Frivolous Friday Pronunciation Dispute
Is it SUBstantive or subSTANtive? Our dictionary tells us to emphasize the first syllable.
A lovely Canadian professor at our law school emphasizes the second syllable, and although our affection for him is great, every time he says “subSTANtive” we take away ten points on our completely subjective professor-grading scale. How about THAT, professor? Students grade YOU TOO. (Just kidding. Kinda.)




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SEN = epic FAIL
huh?
3:29 = epic DOUCHE
FAILURE
what?
this blog has officially jumped the shark.
make it stop
I don't even think your mom would care about that story.
UR DOING IT WRONG
the sky is falling
I don't even think your mom would care about that story.
Wow! An all-time new low for ATL! Lat needs to think twice before leaving the site in the hands of morons. (Just kidding. Kinda.)
are you bored or something?
these are the people i go to law school with and why it is a bad experience
help!
SENsationally bad posting today
SEN...you're cute. Stick to that.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
ATL today is a FAILocaust.
I think she's drunk.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
da b*tch has to go
Forgive her....she goes to a TTT.
Everybody needs to chill the fuck out and cut this girl a break.
someone needs to get FIRED
SEN...you're cute. Stick to that.
3:35(1) hit the nail on the head.
amateur hour here
*heads over toe wsjblog*
Do you think before you post ? I could find things more topical and relevant by googling a string of random keystrokes.
To try (not that it'll work) to hold off the dogs awhile..
parol, as in the parol evidence rule.
I say what seems to be a slight variation on the word peril.
Others say parole.
There's no e.
I think I'm right, but I also think I'm in the minority.. which probably makes me wrong.
Is there more? Did half of this 'story' not post? Is she smoking drugs? God, I'm so confused.
Seriously, is blogging that hard? Don't hit post until you're done typing. It's not rocket science.
Today's edition of ATL = FAILocaust.
What is wrong with the idiots posting here? You bitter morons need to chill out.
Who is this lady?
What is the "I" doing before the picture?
What does the rest of the post mean?
Basically my question is, WHAT???
First, ATL's visitors are both practicing attorneys and law students (not to mention clerks, partners, etc. visit the site as well). If the douchemonkeys who regularly spam the comments section with "FIRST!11!" don't click on them.
You're not obligated to visit ATL, and ATL isn't obligated to give you 24/7 bonus/scandal/layoff news. Seriously, chill the fuck out.
Ok, I defended her in a previous post... BUT WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GARBAGE!
First, ATL's visitors are both practicing attorneys and law students (not to mention clerks, partners, etc. visit the site as well). If the douchemonkeys who regularly spam the comments section with "FIRST!11!" don't like these posts, don't click on them - surely you have better things to do.
You're not obligated to visit ATL, and ATL isn't obligated to give you 24/7 bonus/scandal/layoff news. Seriously, chill the fuck out.
YOU TOO.
Shouldn't it be "you, too?"
YOU TOO.
Shouldn't it be "you, too?"
YOU TOO.
Shouldn't it be "you, too?"
Today's edition of ATL = FAILocaust.
Shouldn't it be "you, too?"
Ms. Nichols:
Stay out of Oxnard, kook.
Make. It. Stop.
A meaningless post, but seriously, is it any less meaningless (or -ful) than any other posts today? It's just a slow news day - let this new blogger get her legs before you useless jackals have at it.
Sheesh, some of you people need to CHILAX. It's Friday.
LOOK AT ME! I'M WRITING A BLOG!!
Clearly Lat is moving on to bigger and better things and he's trying to pass the torch to Lateral Link and this Sharon girl. Too bad, this blog used to be good when Lat cared.
When did ATL turn into MySpace?
Wow... did you ever think you might possibly miss Billy Merck?
Where is the capitalized article before the word "dictionary"?
Sharon, I've got deal for you. Since you're adorably cute, and I'm guessing have a rather pleasant disposition, how about you stop posting on abovethelaw and, well, I guess that's it.
Dumbest. Blog. Ever.
Wow... did you ever think you might possibly miss Billy Merck?
WTF? what does this have to do with anything? i'd be happy with fewer posts, with more substance.
For the love of God, stop the madness. Everytime I read one of SEN's posts, I get dumber. Seriously, I'm dumber now than I was just 30 seconds ago.
IS THIS HOW THE BLOG THINGY WORKS? I'M REALLY GETTING GOOD AT THIS!
I think SEN has a decent case against Lat for intentional infliction of emotional distress.
For the love of God, stop the madness. Everytime I read one of SEN's posts, I get dumber. Seriously, I'm dumber now than I was just 30 seconds ago.
3:58(1) - kudos, my first laugh of the day.
Lat - Hopefully, today the last day of Take Your Kid to School Week. Get off your ass and work.
As long as we're going to have this type of nonsense, why not have a PORTSMOUTH salary post?
i think she's doing a great job. why do you people have to be such assholes? the posts are interesting. shit. if it was lat blogging and posting the exact same posts nobody would say a word. assholes.
Lat - Hopefully, today is the last day of Take Your Kid to School Week. Get off your ass and work.
i think she's doing a great job. why do you people have to be such assholes? the posts are interesting. shit. if it was lat blogging and posting the exact same posts nobody would say a word. assholes.
Thanks, I'm here all week.
And seriously, Sharon, think about my offer. I wasn't just jokin' around you know.
*cancels OCI at Bama*
i think she's doing a great job. why do you people have to be such assholes? the posts are interesting.
if it was lat posting the exact same posts nobody would say a word.
assholes.
I endorse this blog entry, but only because I hate all Canadians.
As a wise man once said, "Not so fast my friend!"
Posted yesterday on SEN's blog.
"Anonymous said...
Sharon, I didn't even realize it was you posting and not Lat today on AboveTheLaw, particularly since it is Thursday and I thought you'd be posting on Fridays. The fact that I didn't notice that it was you today shows how seamless the transition was and is between you and Lat. Kudos to you!
On another note, it is very telling that all the bitter people who wrote nasty comments last week have suddenly disappeared on AboveTheLaw. A sign of acceptance for you from the male-dominated New York crowd that primarily posts there. That level of acceptance is not easily accomplished by a Southerner in the span of one week. For example, every time that Billy Merck pops his head up, a pack of people will instantly write about how much they hate him in a dozen different ways.
Good work, Sharon!
10:40 PM"
This must stop. SEN must go (and never return).
I can deal with Lat's occasional lapses and his less than perfect habits because I know he has the credentials and experience to lend credibility to his opinions and musings.
SEN is just a stupid kid who doesn't know fuck about shit. I don't care what she has to say and I hate wasting my time on her drivel.
Now, before you tell me to just stop reading this site if I don't like SEN, let me remind you: this site is designed for me-- for lawyers at top tier firms, accustomed to high quality work and play. It caters to topics I care about and I like that. I like to visit and take a quick break every few hours to enjoy the ATL distractions.
But, take this to heart, Lat, I ONLY like to visit because I can rely on you, a peer with excellent taste and fine judgment, to present something worth my time. If you continue to compromise that essential ingredient, this blog will whither and die or, worse, end up a haven for inane law students and the otherwise unimpressive.
This must stop. SEN must go (and never return).
I can deal with Lat's occasional lapses and his less than perfect habits because I know he has the credentials and experience to lend credibility to his opinions and musings.
SEN is just a stupid kid who doesn't know fuck about shit. I don't care what she has to say and I hate wasting my time on her drivel.
Now, before you tell me to just stop reading this site if I don't like SEN, let me remind you: this site is designed for me-- for lawyers at top tier firms, accustomed to high quality work and play. It caters to topics I care about and I like that. I like to visit and take a quick break every few hours to enjoy the ATL distractions.
But, take this to heart, Lat, I ONLY like to visit because I can rely on you, a peer with excellent taste and fine judgment, to present something worth my time. If you continue to compromise that essential ingredient, this blog will whither and die or, worse, end up a haven for inane law students and the otherwise unimpressive.
4:06(1)/(3)/4:10(1): Saying it three times will not make it true.
Sharon, just realize that most law students and lawyers are terribly ugly losers. They are venting their pent up rage at never having slept with an attractive person by picking on the cute-girl-guest-blogger.
That's all.
SEN = WORSE THAN BILLY MERCK.
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Anyone who references a Billy Madison line in a law blog is OK in my book.
A post yesterday on SEN's "personal" blog:
Just finished the afternoon's blogging at ATL. I'm getting the hang of it now, which may just mean that I'm getting better at scanning the news and filtering out which items I have something relevant to say about. My favorite post of the afternoon is below, but check out the rest at the actual website.
We reject this garbage.
We reject SEN.
Bring us a worthy author or just shut this site down.
4:13 - You sound so intelligent - "stupid kid who doesn't know fuck about shit" - wow you really told her. Curse words really make your argument so much stronger, don't they?
Boo!
I love how, like Merck before her, SEN is now defending herself in fake anonymous comments.
The South will rise again, indeed.
Yee-haaw!
I'm sure SEn is a nice person out there in the real world, but her posts are not interesting. Billy was even better than her. Why is it so hard to find someone who can stick with themes that would be interesting to this blogs readers and someone who has a little bit of whit or humor.
Oh, for those complaining about people who post comments, much like we're not required to read this blog, you're not required to read the comments.
4:13 is making his/her best effort to deflect some of the criticism from SEN. I respect that, I guess.
LEAVE SEN ALONE, BITCHES!
I've never complained about any post before, but this one is awful.
It's clearly an attempt to play off the prior grammatical and linguistic debates, but it's dumb since there's nothing to debate.
I can't believe I even just explained why this post is awful, but please don't clutter the posts with topics like this.
SEN - just a bit of advice: less quantity and more substance, but you're doing fine.
DON'T LET THESE BASTARDS GET YOU DOWN!!!
Could it be that this guest-blogging thing is one of the most brilliant things that Lat has ever done?
I was one of the people who was not really happy with the SEN fill-in today. I've already commented on the fact that no 1L is likely to have anything relatable to write, regardless of how talented or intelligent he or she is.
But then I counted the number of comments on this post. I mean, this is a post that doesn't even make any sense. (It looks like some kind of coding error happened and got the post all screwed up.) Yet despite the lack of any real content on this post, we're well on our way to a comments clusterf*ck. (I have to put the star in there for it to be official, yes?)
Anyway, maybe (as bleeeeh as SEN can be) the numbers are going way up. Maybe SEN and Lat are smarter than all of us. Maybe...
Or maybe Lat's had some kind of breakdown and this is the only person they could find to fill in.
SEN, at least get your damn posts formatted correctly. That way, even if they're substantively lacking, you won't be attacked quite so viciously.
Loud noises!
I pronounce "Sharona Eliza Nichols" as "er-RO-neus NIN-com-poop"
Whwat is this silliness? Total waste of time.
JTS, JTS!
This is to make us all beg for any alternative content, even pro-Hillary posts.
She fixed it. Hurray! Poor thing. I wonder what took so long.
Cut this kid a break. Not every post (whether SEN's or Lat's) can be golden every single time.
Is it too late to let the south secede?
"if it was lat posting the exact same posts nobody would say a word."
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Do you even read this blog? People beat up on Lat all the time. When Lat posts something stupid, the first 20 comments are about how stupid he is for posting it. Why should we go easy on SEN just because she's cute?
God, 1Ls.
Booooooooooooo. TTT. Booooooooooooo.
she does generate a lot of comments
Honestly, this is just a waste of perfectly good cyberspace.
And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb. -- Daniel 10:15
She... Sh... It's terrible! She has beautiful eyes, and her hair smells like cinnamon!
"Our dictionary tells us to emphasize the first syllable." Shame that the lovely Canadian professor didn't learn from "our" dictionary. Those damn Canadians!
Also, I can't believe that with all these comments, no one jumped on caliber of SEN's professor grading scale. 10 pts for mis/different pronunciation??? Wow, tough crowd. What's the deduction for inability to keep a 1L focused on her education?
This is total garbage. Why can't Lat bring someone on board like Bess at DB with some wit. Then, at least the nonsensical posts would still be amusing.
SEN, please just go away. Everything you post is like dumb blonde Tourette's!
Don't come back until you have the answer to how many chicks in your 1L class will suck dick for blow.
Given layoffs in past several months, Lat couldn't coax a former BigLaw associate to guest blog??? Christ, talk about leading lamb to slaughter.
This is ridiculous, why not give every snarky little 1L posting rights?
Utterly inane.
I'm gonna take a brief diversion from the rantings on this subject and actually answer the F*ing question.
It's SUBstantive.
Heeey, thaaar SEENNNN, don't y'aalll liiisten taa theeeze Yannks an thar 'plaaainnnin'.
Pablo says I need to quit supplying SEN. She's all F*cked up.
I think Lat is on to something. People bitch about SEN so much that Lat seems that much better once he returns.
SEN: Hey Alex, did you know that its pronounced SUBstantive, not subSTANtive, because that is what the dictionary says?
Alex: Don't talk to me, you lame law student. I am a lawyer! I don't talk to law students out of fear of looking lowly.
guys...you are missing the post. when she first made this post, she fucked up and it showed up as three separate posts....she then quickly went back to correct her mistake
this has nothing to do with the stupidity of the content of the post. its a matter of professionalism.
OMG, DID YOU HEAR? PEOPLE ARE LEAVING FIRMS ALL OVER THE CITY! OFFICES ARE DARK! WHAT IS GOING ON??? THIS MUST BE A STORY!!!
Oh wait, it's Friday evening, must be they are going home for the weekend.
I'd like to advocate for Merck vs. SEN Thunderdome, in which 2 enter and none leave.
"Just finished the afternoon's blogging at ATL. I'm getting the hang of it now, which may just mean that I'm getting better at scanning the news and filtering out which items I have something relevant to say about. My favorite post of the afternoon is below, but check out the rest at the actual website."
AHA. Great technique. "Here's a news article I read that mentions something having to do with lawyers or a law firm. So, tell me what you think about it!" Done. Another great ATL post under my belt.
Seriously, I think 5:07 nailed it.
give her a break guys, she's just starting.
But i do think that fewer posts that are more substantive in nature would be a good move.
That being said: its SUBstantive. I didn't even know this was a contended issue.
115 or so replies, and NOT ONE of them substantively addresses the actual post. Awesome.
I think Lat is onto something. Every Friday SEN posting automatically turns into a comment clusterf*ck. The ATL advertisers are loving it.
1) True story: the University of Alabama Law School offered me 5 free songs off of ITunes to apply, in the JUNE before law school started.
2) Shouldn't SEN be studying?
3) this post reminds me of why i hate law school and law students. kids, this is what law school does to your brain, beware.
4) shouldn't SEN be studying?
5) Cut your losses and move on Lat.
And still no MPRE thread...
LAT AND SEN ARE THE SAME PERSON -- MERELY TWO PERSONALITIES TRAPPED IN SAME PERSON!
They gave me 15 free ITunes.
you're lying. i'm gonna find you and expose you. i download music for free anywya.
some of the posts on here were ridiculous. But, too each their own. However, this is a funny post. Law school students (at least the ones at the school I go to) do weird and sometimes funny things like this. And the use of the capitalization by Ms. Nichols should be acceptable and emphasizes the point she is trying to get across.
And to one of the other posts, yes the law school students are weird and have weird impulses to do silly things like this. But, hey, they are fun and they help break the monotony of which is law school.
This SEN post is the reason I hate ignorant americans and douchebag lawyers.
Why is this filed under English and Grammar usage. Are you too stupid to realize that the professor has a fucking accent?
I just you by whether I would want to bang you, and I don't want to bang you. I'd rather live in Texas.
I want to die now. I'll take that Gay Charney shit over SUBstantive subSTANtive debates. Fuck.
The post has "frivolous" right in the frigging title. Plus, it's short. Grow up, people.
YOU grow up, 12:10.
take your top off
I didn't mind it Sharon
I don't mind it, either. Keep your fingers crossed for those bikini shots, boys.
Don't bother posting anything critical of SEN on her personal, and even MORE ridiculous, blog site. She removes comments there that hurt her precious feelings. Ah, journalistic integrity! Oh wait, she'd have to be a real writer before that would apply...
10:34, did you follow her to her own website to make a negative comment? That's taking things a little far, no? It's one thing to point out that she is making ATL a joke, but to attack her personally on her own blog is going a little far.
Some of us in Canada say subSTANtive but when someone says SUBstantive, we don't raise a hissy fit.
10:34 - she also doesn't allow "anonymous" postings on her blog... apparently things were getting a little heated for her there.
poor poor poor
Fools, Websters is a dictionary of American English. What do you expect, Canadians to speak American? Imagine how stupid we'd sound! We'd never be able to take each other seriously and our efficient, fair socialist society would crumble.
WTF is SEN still doing blogging here? I thought she had a one-day stint. Lat, have you abandoned your senses? You would never have worked with a student of SEN's caliber at ANY of your old jobs, why are you debasing your current efforts by EMPLOYING her?
this is a stupid post
The IRONY of it all is that SEN started a facebook group about judging people who use bad grammar. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, no?
2:14 - you've only just worked this out?
I think SEN is talented and interesting.