home run record in 1988. This alone might be enough to destroy the report’s credibility among true baseball fans!

8:11: Just because the report says when they have evidence of him doing it does NOT mean he was not doing at any other time. You have no idea whether Pettitte and/or Clemens was juicing in 2000.

7:58/10:07: Ever hear of Title IX?

11:40, oh right, because Title IX magically makes women's sports profitable!

12:40 is right--College scholarships for sports serve no good purpose other than money. The reputations of strong collegiate athletic programs DEGRADE the academic prowress. In other words, if you went to UMiami, everyone thinks you're a joke.

I wonder when they'll allow smart, unathletic people onto major college sports programs to add "intellectual diversity" to a bunch of 'roid-infused jocks. Oh wait. No chance in hell.

Guys at my law school stuck long, pointy things into other guys buttocks all the time, it was no big deal.

Clemens joins Barry Bonds in the Hall of Fame hell, along with Pete Rose: none of them will be admitted if there is any justice, I wouldn't have touched Bonds w/ a vote before, and wouldn't as to Clemens now.

What a shame, they were both so great that they didn't need to shoot up to be a HOF quality player, now they're just a couple of cheating bums.

"The point wasn't that football players don't use steroids, but that any sport other than football is boring. Thus, reports related to those sports merit a "who cares?". Do you see that now, you dumbfucking simpleton?

Posted by: Anonymous | December 13, 2007 06:43 PM"

Fascinating: a two-fer: (1) gets it exactly backwards about what has become the boring steroid fueled game of f'ball played by almost non-humanoids and cheating coaches; and (2) reveals the kind of neanderthal personality traits so typical of the football mentality.

Ka-Ching!

4:14, do you go to Cornell Law?

If so, please return my calls.

7:58/10:07/12:40: I was responding to this: "I'm a woman, which means my options for athletic scholarships would have been pretty circumscribed if I'd given a shit about sports anyway."

"5:27:

I interpret "Integrity of the game my black ass," to mean that the poster thinks that the divergent public perception of Bonds and Clemens is attributable to race . . . I simply posted 2 (potentially 3) reasons why the divergence can be explained without falling back on the intellectually lazy reason of race."

As opposed to the intellectually rigorous reason of relative dickhood. Right. Just stop embarrassing yourself already.

I think it's strange that people are unwilling to see that Barry Bonds has been hated by his teammates, the media, and almost everyone else he's ever had to deal with, even before the whole steroids thing. He's been a notorious jerk his whole career. Clemens is not a great guy, but there's a huge difference between him and Bonds in their approach to other people. Clemens is oblivious but occaisonally good-natured; Bonds doesn't want to give anyone the time of day. If people followed baseball, they would know that Bonds has never exactly been liked. He's been respected for his performance on the field, but he's never been liked. And it's not about race. Bonds was hated at the same time Ken Griffey Jr. was the most-liked person in the game. Bonds is a jerk. Many people are happy to see he's getting what he deserved for that reason alone. The end.

Also, I'm not the guy dropping words like "sophic", so leave me out of his mess.

"I think it's strange that people are unwilling to see that Barry Bonds has been hated by his teammates, the media, and almost everyone else he's ever had to deal with, even before the whole steroids thing."
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I think it's strange that people are unwilling to see that those leading the attack on Bonds in the media did not claim they were doing so because he's a jerk and they didn't like him (that wouldn't have been very professional, would it?); they claimed they were doing so because his steroid use undermined the integrity of professional sports and made him a poor role model for young people.

Therefore, ANY professional athlete using steroids should have a similarly deleterious effect on the sport--indeed, a likeable athlete may have an even more destructive effect, since he presumably has greater "integrity" and a larger following among the young.

Therefore, the same people who were outraged by Bonds' CONDUCT should be equally or MORE outraged by Clemens' CONDUCT. The end.

I am NOT a role model.

10:50: So, your point is that those in the media are being inconsistent? I'm making a different point: I'm saying is that they're being inconsistent because they don't like Bonds, and not because of race or some other motivating factor.

10:50: So, your point is that those in the media are being inconsistent? I'm making a different point: I'm saying is that they're being inconsistent because they don't like Bonds, and not because of race or some other motivating factor.

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Fine--they just "don't like" Barry Bonds--but it it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to with race, because Roger Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch, Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, Jason Giambi, Eric Gagne and Andy Pettitte are all incredibly likeable and admirable human beings, who will all be judged by the sporting press based exclusively on their relative levels of likeability, and no other factor--I look forward to seeing some of them dragged before a grand jury for the same perfectly legitimate reason. Whatever gets you through the night.

7:58 I think potty mouth girls are hot.

1:22: Are you a lawyer? Do you have any idea why Bonds went before that Grand Jury? Have you ever followed baseball, or are you just jumping in now for the fun of it?

He was dragged in front of the grand jury because Polish IRS agents are prejudiced against Negroes.

He was dragged in front of the grand jury because Polish IRS agents are prejudiced against Negroes.

Bonds's hat size to 8 1/2!

Football to New National Pasttime!

Didn't hear anyone in baseball whining about steroids when McGwire / Sosa were saving the game following their strike years. Baseball sucks huge ass.