Loyola 2L Hangs Up His Keyboard?
This announcement, apparently from celebrity commenter Loyola 2L, was posted earlier at the WSJ Law Blog (which recently named him their Lawyer of the Year). But in case you missed it, check it out:
—–Original Message—–
From: [Deleted]
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:26 AM
To: Above the Law; WSJ Law Blog
Subject: Retirement email from the poster Loyola 2LDear WSJ Law Blog and Above the Law,
I hope the new year treats you well. This is the blogger known as “Loyola 2L.” First off, I hope you can see why I combined you into one recipient. I know it’s rude to combine recipients, but both of your blogs have been a central part of my life for the past year and I couldn’t write one without the other.
No offense taken -- we're honored to be in such distinguished company.
Read the rest of his message, below the fold. (An ATL New Year's resolution: Use more synonyms for "after the jump.")
Here's the balance of the message. We offer the same caveat as the WSJ crew: we can't vouch for the authenticity of this message.
RETIREMENT ANNOUNCEMENT FROM LOYOLA 2L
Before I get to the reason why I am writing, I imagine you would like some proof. Due to the nature of the moniker, I don’t have anything concrete. Even my IP won’t work as it changes every time I log in, so it will probably not match up with my posts. The best I have is the exchange below, which I had with Cameron Stracher a year ago. It also explains why I started doing this.
I had just read his article on the state of the legal profession. He was complaining about this or that. I don’t remember what it was, but it had nothing to do with the problems of my classmates. I had just gone through an astonishingly hellish six months looking for summer work. The months of job search difficulty - combined with Loyola’s and the profession’s seeming obliviousness to the problem - culminating with Stracher’s irrelevant article - these all just lit a match in my mind. I wrote Mr. Stracher, and vented all the frustration I was having. I told him everything I had wanted to tell Loyola Law School. As you can see in my email to Mr. Stracher, I also predicted that the “internet would effectuate a change one day.” I guess I made it my duty to help bring about that change.
All in all, thanks to your two blogs, I and (I imagine a lot of other tier 2 students) are very pleased with what we’ve accomplished. No one talked about the stinting tier 2 job market before. The common knowledge was that getting into a school like Loyola was a great accomplishment, sure to bring you a decent living. Now people know. The best example of this impact, was an exchange I saw between a foreign trained law student and an NYU LLM admissions representative. It’s documented here and you can find it by searching for the question from “Priya.” If people from other countries know about the problem then the word has gotten out.
Thanks to the ability of your blogs to act as a homing beacon for tier 2 grads and students – all wishing to give the prairie dog’s warning call - there is enough information out there for everyone to make an informed decision.
Now that, I hope, you believe it’s me, here’s the subject of this email. I am writing to let you know that I’m retiring from blogging. After spending a year on this project, I think it’s time to move on. I’ve become far too invested in it for my own good. I’ll often post, not because I’m interested in doing so, but because it’s the thing I do with my free time. Although it’s an important cause, I want to do other things with my life. We all have our things which we focus on, and you can’t really move onto another thing until you give up the thing you currently devote your attention to.
The main reason I’m writing, though, is to ask you to please give this a small note on your blogs. People sometimes expect me to comment on something, and I feel guilty not doing so. I want people to know that I’m not going to post anymore. I want the Loyola 2L moniker to die once and for all.
Please note this is not a faux retirement. I promise you will never see another post from me. I’ve lost interest in this pursuit for months really, and although I force a conversation out now and then, my heart’s not really in it. Related to this, there is no vast Loyola 2L posting base. I’m 95% of the serious posts from the moniker.
Thank you again for allowing me to post on your blogs, and I hope both of you have tremendous success in your blogging careers.
Have a great year,
Loyola 2L
End of an Era: The Retirement of Loyola 2L? [WSJ Law Blog]










Comments
Why does this whiny bitch get so much ink?
Posted by: rbk | January 2, 2008 01:05 PM
Oh, one other thing... who ate all the pies?
Posted by: Loyola 2L | January 2, 2008 01:06 PM
changed my mind. i'm not retiring.
Posted by: Loyola 2L | January 2, 2008 01:06 PM
this kid has way too much time
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:08 PM
Sounds like he finally got his $8.50 an hour job and doesn't have time for us anymore. Sad.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:09 PM
By chance, did you get a retirement email from the "first" guy?
Posted by: Fingers crossed | January 2, 2008 01:09 PM
Irrelevant guys in my high school used to claim to retire their anonymous internet moniker all the time. It was no big deal.
Posted by: ORIGINAL FRAT STUD | January 2, 2008 01:10 PM
I wonder if this guy is really a Loyola 2L. I always thought that it was some guy from Harvard or NYU, or another known school, making fun of the TTT.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:11 PM
They finally let me move up a grade!
Posted by: Loyola 3L | January 2, 2008 01:12 PM
Commenting on a blog makes your a blogger?
Posted by: Veteran Blogger | January 2, 2008 01:12 PM
Is he retiring as Loyola 2L because it just dawned on him that he's actually now a 3L?
Ling Live Loyola 3L!!!
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:14 PM
R.I.P.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:14 PM
I'm here to prove L2L wrong about his entire premise for living.
Posted by: Loyola 1L | January 2, 2008 01:17 PM
I AM LOYOLA 2L
Posted by: Loyola 2L | January 2, 2008 01:19 PM
I agree 1:11. After being named WSJ law blog lawyer of the year, Mr. "Harvard student playing a joke" realized it had gone too far and ended it.
Posted by: anon | January 2, 2008 01:20 PM
I'd bitch, too, if I didn't get a job through OCI with my sub-median GPA.
Posted by: It sucks for tier 1 grads, too | January 2, 2008 01:24 PM
What does TTT stand for?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:24 PM
1:24,
if you have to ask...you are one.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:31 PM
Why does L2L feel it's necessary to send out a memo of retirement? No one cares about L2L the person.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:31 PM
Retire...blah...blah...blah...
Stallone is doing Rambo XXXVIII.
There will be a L2L2.
Posted by: L2L2 | January 2, 2008 01:32 PM
1:24 -- Wikipedia has the answers to everything. Sometimes they are totally made up and completely wrong, but WP has an answer nonetheless.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:33 PM
@1:31--L2L was named "Lawyer of the Year" by the WSJ Law Blog. That's quite a distinction considering L2L isn't even a lawyer.
Posted by: It sucks for tier 1 grads, too | January 2, 2008 01:34 PM
My vajayjay is painin
Posted by: Loyola 2L | January 2, 2008 01:34 PM
What a self-important long-winded d-bag.
Seems like a perfect fit for the legal profession.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:34 PM
Not retired.
Posted by: WGWAG | January 2, 2008 01:34 PM
Yay!
Posted by: Tier 2 dean | January 2, 2008 01:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVxm-SO6Vdo
Posted by: The vajayjay reference | January 2, 2008 01:40 PM
so gald WGWAG is still in the game
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:42 PM
1:24: ttt= third tier toilet school (I think)
Posted by: anon | January 2, 2008 01:45 PM
The practice of law really must suck for the little people.
Posted by: Top 5 cum laude fed clerk BigLaw assoc | January 2, 2008 01:45 PM
Only Pirates retire.
Posted by: Ninja | January 2, 2008 01:46 PM
1:09 - Now THAT would have been nice.
Who cares about L2L, besides the work comp / insurance defense partner who will be ordering him around for the next 3-5 years.
Posted by: Hurley | January 2, 2008 01:49 PM
Good luck and God Speed
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:52 PM
What exactly has he accomplished other than whining about being a poor? How is it loyola's fault that it is a TTT or that he enrolled in a well-known TTT?
I lose respect for this assmonkey every day. The poors always blame everyone else for their problems; that's why they're poors.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 01:54 PM
JT won't stop and can't stop
Posted by: Justin Timberlake | January 2, 2008 01:56 PM
In answer to 1:24-
TTT stands for "Third Tier Toilet," a term popularized on the autoadmit blog site. TTT is typically used to refer to colleges and law schools that do not rank in the top 20-25. On this site, TTT may also refer to law firms that are not highly ranked.
The term "TTT" is used exclusively by men with very tiny penises. Its use helps to assuage their shame and resentment in two primary ways.
First, it gives them a brief sense of superiority - regardless of whether they actually attended a highly ranked institution.
Second, the use of an "insider" term gives them a brief sense of belonging to a greater community- the sort of thing they lack in their real lives.
Posted by: anon | January 2, 2008 01:59 PM
I am Kaiser Sose!
Posted by: Captain FIRST! | January 2, 2008 02:02 PM
I killed Kaiser Sose.
Posted by: Ninja | January 2, 2008 02:08 PM
rofl @ the comments in this thread, especially the vajayjay one!
Posted by: anon | January 2, 2008 02:09 PM
Captain FIRST! and Ninja were both dead the moment they posted.
Posted by: Kobayashi | January 2, 2008 02:14 PM
To answer your question 1:24, TTT stands for the type of school 1:59 attended.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 02:25 PM
1:34, yes, L2L was named lawyer of the year. Not the PERSON who is L2L. The difference? L2L is an idea. Anyone can post as L2L to complain about what it's like to be a poor. So the fact that the person who created L2L will no longer posting is irrelevant to everyone except L2L and his/her mom.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 02:26 PM
My god... it's full of stars!
Posted by: David Bowman | January 2, 2008 02:28 PM
1:59 - you make a good point about the use of TTT, but you seem to have forgotten that women can use the term too. It is not "used exclusively by men with very tiny penises" - it can also be used by women with very tiny breasts.
Posted by: Womyn can say TTT too | January 2, 2008 02:30 PM
I am Tiger Woods.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 02:47 PM
I retired once, but it didn't take.
Posted by: Grover Cleveland | January 2, 2008 02:48 PM
To Womyn can say TTT too-
Well said. I apologize for the oversight.
To 2:25-
Thanks for proving the point.
Posted by: anon | January 2, 2008 02:54 PM
1:59 -- you forgot men with chronic premature ejaculation problems. Sometimes these TTT-slingers have perfectly normal sized penises, but they just can't hold their juice when it counts and the psychological damage makes them petty, mean SOBs.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 02:54 PM
Not a surprise that L2L couldn't get a job. Quality writing, my friend! Typos and grammatical errors are sure to endear you to prospective employers. Fool.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 02:56 PM
Loyola 2L is an idea son; something esoteric, intangible, and yet, somehow personal to each individual while remaining universal to all who have suffered the pain of not going to a Top 5 and actually having to, you know, be awake at an interview.
L2L is the question and the answer, the alpha and the omega, the chicken and the egg, Abbott AND Costello.
You see Dick Clerk? Jeez he looked bad
Posted by: Justin Timberlake | January 2, 2008 03:26 PM
3:26 - Wonk, Wonk, Wwwoooonnnnkkkkk
Somebody hit the gong.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 03:34 PM
Just wiki'd "third tier toilet" and got this article, which is quite heavily vandalized:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelena_Jankovi%C4%87
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 03:37 PM
Thegonghuhthe80scalledtheywanttheirjokesback
JT's bad about spelling Clark wrong
Posted by: Justin Timberlake | January 2, 2008 03:59 PM
LOL. So, L2L (may have been) serious, then? I'd actually hoped that it was a mock persona, whether created by a T5 student/grad or otherwise...just because it would be depressing to think of someone wasting that much time on bona fide whining when they needed badly to be looking for a job. Actually, it's depressing to think of any single person wasting so much time on L2L, whether real or not. I'm glad he's putting the moniker to rest.
Now, you know whom I actually miss (from the old days of xoxo/PR board) - Roger Luo. If we could swap out L2L for Roger Luo, we'd be in great shape.
Posted by: HLS5L | January 2, 2008 04:03 PM
Loyola 2L will never truly die, as long as all of mankind longs to hear or create tails of the woe of the slightly-less-elite.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes | January 2, 2008 04:07 PM
GF, you made my freakin' day, man!
Posted by: BigLaw mid-level | January 2, 2008 04:11 PM
"Now, you know whom I actually miss (from the old days of xoxo/PR board) - Roger Luo."
xoxo poster=loser.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 04:13 PM
Although I disagreed with a fair amount of what Loyola 2L said, I'd like to wish L2L good luck. L2L is right that it can be bleak going if you can't land a job in biglaw and law schools disguise this reality in an effort to attract paying students. The combination does a nasty disservice to the very people the schools are supposed to help.
Posted by: Thanks for the Memories | January 2, 2008 04:52 PM
Move over L2L, there is a new sheriff in town!
Posted by: Cumberland 3L | January 2, 2008 05:05 PM
HLSSL, you are the worst writer in the history of mankind.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 05:08 PM
Harvard = best in Asia.
Posted by: loved Roger Luo | January 2, 2008 05:36 PM
Yo, Why are you sponsoring this "lawsuit abuse" website? I don't like abuse of anything: lawsuits, lawyers, producers, or consumers. But you make a decision to raise awareness of one form of abuse - of lawsuits - and you are effectively hiding the abuses that corporate defendants purvey. Where's your cite to PIRG or mediamatters?
On balance, its my view that corporate defendants will try to get away with absolutely anything - whether its exploding tires or poisoned childrened toys - unless the regulatory state stops them. Our country has the smallest regulatory state in the developed world and, to boot, our federal government precludes states from shutting down its borders to harmful goods (which is why CA and 15 other states are suing the EPA today). The net result is a mandated unencumbered market for food cunsumer products.
Rest assured, the government will protect wealthy traders on Wall Street -- those regulations are operating at full speed. But if you want assurances of non-harmful food or non-harmful consumer products, you better bank on a developed plaintiffs' bar, because the federal government is only keeping the borders open; they don't care what comes in.
Posted by: Lawsuit Professional | January 2, 2008 05:57 PM
Someone have a link to that Priya thing he mentioned? She sounds hott.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 06:26 PM
guys at my high school use to retire from blogging all the time, it was no big deal.
Posted by: TTT_frat stud | January 2, 2008 06:37 PM
Here you go 6:26 http://www.law.nyu.edu/programs/corporatellm/
The WSJ blog had the links.
Posted by: anon | January 2, 2008 06:37 PM
I mean here,
http://www.nyulawglobal.org/graduateadmissions/06afternoontranscript.htm
That's the correct link.
Posted by: anon | January 2, 2008 06:38 PM
Why do you think she's hot 6:26? You likey the Indian womenz?
Posted by: anonymous | January 2, 2008 06:40 PM
Loyola 2L is an asian man, and his new pursuit is white girls.
Posted by: anon | January 2, 2008 06:42 PM
Shit, Lat is sponsoring the Lawsuit Abuse campaign? How lame. Lawyers are the last people those tort reform fucks should be targeting, because we're too smart to fall for their arguments.
I mean, I know Lat's got to pay the bills, but that's pretty ridiculous for a legal site to play the tort reform game.
I use Adblock, so I don't actually see any ads on this site... guess I wasn't missing anything.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 08:08 PM
PS: ATRA and the Chamber of Commerce should be ashamed for exploiting the Chungs' misery for their craven political goals. Maybe someone should be asking why the Chungs got billed $100K to defend a ridiculous pro se suit.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 08:09 PM
Just added Adblock Plus. Very nice.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 08:52 PM
No. I am Loyola 2L.
Posted by: Loyola 2L | January 2, 2008 10:19 PM
Hello, my name is Loyola 2L and I'm a poor.
Posted by: Loyola 2L | January 2, 2008 11:00 PM
Spamming other people's comments doesn't count as blogging.
Hence, he/she/it can't "retire from blogging" any more than Maureen Dowd can resign the presidency.
Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 3, 2008 12:07 AM
Loyola 2L's claim to have authored 95% of the L2L posts is flat out wrong. I did 10% myself.
Posted by: SPARTACUS | January 3, 2008 01:37 AM
L2L: GOOD LUCK TO YOU. YOU SHOULD WORK THAT WSJ ANGLE AND GO INTO JOURNALISM....IT DOES NOT PAY JACK EARLY ON BUT THE PEOPLE ARE NICER
DAMN, I WILL MISS BUSTING ON TIER 2 DEAN, THAT FIRST CLASS TIER ONE LOSER.....PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN PRETEND TO BE HIM NOW!
Posted by: I'M TIER 2 DEAN AND I'M "RETIRING" TOO | January 3, 2008 06:28 AM
Lat, I always thought ATL would offer L2L a job upon graduation as a blogger. It's a shame to see such talent ride off into the sunset. I'm sure it can't be that hard to figure out who L2L really is - any decent private investigator would be able to do it. Lat, you should find him and give the poor TTT student a job!
Posted by: Anonymous | January 3, 2008 08:38 AM
Come on Lat, give the poor guy $10 an article.
Posted by: anonymous | January 3, 2008 12:02 PM
so sad. i love l2l! he keeps it real. . . . real stupid. . .
i mean - for real - if you're top 10% in a second tier law school - you will absolutely get hired by a first rate firm. it's these morons who get a 143 on the lsat and then rank in the "bottom 50%" in law school that should QUIT WHILE THEY ARE AHEAD!!!!!!!! WAKE UP BOTTOM 50%!!!! You may be a great person but you're not so smart. And you're not going to make a lot of cash out of the gate. End of story.
Now - some of these folks might make it and so the other aspire to reach those ranks. But that's like 1 in the bottom 50%. It's time for those people to drop out.
It doesn't help that there is a freakin' proliferation of law schools that is absurd. But - such is life.
Follow your dreams bottom 50%! Become an architect or a musician or an artist or a small business owner or a c.p.a. or a public policy major or a g.p.s. expert or a . . . . something other than a miserable lawyer! You will be happier and happiness is so much more important than the stupid "special bonus." I know I'd rather spend my birthday with my husband than get $100K.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 3, 2008 09:00 PM
So what's the rumor, the punk actually has a job?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 31, 2008 06:22 PM
1:59 to TTT!
Posted by: Anonymous | January 31, 2008 09:03 PM
Penske?
Posted by: Anonymous | February 1, 2008 02:12 PM
I heard the real story: that Loyola 2L had flunked out of Loyola after his 2nd year. He didn’t make the cut but blamed the school. He was really, really pissed off at Loyola.
He had already incurred 2 years of law school debt but no degree. And yet, he was stuck with the loans. So he decides to take revenge on the school by badmouthing it all over the internet. He creates this L2L alias with fraudulent information about his grades, standing, etc., to make it believable.
He won't come out of hiding b/c he knows once he does he will face a libel/defamation lawsuit and possible criminal charges.
He knows of this vast potential liability, so he has been extremely crafty in using his computers in ways to hinder tracing. But it is only a matter of time before law enforcement and technology finds him.
I hope he can put aside his anger some day and realize it was not the school's fault for him flunking out. He needs to take responsibility for his own mistakes. Granted he did bring awareness to problems within the legal profession but that was only a collateral byproduct of his other mission: to take revenge on Loyola.
life is too short to carry such anger. Our lives are what we make of it.
Posted by: Revealed | February 23, 2008 05:24 PM
This is regarding the post that Loyola 2L flunked out.
I graduated Loyola, it is very difficult to fail out your second year. The school doesn't cut a percentage of students each year - like other schools. The school openly states this -- and openly encourages 2L's with bad grades to stay for a third year.
The reasoning is simple economics. If you have spent two years of tuition/living expenses - you might as well gut out the third. Non-law employers will give you a salary bump based on having a JD.
Posted by: loyola grad | March 5, 2008 06:59 PM