Sometimes We Receive Really Odd Email
In the wake of this story, which had a happy ending, we received this email:
I read about you helping the woman with cancer who wanted to wear her hat in court.I'm handicapped, paralyzed with a closed head injury.
I'm in a wheelchair and rarely leave my condo except to see doctors.
I've lived in my condo since August 1989. I brought the bird feeder from Mom's house after she died.
Now Ms. [xxxx], the new Property Manager, has ordered me to get rid of my water and chipmunk ramp.
I've been here 18 years. She's been here less than a year.
My whole outside world is my patio with the bird feeder, and water and chipmunk ramp.
I have appealed to [xxxx] Management in Buffalo Grove, IL, but they won't help me.
I hope you will.
We're much better at helping Biglaw associates secure pay raises, or law clerks snag clerkship bonuses. The law governing whether a Chicago condo tenant is entitled to keep a chipmunk ramp on her patio lies outside our expertise. Also, we're not admitted in Illinois.
But if you're a landlord / tenant lawyer in Illinois who might be willing to help our correspondent, please email us, and we will put you in touch with her. Thanks.










Comments
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Posted by: yo | January 17, 2008 04:03 PM
Strange, but nice of you to post it.
Posted by: Anon | January 17, 2008 04:03 PM
That is the saddest thing I've ever heard.
If one of our litigating park slope mommies who spends half the day in the lactation room lounging and passing off work to their non-breeder counterparts, does not help this guy, I will personally steal all of the milk from every lactation room at every top 50 firm in NY and dump it down the sewer.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:05 PM
I call bull shit! This letter smells of associate boredom!
Posted by: Come On! | January 17, 2008 04:05 PM
He should send around a petition in the complex and submit it to the management. That should say something about the sentiment of the community regarding the matter.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:07 PM
Does she live in NY or IL?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:09 PM
Sounds like this woman has a chipmunk ramp that is inviting vermon into the building. I'm on the landlord's side on this one.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:11 PM
I think the only reasonable solution would be for my company to get out there and exterminate those rodents. This degenerate is only encouraging the pests to come around and leave droppings all over the place!
Just remember, chipmunks are nothing more than cute little RATS.
Posted by: Terminex | January 17, 2008 04:12 PM
If this is all some sort of on-the-sly reference to Obama's past drug use, I find such tactics deplorable.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:13 PM
Chicago to Chipmunk ramps!
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:15 PM
What the hell is a chipmunk ramp?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:20 PM
Does a closed head injury make one retarded? ATL didn't "help" the woman with cancer. Her reading comprehension is totally TTT. She probably wants to go to Fordham someday.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:20 PM
I'm not licensed in NY, otherwise . . . And stop staring at my gorged ___. You know who you are.
Posted by: Litigating Park Slope Mommy | January 17, 2008 04:21 PM
Duh... it's a ramp for chipmunks.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:21 PM
4:20, you clearly aren't a patent attorney because if you were, you would know that a chipmunk ramp is a ramp for chipmunks . . .
Posted by: Duh | January 17, 2008 04:22 PM
I need to get a Jessica Biel ramp for my office
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:24 PM
4:13 - comment of the (still young) year.
Posted by: Yes | January 17, 2008 04:25 PM
this is flame. where did this person hear about the cancer hat lady? etiher this person reads this blog or heard about it from someone who reads this blog. It is unlikely that the person reads this blog, because this person doesn't indicate having the kind of verbal abilities that you need to decipher the 'you-go-girl!' tone this blog usually takes. that leaves talking to someone who reads this blog, which means talking to, most probably... a lawyer. so either this person already knows lawyers who *should* be able to help if the case has any merit, or the person is... flame, and this is all fake. Or the person can read at a high level but writes like they can't.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:34 PM
Don't even joke about pouring out liquid gold in to the sewer. THAT'S NOT FUNNY.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:38 PM
http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?start=0&t=27793
Just search for "chipmunk ramp"
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:40 PM
Alvin, Simon, or Theodore?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:46 PM
4:34, the article about the judge's apology in the cancer-hat incident mentioned ATL by name. If she read of that incident, she knows about ATL. And the article was written such that it implied that ATL had an effect on the judge's decision.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:49 PM
This lady doesn't need lawyers! What she needs is a scientologist because when you're a Scientologist, you know you're the only one who can really help ... We are the way to happiness. We can bring peace and unite cultures.
Posted by: Scientologist T.C. | January 17, 2008 04:49 PM
THAT'S CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET THIS PERSON HAVE THE BIRDFEEDER. THAT'S CRAP!~
Make an exception.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:51 PM
4:51 and all other retards who can't read:
The property manager is only making her get rid of the "water and chipmunk ramp." This does not encompas the birdfeeder, as evidenced by the third to last sentence: "My whole outside world is my patio with the bird feeder, and water and chipmunk ramp."
Why shouldn't the lady be prevented from bringing vermin into the building? She can still watch the birds and come up with another way to make her patio more enjoyable.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:58 PM
Reminds me of a neighborhood in which I lived where the neighbors fed the squirrels. Fed the squirrels. Who feeds squirrels? They're bushy tailed rats with large teeth that like to chew their way into attics and nest. The only thing I've ever fed a squirrel was .22 lead. (Note: they're very tasty unless they've been feasting on pine nuts, in which case they taste like turpentine). Bird seed is a primary attractant for RATS. Landlord, you're right. Tell her to get some goldfish or a cat.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 04:59 PM
Jesus some of these tards are not only elitist but whine about everything, and of course have to thumb their noses/automatically assume that this is a prank. Good to know that our "finest, elite" attorneys are all selfish pricks with no compassion whatsoever.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:03 PM
Maybe she can move outside the City. Perhaps Litigating Park Slope Mommy can help....I understand she has VAST TRACTS OF LAND.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:04 PM
do we really need people like this around?
Posted by: anon | January 17, 2008 05:10 PM
Ok - I have an idea as to what a chipmunk ramp is, but why do they need one? Aren't chipmunks, like squirrels, nimble climbers? Just how high off the ground is this lady's patio, anyway?
Posted by: so so | January 17, 2008 05:10 PM
Her best recourse is to appeal to the property manager's decency and the cuteness of chipmunks. The exterior of a condo (including one's "own" patio) is common property, and I suspect the bylaws have some sweeping prohibition on putting such things outside.
Another route is to persuade enough of her fellow tenants (probably 66 or 75%) to change the bylaws to permit "chipmunk ramps and water" on patios.
HTFH.
Posted by: Reckless giver of legal advice. | January 17, 2008 05:13 PM
I love how this is posted under the topic 'Animal Law'
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:16 PM
he...he...he! Lat said "happy ending"...well, he won't get that from the wheelchair lady. hehehe...
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:18 PM
If this is a request, then I think Lat did the right thing posting it. I am assuming he could get some indication by the email sent to him as to whether it's a prank or not. Maybe not? In any case, it's nice that ATL has done some good (with the bad-attitude judge case) besides pimping us lawyers/students. Way to go Lat.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:21 PM
I would let her keep her bird feeder and chipmunk ramp. Are we really at the point that we're denying people kindness and compassion?
A lot of these posts appear to be written by urbanites who believe the only acceptable tree is one surrounded by concrete, and the only acceptable animal is one on the plate served for dinner. Those of us born and/or raised and/or touched by spending any time at all in the vast but rapidly diminishing wilderness/countryside will tell you that critter watching can be a true joy.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:22 PM
4:59 = Hick
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:25 PM
This propery manager sounds like a ninja.
Pirates > Ninjas
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:27 PM
5:21
Even under the title "Really Odd Email"?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:27 PM
"My whole outside world is my patio with the bird feeder, and water and chipmunk ramp."
So confine her to to the inside world. Any civil society would not want such freaks on open display anyway.
And apparently she has the internets and ATL, so she can still feed her Lat jones if not her beloved chipmunks.
I say make the rat lady get rid of the vermin paraphernalia.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:30 PM
May be a hick, but when the revolution begins your 190k won't feed you. You'll be begging me for some tasty squirrel meat.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:32 PM
4:05 simply wishes he could have a taste of the teet!
Posted by: Anony Mommie | January 17, 2008 05:34 PM
Now that you've posted this one, you can count on getting a lot more "really odd" emails.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:43 PM
Does it ever bother you to realize what entitled elitist little pr!cks some of you are?
To mock a shut-in? Does that make you feel BIG? Why don't you brag about how much more money you have than this person?
There are legitimate arguments about whether this person should be allowed to attract chipmunks, who are (while cute) rodents, or to actively set out standing water (mosquito breeding grounds). Fine. Debate those. But don't mock someone who is house-bound.
D-bags.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 05:48 PM
This is so sad. I hope someone is able to help her negotiate to keep her backyard full of chipmunks and birds.
The landlord sounds like an imperious meanie.
Posted by: In favor of Head Injury Lady | January 17, 2008 06:07 PM
Loyola 2L now has a client!
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 06:07 PM
I now have a client!
Posted by: Loyola 2L | January 17, 2008 06:08 PM
Do you think this lady masturbates with the chipmonks before eating them?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 06:22 PM
shame on you all for making fun of her. IF she is serious, I hope she gets help.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 06:26 PM
5:04, I believe you mean *huge* ... tracts of land.
Posted by: monty | January 17, 2008 06:30 PM
If I've said once, I've said it a hundred times:
Let the woman have her chipmunk ramp, people.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 06:33 PM
A lot of guys at my school had closed head injuries, were paralyzed, and had chipmunk ramps. It was no big deal.
Posted by: Frat Stud | January 17, 2008 06:44 PM
Potential client seeks legal advice and has email pasted by lawyer on blog, with enough specific details that the principals involved in the case could identify her.
I don't know the rules in NY (or if Lat is barred anywhere else), but if this is not a literal ethical violation (because it is a potential client), it is certainly against the spirit of the duty of confidentiality. See ABA Modle Rule 1.18.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 06:45 PM
Maybe I'm a sucker, but I believe that this is a real request and it's also really sad. I hope someone can help this lady out. I don't care when ATL readers attack and insult each other, but geez, a paralyzed lady confined to her condo?? That's pretty low. Although, I did have to laugh at the Scientology joke, but that doesn't count because Scientologists are crazy and try to sue everyone who says so.
Posted by: leave chipmunk ramp lady alone | January 17, 2008 06:48 PM
Am I missing something? What makes people think this person lives in NY?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 06:58 PM
Seriously? You're quoting the Model Rules? Douchebag.
Posted by: anonymous | January 17, 2008 07:12 PM
here's a chipmunk ramp: http://www.fyabulous.com/alabama/grotto.html
Posted by: this is a chipmunk ramp | January 17, 2008 07:14 PM
I don't know the rules in NY (or if Lat is barred anywhere else), but if this is not a literal ethical violation (because it is a potential client), it is certainly against the spirit of the duty of confidentiality. See ABA Modle Rule 1.18.
Not so fast douchebag- she impliedly consented to distribution and had not expectation of confidentiality by referring to ATL's efforts in "helping" the hat woman. That "help" was in the form of posting the Judge's actions on this Board.
I would like to violently assault you with a heavy blunt object.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 07:19 PM
This disabled woman owns a CONDO people!!! I'm a 2nd year Biglaw associate with NO property. Let's put this matter into perspective and give help to those (e.g., me) who need it.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 07:25 PM
Apparently 7:25 also has a closed head injury.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 07:30 PM
7:19: Control your aggression. She contacted David Lat, who is a Lawyer and held himself out as such.
Maybe she wanted help in the form of publicity, maybe she wanted legal advice. The key is that it's not CLEAR she wanted the former and, as a professional, you should err on the side of protection confidential information, especially where the countervailing interest is pumping your own Blog. If he was unsure, he should have replied and asked, or gotten her consent to post this. He didn't, he just posted it (apparently) without consent.
To make it worse, he's publicly mocking her.
It's one thing to be flippant about BigLaw, but this is offensive.
Posted by: 6:45 | January 17, 2008 08:16 PM
Am I the only one here contemplating 1DisabledLady1ChipmunkRamp.com?
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 08:22 PM
No he didnt- She specifically mentioned knowing about him "helping" the other lady. That help was provided as a blogger not a lawyer- I think I should assault you as well
Posted by: 8:16 | January 17, 2008 08:26 PM
Or maybe she's confused. Many prospective clients are -- that's why they contact lawyers. You shouldn't assume she knows the whole context.
Posted by: 6:45 | January 17, 2008 08:37 PM
Or maybe she's a chipmunk. You're going to deny that she's entitled to confidentiality because a chipmunk? That's incredibly unprofessional too.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 09:04 PM
A chipmunk ramp:
http://www.fyabulous.com/alabama/grotto9.jpg
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 09:43 PM
9:04, learn to READ you retard. "I'm in a wheelchair and rarely leave my condo ." Chipmunks can't own property, real or personal. The woman is clearly human.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 10:54 PM
10:54: Are you sure that's true in Illinois? I thought Barak came to power on a pro-chipmunk-property-rights platform.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 11:19 PM
clearly, none of you have read Jenkins v. Tex. Dep't of Land , 318 S.W.3d 54 (Tex. 2000), which held that ramps for chipmunks are protected under the Chipmunk Salvation Act of 1975. fuckin dingbats.
Posted by: anon | January 17, 2008 11:21 PM
6:30 Ouch, you are correct. As possibly the ONLY person on this website old enough to have seen this in 1975 when it came out, I am very ashamed to have blown it. HUGE tracts of land. Damn. I'm slipping.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 17, 2008 11:23 PM
For the love of all things holy, let the boy keep his chipmunk ramp!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4800303816761057726&q=%22herlihy+boy%22
Posted by: Anon | January 18, 2008 12:23 AM
"Or maybe she's a chipmunk. You're going to deny that she's entitled to confidentiality because a chipmunk? That's incredibly unprofessional too."
If she's disabled AND a chipmunk, that would COMPLETELY explain the need for a chipmunk ramp and the feeling of desperation when the property manager wants to take it away.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 18, 2008 02:39 AM
I'm not sure why the email was characterized as really odd. If the email was sincere and not a prank, it doesn't strike me as odd.
Posted by: Anon | January 18, 2008 03:51 AM
Someday some of your warped minds will actually view a chipmunk; not just on-line with your fantasy identity, but a live one.
Really, they do exist as do people confined to home with a window as opposed to an office with a Dell computer.
Posted by: -- | January 18, 2008 06:23 AM
4:05 pm - please don't dump out that milk. It's delicious. Trust me.
Posted by: oh mama | January 18, 2008 10:09 AM
Death to the chipmunk haters!
Posted by: Alvin | January 18, 2008 11:22 AM
I think my chipmunk ramp might be defective. Are there any ATL biglaw readers who might want to take on a pro bono products liability case for me?
Posted by: Miffed in Schenectady | January 18, 2008 12:51 PM
Mmm. Chipmunks and breast milk, must be snack time.
Posted by: Hungry Lawyer | January 18, 2008 02:02 PM