Wherein We Hear From john quinn of Quinn Emanuel
For whatever reason, Quinn Emanuel — the highly prestigious, super-profitable litigation powerhouse, with offices in California and New York — has received a disproportionate amount of coverage here at ATL. As we previously wrote, “we have a lot of tipsters over there. It seems that QE associates love to talk about their firm, for good or ill.”
And it’s not just associates. Last night we received an email from John Quinn, the “legal titan” and “known litigation genius” who founded Quinn Emanuel. In his long and detailed email, Mr. Quinn addresses several of the criticisms of QE that have surfaced on ATL. This was our favorite part:
it has been suggested that i do not use capital letters in my typing in an effort to be “cool.” i am not cool; wish i was, but after 56 years i don’t think it is going to happen. the fact is i am not coordinated enough to hit the shift button with one hand and a letter with the other.
Check out his complete email — in which he addresses a whole host of topics, including billables, bonuses, partnership decisions, partner compensation, and even office supplies — after the jump.
We thank John Quinn for taking the time to compose and send in this highly informative and thoughtful email. No senior partner at a top firm has ever sent in such a detailed response to criticisms of his or her firm on ATL.
As one of the firm’s defenders previously noted in these pages, Quinn Emanuel is committed to “open and honest communication.” Such transparency is commendable. It suggests that the firm has little to hide, and much to be proud of. We wish that more leading law firms were as transparent and accessible as Quinn.
EMAIL MESSAGE FROM JOHN B. QUINN OF QUINN EMANUEL TO ABOVE THE LAW
someone called my attention to the postings on this site and i wanted to respond to some of them. we love our firm and what the lawyers at our firm have accomplished. we welcome discussion about us, but we want people to have accurate information.
it has been suggested that i do not use capital letters in my typing in an effort to be “cool.” i am not cool; wish i was, but after 56 years i don’t think it is going to happen. the fact is i am not coordinated enough to hit the shift button with one hand and a letter with the other.
some thought it was unfair that the bonus cut offs were determined at the end of the year (or that there were bonus cutoffs at all). we have in fact tried calculating bonuses different ways, including paying everyone the same bonus. it did not seem fair to us, or to many associates, to pay the same bonus to an associate who worked 1900 or 2000 hours as one who worked hundreds more. for that reason, we draw distinctions. in the past it has been our practice to determine cutoffs at the end of the year. it is clear that this was very unpopular with some associates this year. so - this year, for the first time, we will announce what the cutoffs are before the end of this month. as i have also said, i do believe that the associates who joined us as laterals had a legitimate gripe the way their bonuses were calculated and we are going to redo the calculations.
it has been said that we are “cheap.” maybe we are; i would like to think thrifty is a better word. we try to spend money on the things that help win cases. our furniture, for example, is (i hope) tasteful but i’m sure you can find better and more expensive furniture at many other places. in los angeles on the 10th floor we do not even have a ceiling - the pipes are all exposed. most people seem to like it that way. it is probably true that those who seek the trappings of a traditional “wall street” firm would be disappointed by some things at our firm. we are not for everybody, i am sure. i will say that we are not adverse to spending money on good parties!
there have been complaints about desks without drawers, office supplies, bulletin boards, and late expense checks. i really cannot believe that someone got a desk without drawers. if this is true, i would like to know about it. when it comes to office supplies, i likewise do not know what is referred to. i have talked to peter calamari (the managing partner of our new york office for you non-qe’ers) and he does not know what is referred to either. anyone who has difficulty getting office supplies should let dave henri in la know. checks to reimburse expense reports are cut twice per month. anyone who is not reimbursed within 15 days of submitting an expense report should tell dave henri.
one person is adamant that quinn emanuel does not pay the “top rate” in new york. any associate who billed 2100 hours at our firm last year made as much as anyone at any major firm in new york, so far as i am aware (with the possible exception of wachtell). obviously i am taking into account the full special bonus - which less than 10 firms in the universe paid - qe being the only such firm based outside nyc - and in which qe raised cravath $5k - half of which will be paid in june. it is true that those who billed less than 2100 hours did not receive a full bonus and those who billed less than 1900 hours received no bonus at all. if that is what is referred to, we plead guilty.
one other possible exception is for some senior associates and of counsel. associates at our firm are up for partner after six years. we try to compensate associates and of counsel more than six years out of law school based on our assessment of their contribution to the firm. the compensation for such people ranges quite a bit. so, as to those senior people, we do not necessarily pay “scale.”
some said that the only reason we were able to make all eight associates partner who were up this year is because we told some to withdraw their names. so far as i am aware, this did not happen. no doubt some associates assessed their chances and decided to withdraw their names or to postpone their candidacy. we try to avoid the indignity of an associate coming up for partner and being passed over. in the past, associates have withdrawn their names in one year, only to make it in a later year. that we were able to make eight out of eight this year shows that our system works. we are really proud of these fantastic young partners.
someone said i was a “dictator.” in the context of a law firm i am not sure what that means. if you make the right decisions about who you practice law with, lawyers do not need to be governed; you just need to see that they have adequate help and stay out of their way. at our firm we have very little governance. we have only one committee (the contingent fee committee). the partners only meet to elect new partners. for matters such as recruiting or real estate, where someone needs to be in charge, we designate someone and let them do the job. we have probably two dozen partners who joined us laterally from other firms. none of them miss committee or partnership meetings. they love it here. and, anyone who knows our partners knows they are not the kind of people who can be “dictated” to.
i do have a central role in determining partner compensation. i solicit input from all partners, publish a proposed distribution schedule and then work out any differences (never more than three or four) with the partners who have issues (and i generally find that they are right - that i have overlooked something). i do not know if this is the best system, but it works. recently, the partnership voted, using a website that permits anonymous voting, to determine whether we should continue deciding compensation this way or whether we should investigate alternatives. only 6 partners voted to examine other methods. so - as long as my partners want me to continue doing what i am doing, i will. when they do not want me to, we will try something else. but the fact is our system has worked. we have never had any controversy among our partners about compensation. i do not know another firm anywhere that can say that.
there has also been speculation about whether we have adopted a “two-tier, non-equity” partnership. the answer is we have not. all partners in our firm sign the very same partnership agreement which has the exact same terms that apply equally to all of them. the partnership agreement makes no distinction at all among partners. all partners have one vote. what may be referred to is our recent decision to give partners in their first three years guarantees (which are a minimum, not a maximum) of what they will make. this has always been true for first year partners. we recently extended it to the second and third years.
i’m not a blogger and don’t expect to become one, but it is interesting to look in and respond. for those interested in the firm, the information on the qe web site is meant seriously. we are obviously very proud of our firm. we believe that the emergence of our firm as a major player in the business litigation world over the last years is - dare i say it - unparalleled and transformative. our verdicts speak for themselves. no firm tries as many business cases as we do or wins as many. and, we have no intention of letting up.
John B. Quinn
Quinn Emanuel Urquhart Oliver & Hedges, LLP
865 South Figueroa Street, 10th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90017




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WSJ law blog, eat your heart out!
why would this dude care what is said on ATL? he is right......he isn't cool at all!
Quite impressed with Mr. John Quinn. But seriously man, cover up the pipes in your LA office! That's not "thrifty," that's "Thrift Store."
that is about the stupidest reason i've heard for not using capital letters. he's "not coordinated enough to hit the shift button with one hand and a letter with the other" and yet he's coordinated enough to use both hands to type out that long-winded e-mail? what a joke. furthermore, the fact that he even bothered to write his e-mail to atl just goes to show that he, in fact, is trying to be the cool guy that he actually isn't.
legal titan he may be, but his grammar skills leave something to be desired. "wish i was"?
I wonder how is he coordinated enough to insert quote marks, but not capitalize letters?
is it true that QE doesn't pay LA summer associates for their cab rides home after summer events? i know that has been the case in the past, but am wondering if it is still the case.
seems like a good way to encourage drunken driving. maybe that is what is meant by "thrifty."
good explanation. it's a big deal that named partners at biglaw like john read this blog and feel a need to justify themselves.
our collective voices (and Lat's) have been heard. (look, no caps; i'm uncool like john.)
I like this dude. A whole lot.
War John Quinn!
i think it's pretty cool that he wrote to this blog. i also think it's pretty cool that he doesn't capitalize. i think his lack-of-coordination excuse was in jest. i don't capitalize because i'm lazy and i think lower case looks better.
I am not an associate at QE and, in fact, I knew very little about them before Lat starting obsessing over them. However, this letter gives me a very positive impression of the firm. If I was back in law school, I would give QE a look. Since I am not, I am going to go back to billing.
wow. that was a lot of spin. fact: qe screwed associates who worked between 2000 to 2100 hours this year. it was a cheap, crappy move. they're doing it right this year by announcing early, but that doesn't fix what they just did.
grammar is fluid, 2:05.
See, e.g.,
I wish I was a little bit taller
wish I was a baller
wish I had a girl who looked good I would call her
grammar is fluid, 2:05.
See, e.g.,
I wish I was a little bit taller
wish I was a baller
wish I had a girl who looked good I would call her
Awesome.
This is ridiculous.
JBQ: We all know people who were told ahead of time they weren't going to make partner. You make it sound like you did them a favor. It is true that it is nice for them to be able to pull their names out when they are know its not going to happen but it still remains true that stating 8/8 made partner is deceiving. It makes it sound like anyone whose was up made it and thats just not the case. You are parsing words about what it means to be up.
Why don't you address people who missed the bonus by hairlines instead of using examples of people who were at 1900 or 2000? Those are not the hard calls or the gripes. You know it. Individuals above 2050+ are who we are talking about or who seriously contributed in other ways. These individuals received less bonus then they would have had you not given the "special" bonus and provided them with the standard bonus. Why don't you acknowledge that associates were misled about how bonuses would be calculated by JP and other partners and thats what makes what happened particularly unfair? Why don't you acknowledge the people who billed hundreds of additional hours for the firm, only to be denied the additional 10k bump at 2500 if they missed it by miniscule numbers. Again, I'm not talking about people who billed 2200. I'm talking about 2485, 2490.
No one says you don't have the right to draw the line somewhere. But, when you implement it like you just did, people need to know about it ahead of time. Saying you are going to fix it for next year doesn't fix what happened this year.
And reimbursements take 15 days? Can any QE associate name a time when that has happened for them?
You make it sound like there is a collective aspect to how decisions are made here. Maybe other partners who deal with associates on a daily basis are disingenuous when they shrug their shoulders and indicate their hands are tied when it comes to making decisions - almost like they are also the victims. Which is it?
Quinn to grammar school!
I summered in QE LA and QE NYC and never once paid for transportation to or from any firm-sponsored event. As for the pipes on the tenth floor of QE LA, I would note that it is the floor on which JBQ's, and Bill Urquhart's, offices are located. I found that the exposed pipes gave the tenth floor a kind of chabby chic. Plus, it's the floor with the coffee bar and barrista!
stud
Lying bastard. You claim that you don't use capital letterss because you are too uncoordinated to use a shift key, yet you somehow manage to use !, ", ( and ) without any problems?
NY to john quinn!
Awesome!
I think its really cool that he spent time to write that and let us know about some of the QE issues.
I wish my firm would offer some transparency like that.
Very smart publicity move on QE's part. John and his media/PR people are quite savvy. Even though the letter contains very little substance, it makes QE seem different - cool, one might say. Certainly it will help reinforce this message to law students, who are an important ATL demographic.
wow
Awesome!
I think its really cool that he spent time to write that and let us know about some of the QE issues.
I wish my firm would offer some transparency like that.
2:22 -- when did you supposedly summer? i call shenanigans. the firm certainly did pay for cabs home from all of our events in NYO. (i filed and got reimbursements within 20 days)
2:22 -- when did you supposedly summer? i call shenanigans. the firm certainly did pay for cabs home from all of our events in NYO. (i filed and got reimbursements within 20 days)
i summered at ny biglaw and took cabs home after events all the time. i rarely got receipts cuz i was too wasted and when i did i threw them out because it wasn't worth the $7 to worry about. might be different in LA.
Free publicity for QE! And you all took the bait. Way to go!
"some said that the only reason we were able to make all eight associates partner who were up this year is because we told some to withdraw their names. so far as i am aware, this did not happen."
So the guy with a "central role," has to qualify a denial by saying "so far as i am aware"?? This means that definitely did happen.
and then we're going south carolina!oklahoma! and arizona! and north dakota, and south dakota! and oregon! and new york!
and then we're going to washington to take back the white house!!!
yeeeeeehhhhhaawww!!!
2:32, did you read 2:22's post? He said he never paid for cab rides either.
clearly didn't summer in 07.
I'm a Terrell Owens fan... I want to see him dance!!
can associates listen to their ipods at quinn's ny office when working?
JQ to NYC. this rocks. the guy's cool. impressive. wtf cares about grammar and his little joke re coordination. great statement. great words.
I'm a TO fan dawg... I want to see him dance!!
First, thank you 2:47 for pre-emptively defending my honor. Secondly, I'll go the preemptive route myself and call myself out for JBQ-like grammar splicing and the inexcusable use of "chabby" instead of "shabby" in my 2:22 post. To be fair, though, maybe I was still thinking of cab reimbursements, since "chabby" is an anagram of "Yab H. Cab." By the way, in case my earlier phrasing was unclear, Quinn paid for transport when I was summering at both NYO and LAO. Having applied for reimbursements at both offices, LAO is quicker for the same reason that email/files are sometimes slow in NYO -- most of the adminstrative departments are in LAO.
Peter Calamari gave me a desk without any drawers but it was full of delicious baby squid
Props to John Quinn for answering questions from ATL head on and adapting stupid, stuffy PR with a direct e-mail. Quinn leads the industry by it's transparency and by uniquely adapting to blawgs like ATL.
just got an A in Article 9, beotches
jbq's the man. nice e-mail.
Nice work 3:07.
Seriously, compare this to the terse and/or nasty e-mails Lat's gotten from other law firms, and this one comes out looking pretty amazing.
"This is ridiculous.
JBQ: We all know people who were told ahead of time they weren't going to make partner. You make it sound like you did them a favor. It is true that it is nice for them to be able to pull their names out when they are know its not going to happen but it still remains true that stating 8/8 made partner is deceiving. It makes it sound like anyone whose was up made it and thats just not the case. You are parsing words about what it means to be up.
Why don't you address people who missed the bonus by hairlines instead of using examples of people who were at 1900 or 2000? Those are not the hard calls or the gripes. You know it. Individuals above 2050+ are who we are talking about or who seriously contributed in other ways. These individuals received less bonus then they would have had you not given the "special" bonus and provided them with the standard bonus. Why don't you acknowledge that associates were misled about how bonuses would be calculated by JP and other partners and thats what makes what happened particularly unfair? Why don't you acknowledge the people who billed hundreds of additional hours for the firm, only to be denied the additional 10k bump at 2500 if they missed it by miniscule numbers. Again, I'm not talking about people who billed 2200. I'm talking about 2485, 2490.
No one says you don't have the right to draw the line somewhere. But, when you implement it like you just did, people need to know about it ahead of time. Saying you are going to fix it for next year doesn't fix what happened this year.
And reimbursements take 15 days? Can any QE associate name a time when that has happened for them?
You make it sound like there is a collective aspect to how decisions are made here. Maybe other partners who deal with associates on a daily basis are disingenuous when they shrug their shoulders and indicate their hands are tied when it comes to making decisions - almost like they are also the victims. Which is it?"
amen, brother.
So people that work at QE are call qe'ers. Just saying.
i like this guy. i wish i went to harvard or another similar lawschool so i could work there. also, IF they had a chicago office...hint hint, mr. quinn...do it!)
better yet, some day i will open my own shop with a similar business model: contingent fees or partial contingent fees (but not like the typical plaintiff's securities firm). such is the future, and the future is now. QE, Bartlit Beck, and others have been doing it for years. it just has not become mainstream.
kudos QE.
2:22, when did you summer? i only know of one lao/nyo split, and i don't think he'd post on ATL
is this how i do it? is this how i post again to my earlier "blog"? i don't know, i'm no blogger; wish i was. anyway, it appears i need to continue to clear some things up that some obviously didn't get in my earlier blog. it is fair to say all 8 who applied for partnership got it. remember, i said we try hard to save some from the "disgrace" of not getting a partnership offer. this means that some are told beforehand not to apply because they may have a better shot in the next year if they improve their book of business. there are other things that i guess i should clear up, but i need to call a client and get back to doing what qe does--win cases.
-jq
SUMMERS: you f**** greedy idiots. Do you remember that you'll get more than $3000 a week for doing nothing but having a blast, drinking, and trying to look important. You guys have not accomplished anything yet but still will make more than $3000 a week. And now you're crying because you have to pay the cab fares... OMG...I could puke. Really. Get a grip. Accomplish something, like finishing law school and passing the bar. THEN you can ask for money - but still have to pay the cab fares yourselves. F*ckers.
is this how i do it? is this how i post again to my earlier "blog"? i don't know, i'm no blogger; wish i was. anyway, it appears i need to continue to clear some things up that some obviously didn't get in my earlier blog. it is fair to say all 8 who applied for partnership got it. remember, i said we try hard to save some from the "disgrace" of not getting a partnership offer. this means that some are told beforehand not to apply because they may have a better shot in the next year if they improve their book of business. there are other things that i guess i should clear up, but i need to call a client and get back to doing what qe does--win cases.
-jq
SUMMERS: you f**** greedy idiots. Do you remember that you'll get more than $3000 a week for doing nothing but having a blast, drinking, and trying to look important. You guys have not accomplished anything yet but still will make more than $3000 a week. And now you're crying because you have to pay the cab fares... OMG...I could puke. Really. Get a grip. Accomplish something, like finishing law school and passing the bar. THEN you can ask for money - but still have to pay the cab fares yourselves. F*ckers.
This guy seems like a straight shooter. I like him.
2:20 is a little bitch. If you're a real QE associate, send out some resumes. If you're not, stfu
SUMMERS: you f**** greedy idiots. Do you remember that you'll get more than $3000 a week for doing nothing but having a blast, drinking, and trying to look important. You guys have not accomplished anything yet but still will make more than $3000 a week. And now you're crying because you have to pay the cab fares... OMG...I could puke. Really. Get a grip. Accomplish something, like finishing law school and passing the bar. THEN you can ask for money - but still have to pay the cab fares yourselves. F*ckers.
I didn't summer in 2007, if that's what you're driving at. If you're not a 2007 summer, maybe we can rap about old times, such as the bear spray incident in Billings.
"anyone who knows our partners knows they are not the kind of people who can be "dictated" to."
scary..
isn't it interesting that 2:20 is a dude if you think he's saying something agreeable ("amen, brother") but a girl if you don't like what she's saying ("little bitch")?
hey 3:34 - you sound like a frustrated partner or kiss ass of counsel/glorified associate. the points 2:20 made are pretty much spot on. address them or why don't you do us all a favor and stfu.
I have already given my notice. Couldn't be happier.
2:20,
which office?
I like this guy. I thought this response on ATL was cool, and if I didn't already have my summer job, I would give QE a look (I didn't the first time around). But what do i know, i'm just one of the lowly law students the associates on here love to hate on.
"obviously i am taking into account the full special bonus – which less than 10 firms in the universe paid – qe being the only such firm based outside nyc –"
http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/01/associate_bonus_watch_a_few_mo_1.php
I would guess more like 30 firms paid the special bonuses, and here are 2 examples of non-NYC-based firms that did.
JQ killed me... avenge me!
To those of you QE'ers who billed between 1900-2100 hours, you're like nice office furniture--why pay top dollar for you? Also, to anyone who blogged that Quinn is transparent, have you not been keeping up? The whole genesis of this nonsense was that associates have absolutely no idea about what's happening re: bonuses or anything. This email is why JQ is a great trial lawyer--the appearance of being thoughtful and concerned is more important than if you actuallly are. Smart PR move but little substance.
thanks, john. you provide yet more incentive for your associates to pad their hours. i am sure that those billing north of 2100 really helped win cases through document review and discovery pissing contests. nothing like a system that blindly rewards inefficiency. too bad those associates in the 1900-2099 range didn't think to overbill clients a few extra hours. those who did certainly benefitted.
good thing your thriftiness has maintained the ability of you and your partners to make on average nearly 20 times the salary of a first year. clearly, it was a really tough year for the firm and that bonus line had to be set really high. just keep inching that number up, and soon you can be demanding 3000 hours from all associates.
jbq rocks
I used to work at Quinn's Texarkana office.
thanks, john. you provide yet more incentive for your associates to pad their hours. i am sure that those billing north of 2100 really helped win cases through document review and discovery pissing contests. nothing like a system that blindly rewards inefficiency. too bad those associates in the 1900-2099 range didn't think to overbill clients a few extra hours. those who did certainly benefitted.
good thing your thriftiness has maintained the ability of you and your partners to make on average nearly 20 times the salary of a first year. clearly, it was a really tough year for the firm and that bonus line had to be set really high. just keep inching that number up, and soon you can be demanding 3000 hours from all associates.
re: the capitalization thing - look, i'm just a simple caveman who went hunting for some mammoth, fell into a crevasse and got frozen in ice, and then thawed out by some scientists in 88. then i went to law school. so maybe i don't understand your modern "capitalization" or how to "send an internet" to someone. i'm frightened when my blackberry curve vibrates in my pocket - every time, I think "oh no, there's some kind of spirit mad at me" - because i'm a caveman, that's how i think. but what i do know is that qe is dedicated to remaining a major player in the litigation world for many years to come.
I am an associate at the Texarkana office. I've never heard of john quinn.
re: the capitalization thing - look, i'm just a simple caveman who went hunting for some mammoth, fell into a crevasse and got frozen in ice, and then thawed out by some scientists in 88. then i went to law school. so maybe i don't understand your modern "capitalization" or how to "send an internet" to someone. i'm frightened when my blackberry curve vibrates in my pocket - every time, I think "oh no, there's some kind of spirit mad at me" - because i'm a caveman, that's how i think. but what i do know is that qe is dedicated to remaining a major player in the litigation world for many years to come.
I am an associate at the Texarkana office. I've never heard of john quinn.
And how to explain Faith Gay?
4:50, say any excuse you want but the fact of the matter is that you worked significantly less than your colleagues and it is only fair that your colleagues be rewarded accordingly. This has nothing to do with padding.
i wonder if it might be possible for jbq to write a follow up email addressing the rumor that it's easier to become a partner at qe if one's last name is also an appetizer.
Sure wish I could get an offer at QE.
Or anywhere...I'm back MOFOS!
5:12, 2080 v. 2130 is not significantly more. Plus, if you billed 2130, I'm guessing you aren't consumed with guilt that the guy who billed 2290 got the same bonus as you. Perhaps you should share some of yours?
amen 5:21.
seriously 5:12. think before you speak. margins between people who got full or 1/2 were much smaller than what your message conveys and the next bump were the people who really got screwed. even 5:21 was generous when discussing options. there were people got dissed at 2090+ when people at 2110 got the full.
You know, what's interesting about these QE people is that they save the their harshest words for their fellow associates. Above, someone compares their coworker to nice office furniture. In the last post, someone said (in an approving way) that you can do well as QE by "dominating your peers." What does it say about the firm's culture that associates are so happy to see others get screwed, to tell them, "You deserved it."?
"obviously i am taking into account the full special bonus – which less than 10 firms in the universe paid – qe being the only such firm based outside nyc"
Fewer than, not less than.
And oh by the way, WilmerHale is paying them (checks come on Friday), and it's not based in NYC, and it didn't require 2100 billables either!
John Quinn to 190k... then we post his nonsensical commentary
I really liked that post. Still think it's a shame that some associates were left in the dark -- and I respectfully disagree with my benefactor about office supplies and reimbursements, but this post made me really happy to be here. I have to say that it really is an open environment, no b.s. committees, no bureacracy, and the focus really is on winning cases. It's an exciting place, and quinn is an admirable person who built this firm from nothing in a very short time period.
I really liked that post. Still think it's a shame that some associates were left in the dark -- and I respectfully disagree with my benefactor about office supplies and reimbursements, but this post made me really happy to be here. I have to say that it really is an open environment, no b.s. committees, no bureacracy, and the focus really is on winning cases. It's an exciting place, and quinn is an admirable person who built this firm from nothing in a very short time period.
I really liked that post. Still think it's a shame that some associates were left in the dark -- and I respectfully disagree with my benefactor about office supplies and reimbursements, but this post made me really happy to be here. I have to say that it really is an open environment, no b.s. committees, no bureacracy, and the focus really is on winning cases. It's an exciting place, and quinn is an admirable person who built this firm from nothing in a very short time period.
This proves QE's reputation among students at my top West Coast law school, that QE is more style than substance, and why they weren't successful in recruiting the cream of the litigation crop here.
3L = Loyola 2L?
6:52, no, QE would never recruit at Loyola.
6:52, the only California schools QE (LA office at least) recruits from are Boalt, UCLA, and Stanford.
why has no one raised the brilliance of non-capitalization a la e.e. cummings. it's a way of life.
and it does amaze me that named partners at (most) top firms have no idea how to use the internet. generational gaps are always so shocking to me.
that said, everything i hear about qe is that it rocks, at least in the sense that it is not 'just another big law' firm.
see how i used ' instead of the double thingy ... because that only requires one key per hand. if je had a blackberry pearl he could just hold down the single key for caps. that might upset the space/time continuum.
blah blah blah blah blah. associates that billed 2099 hrs or less still got HALF the bonus of their colleagues at other firms. everything else is pr nonsense. and cut the "non-ny based firm" bullcrap. quinn may be based in LA but the new york office is driving the profits. and the new york office will be the biggest office within the next 3-4 yrs.
ps - and all qe offices expect ny hours.
7:51: then you're a jackass for not staying late and billing on more hour instead of surfing porn and rubbing 'em out on you desk. Any associate that blls xx99 of ANYTHING is an unmitigated idiot. Maybe if you idn't spend so muh time blogging...
Kudos to JBQ, by the way. Brilliant. Say whatever you will. I am happy to be working at a firm where the higher-ups have more than gin-soaked olives between their ears.
6:41: "cream of the litigation crop"? GIVE ME A BREAK!! the only thing you know about cream is ... well, I won't go there. Suffice it to say you, nor any one of your "west coast" cohorts know nothing about litigation. you know how to whine, yes.how to be greedy, yes. lit? sit down, son. you're a naked sheep stuck in the mud on a dark rainy night surrounded by wolves.
The cream of the litigators are right here, at quinn. period.
seems to be that quinn emanuel is the only firm that that has as many critics as it has defenders.
That was a really cool email, I have a positive impression of this guy after reading it.
5:13 : you may be on to something!!we have a cattatori (jeff), and two calamaris (peter and someone else). Shit.. I'm changng my name to caprese..or maybe even provolone!! P, here I come!
new game-- go to quinn website, and name all attorneys with a food for a last name.
8:17-You're right, us ignorant law students don't bestow upon QE litigators the demigod status that they deserve because they are the best thing ever to happen to the litigation world.
But it still doesn't change the FACT that the moot court winners and finalists and the LR editors (all with offers, mind you) at my school all chose to summer with MTO, Paul Weiss, DPW, Latham, Williams & Connolly over QE.
Has anyone else noticed all the comments on here that are quite clearly from quinn partners? You'd think they would make an effort to not be so obvious about it.
Heads up, JBQ: there are just as many pissed off associates today as there were 3 weeks ago when many of us (or our colleagues) got completely screwed on bonuses. All these people throwing around the word "transparent" are full of BS. Not to beat a dead horse, but people seem to be quickly forgetting the bigger issue: NUMEROUS associates, especially in the junior ranks, were within 5-20 hours of the secretive 2100 cutoff, and lost HALF of their bonus. Transparent? Yeah, right.
All this crap in JBQ's email is a total publicity stunt to do damage control for the benefit of recruiting top-tier law students and laterals (which, I might add, QE already has a hard time doing). But the fact that JBQ refuses to undo what he did with 2007 bonuses will not be forgotten. The fact that he and the partnership didn't consider the impact that would have on morale is telling. Oh, and don't think the firm won't try to pull similar stunts in the future.
Can't hit a shift key? How on earth does he write a brief? Or is winning on the papers beneath a QE litigator?
It may be his personal style, but that's the most ridiculous excuse I've heard in a long, long while.
9:16 -- then vote with yer feet. I'm not a partner (honest), but I'm sure the partnership can collectively count on one hand the number of <2100 billing associates that are missed, or even remembered, five minutes after they walk out the door.
Is it that tough to bill an average of 41 hours a week? Eat lunch at your desk, or come in a bit early, or leave a bit late, and work the occasional weekend morning -- BOOM, you're at 2300.
Some of us are lucky to have life-partners in non-law firm positions, who keep us grounded and remind us that bonuses are not a God-given right. A bonus is called a bonus because it's a bonus.
Word on the street is that the "exposed pipe" ceiling had to be custom designed and installe, costing dramatically more than a standard ceiling would have. It's all about the image of "thriftness," not the reality.
Doesn't the street have more interesting things to discuss than QE's ceilings?
What a blowhard asshole.
10:06: LOL!!! l I couldn't have said it better.
9:36 Meatstick still in the office and not getting laid: the POINT is the lack of notice. JBQ can set bonuses at 2300 if he wants. Its his blowhard, thrifty, God-given right.
Its the bait-and-switch tactics and this publicity stunt to post here like he did to clean up the mess.
Juniors have very little control over their billables and you (non-partner partner kiss ass) know it. Highly likely, you were not a junior at this firm tho.
boo hoo hoo. cry cry whine bitch moan. "I made hundreds of thousands of dollars for working less than 40 hrs a week. I'm so underpaid."
so glad the babies are back. Open your friggin eyes. you are in the top 3% of earners in the richest country in the world and you didn't even work hard.
it's all about transparency. all the qe associates that are bitching had multiple offers from other firms and were essentially lied to and screwed out of tens of thousands of dollars that they would've gotten had they accepted any one of the aforementioned offers. john quinn then tries his same aw schucks routine to mislead new recruits. thank god for this site. CAVEAT EMPTOR law students.
Actually, people who billed over 2000 definitely "worked" more than 40 hours per week. 10:34 is talking as if every hour in the office is billed, which it is not. To bill 8 hours a day, you need to work at least 10 hours. Maybe 10:34 is one of those associates who pads his hours and bills for every second he isn't at home trying to get his wife to do him. Maybe the fact that she won't is why he's "working" as much as he is. Maybe 10:34 doesn't have to do much "work" that is made up of business promotion, pitches, recruiting and other non-billable work. Maybe 10:34 has no friends in his office, so he can bill every second he's at 51 Madison Ave., which, the way he talks, wouldn't be a surprise.
the $3MM PPP was made off the backs of associates. other firms have an 1850 cutoff for full bonus, why not QE?
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Dear Quinn:
Allow me to repeat myself.
Enjoy the press. Your 15 minutes are almost up, your efforts to prolong your time in the spotlight notwithstanding.
The only reason you get any press on here at all is because you screwed over your associates and they're pissed enough to come out en masse to bash you.
Potential recruits be warned. The only people backing Quinn on this blog are the partners, who think they can fool you with their rah rah posts followed by unfettered associate bashing. (Transparency this, transparency that? I wish I went to Harvard so I could work at Quinn? I'll start my own firm so I can emulate Quinn? We won't miss associates billing less than 2,100? Making hundreds of thousands and whining?) One thing is certainly transparent: that the partnership monitors this blog and posts liberally. And they have no respect for their associates. Any of them.
Get a clue. You're 43rd on the Vault prestige list. And you arguably aren't even on the list of the 10 best California firms. Forget acting like you're a New York player. The "we're exclusive" schtick is cute, though. Your recruiting results and reputation among other lawyers belie your bravado.
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I would also like to point out that so many partners at Quinn hoard associates - I.e. literally not allowing them to take other work - that a prominent LA partner recently sent a firm-wide email stating that this practice should stop. I, through personal experience as well as through first-hand knowledge, know for a fact that thus practice has resulted in many associates not hitting 2100 hours through. I fault of their own. in fact, these associates (me included) TRIED to take on more work to get their hours up but were told NO.
QE is an alpha male/female shop where everyone only looks out for themselves. Partners want associates to be at their disposal then screw them out of bonuses. Where there's smoke there's fire. it's no coincidence that QE sparks so many tipsters to this website.
before bashing, please know that the typos above are due to my typing on a blackberry.
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I'm sure you're logging IP addresses of posters. It would be interesting to see how many of the comments are coming from Quinn IP addresses. Especially ones from individuals claiming not to be Quinn employees ("i like this guy. i wish i went to harvard or another similar lawschool so i could work there.")
Hey 9:36, why don't you step off your high horse and try to remember what it was like to be a junior associate (i.e. 1st through 3rd-ish years). It is impossible (yes, impossible), at least at Quinn, to bill a consistent 41 hours a week. All of us had several weeks throughout the year where, through no fault of our own, we didn't have work, but were still in the office for 8-10 hours hours banging on doors looking for work, or helping with pitches, and being stressed about not hitting hours. Or were on cases where partners told us we couldn't bill for certain things.
Junior associates who bill over 2100 hours get there only by having several months full of 50-60 hour weeks. Which isn't the end of the world, because yes, we get paid a lot of money. But the point is that juniors have basically no control over their work flow, and many of us aren't lucky enough to have a sufficient number of 50-60+ hour weeks to offset the numerous slow weeks and nonbillable hours and put us over 2100 total.
And this business about a bonus not being a God-given right? Sheesh, no one is saying it is. What we're saying is that Quinn is trying to recruit the same people that are being recruited by the firms that paid NY bonuses (including special) and didn't have this ridiculous bright line cut-off that screwed junior associates. We could have gone to those firms, and many of us are probably planning to do so now. At least today's law students are fortunate enough to have ATL to learn about this kind of stuff before they make the wrong decision.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MISSED THE EARLIER PRO-QUINN COMMENTS, A COMPILATION. PARTNERS ARE ALL ASLEEP, SO DOUBT WE'LL HEAR MORE TONIGHT.
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I am not an associate at QE and, in fact, I knew very little about them before Lat starting obsessing over them. However, this letter gives me a very positive impression of the firm. If I was back in law school, I would give QE a look. Since I am not, I am going to go back to billing.
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Awesome!
I think its really cool that he spent time to write that and let us know about some of the QE issues.
I wish my firm would offer some transparency like that.
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9:36:
Unfortunately for you, in the legal world, bonuses /are/ a God-given right. It's no more than deferred compensation. No compensation analyst on the face of the Earth would tell you that the law firm model bonus is anything but guaranteed compensation.
If you want to move to a true variable/ investment banking bonus model (i.e. one that is tied to individual performance and the performance of the firm), then do it. But you'll have first raise salaries to $190,000+ for first years - that's the baseline compensation rate for first years - and you'll have to pay well when the firm does well. This will of course give you the right to pay $0 when the firm has a bad year. But none of this Quinn bait and switch nonsense.
If you think bonuses aren't a God-given right, then why call it a "special bonus"? Let me enlighten you: because you don't want your associates to think it's part of their guaranteed compensation (base + standard class bonus) going forward.
If bonuses are really "bonuses" (variable year to year), then there's no need to differentiate between "special" and "standard" bonuses.
Subtle point, but one you should understand in order to appreciate why you can't screw your associates out of tens of thousands of dollars on a whim.
wow. i feel really stupid that my comment got put in with a bunch of ass-kissing remarks from "non-qe" people ... it really does sound like a sordid conspiracy to rig the comments section when you read them all in a row like that.
kinda creepy.
but hell, e.e. cummings was a little wack too.
it's not all partners sticking up for the firm and john quinn. i am an associate. i like john, i like his firm. i think he's a genuine fellow who says what he believes. if i'm convinced otherwise i'll post otherwise on here.
i'm sure from quinn's perspective, having an established bonus cutoff leads to bad incentives of people shooting for exactly 2,000 or 2,100 hours. a bonus cutoff that isn't fixed beforehand encourages people to keep working even when they're past the eventual cutoff. is that manipulative? sure. it's also rational, but for the way this situation blew up.
jbq admitted he made a mistake at the state of the firm address. do you really think that, in addition, he's going to give you guys back pay because you are whining online? get real. that would set a terrible precedent.
i don't blame john quinn for his efforts to make his firm lean and efficient. that's what i expect from a firm leader. it could even be considered a breach of his fiduciary duties to other partners to do anything else.
12:27 - START the firm. I will jump ship to work with you.
11:17 --> salty loser
They just give first years a base salary of $100k for billing 1800 hours, and add $150/hour for every additional hour above it. You bill 2000 hours you get $130k, you bill 2200 hours you get $160k, you bill 2400 hours you get $190k, etc. Likewise, if you bill 1999 hours you get $129,850, not $100k. The extra $150/hour is a strong incentive to turn in real yours, and if someone goes gangbuster they get compensated. If they don't, they can and will probably leave.
guys at my high school typed like this all the time. it was no big deal.
Wow. That e-mail is one of the most passive-aggressive things I've ever read.
how many emails is Dave Henri going to get now? haha. Every time anyone submits an expense report, he should get an email. Nobody has ever been reinbursed within 15 days.
Just so all the junior associates on this blog (there seems to be a lot of you writing) have the proper perspective, what you're experiencing that you don't like is life at any big law firm. The "screwed" are in every office, just most of them value their job too much to make a giant public affair of it all. No bonus system is perfect. For me personally, the worst bonus structure from both a business and morale viewpoint is a flat structure.
Keep in mind, perhaps the most important quality a lawyer can have and display is judgment.
12:42 - it's amazing that Quinn's shenanigans continue to fool intelligent people.
9:48 - you are wrong that most of the bashers are junior associates. I'm not. I have been at other firms. You're right that associates always get screwed but this bonus mess is exceptionally bitter. HALF THE BONUS. HALF.
HALF.
A first year billing 2100 got a bigger bonus than an eighth year billing 2099. That's the perspective that we're dealing with.
9:48: you are a nihilistic asshole. I'm not disagreeing with you, I just know who you are. When the revolution comes, you'll be the first with your back to the wall.
Are we getting lunch today? I'm starving.
Oh yeah.. JBQ is 'da man. And I'm not a partner, but will be changing my last name to caprese-provolone to up my chances.
9:48: you are a nihilistic asshole. I'm not disagreeing with you, I just know who you are. When the revolution comes, you'll be the first with your back to the wall.
Are we getting lunch today? I'm starving.
Oh yeah.. JBQ is 'da man. And I'm not a partner, but will be changing my last name to caprese-provolone to up my chances.
9:48: you are a nihilistic asshole. I'm not disagreeing with you, I just know who you are. When the revolution comes, you'll be the first with your back to the wall.
Are we getting lunch today? I'm starving.
Oh yeah.. JBQ is 'da man. And I'm not a partner, but will be changing my last name to caprese-provolone to up my chances.
10:55: Just spent the money you didn't get for a downpayment on a lambo. Totally pimp, spinners. Now get back to work-- I need more bling.
JBQ is a talented writer and an outstanding advocate. I tried a case against him and one of the teeming masses whose surnames sound like Italian food. We tagged JBQ for $65MM, later reduced to $34 or so in the Ninth Circut. But I dealt with Quinn at length for many years. He is an aggressive opponent; clever and tricky. I got the sense that some associates at QUEOH have some substantial responsibility; others, not so much. Quinn's lack of capitalization skills are typical of his practice -- he cares about the critical issues in a case, not the BS. He typically would respond to letters by scrawling a sentence or two across the top in handwriting, then faxing them back. It's relentlessly efficient even though it is offbeat. He's an outstanding trial lawyer; unlike so many big-firm litigators, JBQ is entirely unafraid of the courtroom, and it shows.
As for bonuses, I strongly advocate the pac-man theory of big-firm practice. A bonus in any one year is essentially meaningless. Getting bent about it is not worth your time; instead focus on your skills and make yourself useful. Making the brass ring is 1000 times as valuable, so increasing your partnership chances by ten percent is a much more efficient and sensible use of your time.
I'm now in-house. I'd consider hiring JBQ (and one or more of the salami assistants) on a serious case except for the fact that the firm had the bad judgment to represent someone who sued my company, so he's conflicted for now.
JBQ is a talented trial lawyer. On capitalization, let me observe that JBQ doesn't give a rat's ass for convention and appears to care only about important issues. His firm is aggressive as all get-out, but it's usually aimed at important trial issues.
By way of foundation, I tried a substantial case against JBQ and one of his partners who had an italian-food name. We tagged him for $65M, later reduced to $34M on appeal. I worked directly across from JBQ on numerous occasions. He's unconventional but hyperbright and hypertricky. He could absolutely be trusted to do what he said, but at times interpretations could be very fine and the risk of misdirection was always there.
I would hire him (I'm now in-house) but he had the bad judgment to let one of his partners represent a company suing my employer, so he's conflicted.
On the bonuses, let me observe that a 10% marginal increase in partnership chances is vastly more valuable than a reduction in a single-year bonus. So while the individual decision may appear poor, get the hell over it and instead think about how to improve your trial skills. Talented, organized second-chairs are worth their weight in gold, both to clients and senior lawyers like JBQ. You're whining about transient conditions; it is a much more effective approach to focus on the longer term.
As an aside, anyone who billed under ten hours short of the next highest hundred at any time is an idiot. I made this mistake as a second-year, long before information markets were as developed as they are now -- and never again. Duh.
JBQ is a talented trial lawyer. On capitalization, let me observe that JBQ doesn't give a rat's ass for convention and appears to care only about important issues. His firm is aggressive as all get-out, but it's usually aimed at important trial issues.
By way of foundation, I tried a substantial case against JBQ and one of his partners who had an italian-food name. We tagged him for $65M, later reduced to $34M on appeal. I worked directly across from JBQ on numerous occasions. He's unconventional but hyperbright and hypertricky. He could absolutely be trusted to do what he said, but at times interpretations could be very fine and the risk of misdirection was always there.
I would hire him (I'm now in-house) but he had the bad judgment to let one of his partners represent a company suing my employer, so he's conflicted.
On the bonuses, let me observe that a 10% marginal increase in partnership chances is vastly more valuable than a reduction in a single-year bonus. So while the individual decision may appear poor, get the hell over it and instead think about how to improve your trial skills. Talented, organized second-chairs are worth their weight in gold, both to clients and senior lawyers like JBQ. You're whining about transient conditions; it is a much more effective approach to focus on the longer term.
As an aside, anyone who billed under ten hours short of the next highest hundred at any time is an idiot. I made this mistake as a second-year, long before information markets were as developed as they are now -- and never again. Duh.
hey treesong - there was no "information market" here, remember? QE associates did not know where the bonus kicked in.
Duh, if you knew there was any threshold and you ended the year with a billable total in the 90's, you are still an idiot for not having simple probability skills and a basic level of ambition.
Listen, my mate Q-Tip is real fresh. He's so baller that capitalization is not a factor.
If you think his jocular email is funny, you should see him at lunch outings. He's an animal! One time he threw his drink on this girl and then slapped her in the mouth for complaining! She was a paralegal; I think she's on vacation now.
Anyways, Q-Dizzle keeps it real. Like one time at this team meeting, he jumped on the conference room table and did the coffee grinder followed by a wicked head spin. No joke. Finished with some pop-n-lock, some JT a cappella, then hopped off, knocked over everyone's drink, pushed all the papers off the table, and BUSTED THE PENGUIN SLIDE DOWN THE TABLE!
I love that man. I miss his musk.
Listen, my mate Q-Tip is real fresh. He's so baller that capitalization is not a factor.
If you think his jocular email is funny, you should see him at lunch outings. He's an animal! One time he threw his drink on this girl and then slapped her in the mouth for complaining! She was a paralegal; I think she's on vacation now.
Anyways, Q-Dizzle keeps it real. Like one time at this team meeting, he jumped on the conference room table and did the coffee grinder followed by a wicked head spin. No joke. Finished with some pop-n-lock, some JT a cappella, then hopped off, knocked over everyone's drink, pushed all the papers off the table, and BUSTED THE PENGUIN SLIDE DOWN THE TABLE!
I love that man. I miss his musk.
Listen, my mate Q-Tip is real fresh. He's so baller that capitalization is not a factor.
If you think his jocular email is funny, you should see him at lunch outings. He's an animal! One time he threw his drink on this girl and then slapped her in the mouth for complaining! She was a paralegal; I think she's on vacation now.
Anyways, Q-Dizzle keeps it real. Like one time at this team meeting, he jumped on the conference room table and did the coffee grinder followed by a wicked head spin. No joke. Finished with some pop-n-lock, some JT a cappella, then hopped off, knocked over everyone's drink, pushed all the papers off the table, and BUSTED THE PENGUIN SLIDE DOWN THE TABLE!
I love that man. I miss his musk.
I understood a poster above to have articulated that the previous year's bonus cutoff was 2000. Yes, I agree that the information market was incomplete, but I suggest that even in the total absence of any QUEOH-specific information, anyone billing 2097 hours is an idiot.
Listen, my mate Q-Tip is real fresh. He's so baller that capitalization is not a factor.
If you think his jocular email is funny, you should see him at lunch outings. He's an animal!
Q-Dizzle keeps it real. Like one time at this team meeting, he jumped on the conference room table and did the coffee grinder followed by a wicked head spin. No joke. Finished with some pop-n-lock, some JT a cappella, then hopped off, knocked over everyone's drink, pushed all the papers off the table, and BUSTED THE PENGUIN SLIDE DOWN THE TABLE!
15 days after I submit a reimbursement request I don't have a snow ball's chance in hell of getting it. not even once.
that said I love it here. but that never happens. I predict a flood to poor Dave Henri
I've heard several reports of sexual harrassment at QE. Can anyone comment on this?
I haven't heard of sexual harassment going on here. I think there would be litigation if there were. These are lawyers, after all.
no harassment.
no harassment.
Agreed, Treesong.
You work here and come in anywhere under 2,200 next year, and you are an IDIOT. And IDIOTS should be punished by having any class bonus they would have otherwise received cut in half. I don't care how much PPP went up.
Don't give me any BS about non-billable pitch work or going on non-billable recruiting trips on your own time or partners telling you not to take on work because they've staffed you on their project that hasn't begun yet or time you've eaten because you were doing admin work because of subpar staff.
You might be one of the lucky 8 associates picked to become partner at this fantastic firm, and you're worried about your bonus.
You have to keep these kids in line.
Just like the summer associates. They should consider themselves lucky to have the job. We're not running a summer camp.
We're Quin Emanuel. I keep telling you: we're hip (haven't you seen the hawaiian shirts at recruiting events), we're selective (I've told you this 1 million times), we win cases (see the website).
Look, we admitted we screwed up bonuses this year. We said we'd try to do better next time. What more do you people want.
"On capitalization, let me observe that JBQ doesn't give a rat's ass for convention and appears to care only about important issues."
That's funny, because the partners where I work (another large CA firm) manage to care about important issues and capitalize at the same time.
How does he manage to use parentheses, dollar signs, and the like?
I don't think it's overt sexual harassment; rather the frat boy persona of many if the partners here.
1:22 a.m. you are an idiot partner. shame on you for talking like this. you damage the firm with these types of cocky comments more than associates who are bitter. 2,200 is the new magic number you have come up with because of increased salary. stop calling associates IDIOTS. we were talking about last year, not next year. your post talks from both sides of your mouth. either you admit you F-ed up, or you didn't. If you F-ed up like you admit, associates aren't stupid in fact we just believed what you told us about how this firm functions, and what hours marks were fine.
1:22 - cocky bastard. making partner isn't *everything.* you wouldn't be making the $$ you are, and bestowing upon yourself the prestige you try to swing around like an self-important asshole if it weren't for associates who did your grunt work. this type of a gravy train won't last forever. you are a benefactor of "over-paid" associates far more than the associates themselves and you know it.
Regarding selectivity--having done recruiting at QE, I can tell you that QE is indeed selective, but is never able to recruit the "superstars" at each school. The move to regional schools (Fordham for NY office, Hastings for SF office) was a response to the need for bodies that couldn't be met by recruiting at only the T15 schools. Bottom line, we still recruit some very bright people with whom I enjoyed working with, but in reality, we are unable to attract the elite students.
Can those who feel that they have been wronged and deceived, because the cut-off was not announced in advance, point to other firms where the bonus cut-off does get announced in advance?
If QE is really going to announce bonus structure and cut-offs at the beginning of the year from now on, I think that makes them the first to do so.
3:19 - are you kidding? Even if other firms don't announce the different gradations for bonus levels, I think most firms make very clear what the bare minimum hours are. It's often posted even on nalpdirectory for crying out loud.
1:22 maybe isn't a QE partner. They tend to spell "Quin" [sic] correctly.
"we try to spend money on the things that help win cases."
At least John Quinn has clarified where support staff fits in at his firm: like those plush office trappings he so disdains, we obviously play no part in winning cases. We are the finished ceilings and mahogany desks of the working world. Hell, even the barista rates more highly than we do.
By the numbers? Most paralegals, for example, see less than 10% of the money they bring in by billing. And if you think some QE associates got a raw bonus deal, please consider that the average staff bonus was less than 1% of an already sub-market salary. (Raises are no better -- most were under $1000, which should be downright embarrassing at a firm where profits cleared $380 million last year.)
I'm all for taking a "no-frills" approach, but I also believe employees should be treated fairly. Will paying a decent wage seem so frivolous to your associates when their staff leaves, en masse, for greener pastures?
My message to JBQ: change your business model. Continuing this way will cause irreparable damage to your young firm.
I have dealt with this firm extensively in various matters. The partners generally seem to be reasonable and well-trained, but I have to say, the quality of the associates that they expose to co-counsel and opposing counsel is very low. Whether it is recruiting, training, the need to bill out, whatever, they (at least in my experience) are uniformly antagonistic, ill-informed, and ill-behaved, they take unsupportable positions solely for the purpose of argument, and they appear to be incapable of shot selection. And for this reason, they frequently placed their client on the losing side of a dispute for no particularly good reason - just because of the terrible record they made. One interesting aspect of it is that (to their co-counsels' horror) the QE partners simply stepped back and unleashed these rugrats in various meet and confers without regard to what they were doing. So I guess it's the culture of the firm. That type of freedom may sound great if you're a young associate, but it's a real disservice to the client (and ultimately to the associate).
2:58 is full of crap.
What better proof of my observations than 6:55?
John Quinn and Peter Calamari are liers. I am an associate in QE's NY office. My desk DOES NOT have any drawers attached to it. I had to buy my own standalone set of drawers because the firm would not approve the $100 it cost. I was shocked. Great environment!! Also, the NYO does not have a single case room - why??? Because the firm is too cheap to spend money for the space needed. I have to ask the paralegals on my case to go down to the unfinished basement area to pull out files from hundreds of boxes. New recruits - this is what you'll have to deal with. I also have to deal with underpaid staff who are no longer willing to put out their best work. Who can blame them for the $100/$200 raises the firm gave them. All the associates are embarrassed beyond words when we found out. Mind you, the paralegals are billed out at $230 + /hour - would it really be so bad for John Quinn and his partners to pay these hard working people market salary? Indeed, all this will start to show in QE's success. This is a message to the possible new recruits so deserve to know the truth about QE’s culture.
The staff bonus/raise situation is truly appalling.
To receive a bonus which amounts to less than one hour of our billable rates despite receiving entirely positive reviews from associates and partners is hugely insulting and has had the effect of destroying staff morale, removing any motivation to give our best work to the firm. A merit-based incentive indeed.
The best we could hope for is 2% of base salary, provided we had worked the full calendar year. 2% of a sub-market paralegal salary amounts to very little and will never provide an incentive to put in the hours the firm expects from its staff.
As 9:32pm so mentioned, it is clear staff are not valued one iota at this firm, except in our capacity to put more money in the partners' pockets.
the firm's partners and associates likes to pretend that its different and hip but its no different than a cravath or sullivan minus the grey suits, pants, ties, button down shirts, and shoes