I hope he said "swallow the spitz!"

ok she may cost 1000/hr but she doesnt get payed 1000 an hr

im guessing her share is a little less than 100%

I hear that there's a 10% booking fee and the girl generally gets the rest.

She still makes more than you.

She is hot... why do none of the call girls that you can get in the NV brothels look this good

You can buy her song for .19.....or her for $1000.

She's not hot. Look at the 2nd MySpace pic on the NYT article. The pic Lat posted is the most flattering b/c she's in giant sunglasses. She's fugly, barely better than Silda.

Wow, $1000/hr for her? Sorry, you can find much better looking whores for less if you want!

She's only hot if you think going "down the shore" is an acceptable way to spend your summer.

8:47,
Where?

from her myspace:

"Now, it’s all about my music. It’s all about expressing me. I can sit here now, and knowingly tell you that life’s hard sometimes. But, I made it."

Yeah, she made it. She's fucking old men for money. She's practically the next Madonna.

"what destroys me, makes me stronger"

This chick is brillianter than Nitch.

Emperor's Club to 1900k!

"Where?"

Uh, pretty much anywhere.

I thought she'd be better looking. Spitzy's wife ain't half bad.

Her profile has gotten over a million hits tonight. In real life she'd be getting tired by now.

How much could she get from Playboy or Penthouse for a spread? High six figures? Low seven figures?

My guess is low six.

Low seven if she can broker some of her co-workers into joining her for the issue.

Either this girl is going to drink the fame, or she needs to be on suicide watch.

Not much in between.

I think she's drinking the fame. Otherwise she wouldn't have agreed to be interviewed by the Times. Also, she probably would have closed her MySpace account.

Smart girl. I'd make the most of it too if I were in her shoes.

I've enjoyed this scandal as much as anyone, but I hope NY realizes that we now have a hack as our governor for the next 3 years. That won't do anyone any good.

Uh oh: "Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred.

This error has been forwarded to MySpace's technical group. "

Did she finally take the profile down? Or did the traffic overload MySpace's server?

8:32-

She's at $1000/hr yet can't afford her own attorney?

Sounds like she's making out much worse than 90/10 split.

New York's governorship has gone Jersey in more ways than one.

She's pretty cute, but for a grand an hour I want someone who looks like Sienna Miller. Actually, scratch that. For one night with Sienna Miller I would give up 3 months salary and my new car. Isn't eternity worth three months?

11:01 - Her MySpace page works for me. She is approaching 1.4 million views (1,365,756).

booking agency (center that handles the calls) gets 10% off the top, and then the girl has to split the remaining $$ 50/50 with her "organization."
So $1000 per hour really is $450 for her.

JT hit that - for free.

Like Billy C., JT's pimp hand is strong enough to not have to pay.

MSNBC had an interview with a call girl. She said the service takes 10% off the top, the rest is split 50/50.

One a side note, how does a biglaw partner take home? I will be starting work soon, and I was real curious. I follow the ATL pay charts, but they always stop after 7 years.

Pretty average. At any state school she wouldn't even by in the top third of a random sample.

Lawyers can't complain. After all, we're only the Second Oldest Profession. And we have to pay overhead too.

She didn't spit and you still got busted? Man that's whack. If we don't do something about these Repubs we're either gonna have to start hitting our hags or we're gonna have to start getting our whistles polished Repub-style in the men's room. Heh. Or could do like we used to do in Arkansas - rolled up pig liver in a mason jar. Feels like the real thing long as it's warm heh and it don't nag or cost nothin neither. Them was the days Elliot. Them was the days.

Damn that's nice.

What's the bidding start at? I'd pay $5k to have her right now for 2 hours.

"Suck a dick, and be somebody!" Too true. NO VICTIM HERE.

11:36,

At either of my decidedly non-state alma matere, she would have been the hottest POA by some margin.

closing in on 2.5 million viewsas at 12:44amEDT (2,458,814)

March 13, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Do as He Said
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

The last time I saw Eliot Spitzer, he encouraged me to write about his work involving prostitution. So here goes.

The governor buttonholed me because he wanted credit for passage of a tough state law against sex trafficking. Frankly, he deserves credit, for the law took the innovative step of cracking down on johns by increasing penalties.

The big worry now among those working to stop trafficking is that the Spitzer scandal will add to perceptions of prostitution as a “victimless crime.” On my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground, one person named “Carmen” argued, “if a man can hire a pro to help improve his golf, why not let him hire a pro to help improve his sex?”

Another poster, who identified herself as a former prostitute in Australia, said she had “never felt exploited or trapped” and added, “It was one of the best jobs I’ve ever had.”

Yet the evidence is overwhelming that, in the United States, prostitution is only very rarely just another career choice. Studies suggest that up to two-thirds of prostitutes have been sexually abused as girls, a majority have drug dependencies or mental illnesses, one-third have been threatened with death by pimps, and almost half have attempted suicide.

Melissa Farley, a psychologist who has written extensively about the subject, says that girls typically become prostitutes at age 13 or 14. She conducted a study finding that 89 percent of prostitutes urgently wanted to escape the work, and that two-thirds have post-traumatic stress disorder — not a problem for even the most frustrated burger-flipper.

The mortality data for prostitutes is staggering. The American Journal of Epidemiology published a meticulous study finding that the “workplace homicide rate for prostitutes” is 51 times that of the next most dangerous occupation for women, working in a liquor store. The average age of death of the prostitutes in the study was 34.

“Women engaged in prostitution face the most dangerous occupational environment in the United States,” The Journal concluded.

We as a society forbid certain behavior by consenting adults because we deem it too dangerous or harmful. We do not permit indentured servitude or polygamy, or employment for less than the minimum wage. So why permit people to work in the unusually dangerous business of selling sex?

One response would be: Prostitution is inevitable, so we might as well legalize and regulate it. That’s a pragmatic argument that I used to find persuasive. If brothels were legalized and inspected, I believed, then we could uproot child prostitution and reduce AIDS and sexually transmitted infections.

I changed my mind after looking at the experiences of other countries. The Netherlands formally adopted the legalization model in 2000, and there were modest public health benefits for the licensed prostitutes. But legalization nurtured a large sex industry and criminal gangs that trafficked underage girls, and so trafficking, violence and child prostitution flourished rather than dying out.

As a result, the Netherlands is now backtracking on its legalization model by closing some brothels, and other countries, like Bulgaria, are backing away from that approach.

In contrast, Sweden experimented in 1999 with a radically different approach that many now regard as much more successful: it decriminalized the sale of sex but made it a crime to buy sex. In effect, the policy was to arrest customers, but not the prostitutes.

Some Swedish prostitutes have complained that the policy reduced demand and thus lowered prices, while forcing sex work underground. But the evidence is strong that the new approach reduced trafficking in Sweden, and opinion polls show that Swedes regard the experiment as a considerable success. And the bottom line is that if you want to rape a 13-year-old girl imported from Eastern Europe, you’ll have a much easier time in Amsterdam than in Stockholm.

A growing number of other countries are pursuing the Swedish model. South Korea had a vast trafficking industry in the 1990s, but a crackdown has led Korean gangs to traffic girls to California instead — because pimping teenagers there is seen as safer and more profitable than at home.

No approach is going to work perfectly. But the Swedish model seems to have worked better than any other. The New York law that Governor Spitzer pushed was inspired partly by the Swedish experience, and New York should enforce that law firmly, by cracking down on pimps and customers.

We’re not going to end the world’s oldest profession, any more than we’ll ever end the world’s oldest crime, murder. But mounting evidence from around the world suggests that a demand-side crackdown would drive some pimps to peddle pirated DVDs instead of pubescent flesh — and that would be a positive legacy of Governor Spitzer’s tenure that might balance its tawdry hypocrisy.

Comment on this column on my blog at: www.nytimes.com/ontheground.

come on...she's smoking hot! Check out those tits! Whores to $2000!!

12:04, like I said. She wouldn't even get noticed at a state school. She's not unattractive, but she's not hot, either.

On a more mature note, 12:53, great article. The pro-legalization argument always has a difficult time making the adjustment from abstract philosophy to real-life.

It will be interesting to see what career opportunities she has now? Say what you want about Monica Lewinsky, but her circumstances were much different. Playboy spread, then Hustler spread, then adult movie career, anyone? On the other hand, she could always be a partner's secretary.

Hey, I'm at a state school and I think she's smoking hot.

The parade of horribles in that article can largely be attributed to the fact that prostitution is illegal, thereby allowing criminals to control the enterprise. The Swedish example is flawed because it gender biased, and again, allows criminals to thrive.

Good point, 8:34. I also think she's very pretty and I'm also at a state school. She looks much better and cuter when she isn't all done up.

You don't pay her to have sex with you, you pay her to go away

9:11 - Isn't that a line from Four Brothers?

I think Charlie Sheen said it when he was caught in Heidi Fleiss's black book.

South Park, via a song by Chef and James Taylor.

Another Jersey girl makes her mark!

Great article 12:53

Whores to 4226549 views!

10:37 said "Smart girl. I'd make the most of it too if I were in her shoes."

You in her shoes can be arranged, but it's an extra $50.

Seriously, what do you guys think was going through his mind when he made these calls to the escort services?

I mean, I've picked up the phone and called Craigslist after a drunken night but as soon as someone picks up on the other end, I start getting nervous and thinking about how this could potentially end my legal career (which probably wouldn't be all that bad) and hang up right away. The only thing I would lose is my legal career, and even that is questionable. But the Spitz, he risked his higth profile career, his family, and most imprtantly, his reputation. Are you kidding?!?!

My only comment on the ho's pics: Was this a Jewish escort service?

Dear 9:46:

Calling a Craigslist hooker then hanging up because you are nervous is more pathetic that Spitzer.

I bet Silda has withdrawn her affection a long time ago. How does one win in marriage, I do not know.

9:50 - I think you may be on to something. If she's not authentic, she sure is a pretty good imposter.

9:46: That is hilarious.

How can you guys say all this stuff about this poor woman? I know you think it is oh-so-funny, but how would she react to reading this shit? With all the disrespect and dehumanization going on here, is it any damn surprise that so many prostitutes commit suicide?

I don't think prostitution should be legal, and yet I treat prostitutes with respect. Many of you are talking like you think it should be legal, and say the foulest thing about this 22-year-old who has a whole heckuva lot less than probably at least 90% of the people on this board.

And thank God for Nicholas Kristof.

Well, she might not look like they kind of gal you pay $1000/hour for (not that any of us know what that is supposed to look like), but who knows, maybe she has special talents...

Why didn't she come forward on her own before this? She could have made a nice chunk of change from the National Enquirer and then another nice chunk from posing in Playboy's "Spitzer's Whore Bares All" edition. I figure she was too scared, either because of the potential threat from her pimps or from Spitzer & Co.

10:37 - jeez. not everything has to be so serious.

She will be committing "suicide" -- Spitzer is a "clintonista" and people who cross them tend to decide to kill themselves.

9:46, et al. YOU CANNOT LOSE YOUR LEGAL CAREER FOR BANGIN A HOOKER (AND GETTING CAUGHT).... No one loses their license for being a John.

Craigslist is awful, only because there is so many scams -- and the pictures are hardly representative. But the prices are 5% of Spitzer girl's fees. Just go with the "massage" and hope it turns into more. You can always close your eyes, or murder her and put her under the floorboards.

"She's only hot if you think going "down the shore" is an acceptable way to spend your summer."

8:48, you get the 180.

to 11:08

If you want to be non-serious, why not take potshots at yourself instead of kicking someone who's already in pretty damn bad shape. This is pretty sick schadenfreude. She didn't ask for this kind of fame. I'm sure you'd be thrilled if you'd hooked up with some unscrupulous partner who blabbed to the media.

Ok, people this girl is from a broken home, abused, drug user, and, in her own words "failed over and over". Now she is implicated as a high-class hooker, and is a pariah. If she can manage not to Heath Ledger, she will be a celebrety ala Paris Hilton and Valerie Plame.

We WORSHIP this ditzy whores. Show your pantiless crotch, suck a cock on video... you get your own TV series. Lose your F-ING MIND, neglect your kids, shave your head, be hospitalized -- and you can bet Britney will sell platinum on next release.

11:16 - please see the indictment - http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0310082spitzer5.html - paragraph 85. "I'm here for a purpose."

11:16 - im not posting potshots at her - but I am getting a chuckle reading some of them. Schadenfreude is probably more appropriate for what people think about Spitzer - I seriously doubt most people really have an axe to grind against her. Except for maybe unattractive women who have difficulty finding men and are jealous of her youth and beauty - and at the same time repulsed yet secretly thrilled at her "devil may care" approach to life. Beats studying for the bar.

Hmmm, that was in a phone call she didn't know was being taped. And in context, it sounds pretty damn depressing.

If you have a point, try to articulate it.

Listen, I would marry this girl and save her....

I was watching a TV panel last night including a TV shrink, and someone called in to ask how long it would take the "poor girl" to get over her "trama from the media".

Hello! Poor girl? She a whore, and a well paid one at that.

And according to her Face Book page, she aspires to fame.

So now she has her 15 minutes.

She will take the $1 M from the National Enquirer or the Globe for her exclusive "story", but until then she ain't comming out of the apartment.

For a goofy looking girl with inappropriately painted fingernails she has made a good living ($500/hr), has been sailing at least once, and will now be famous.

Boooo Hoooo!

Every nerd on this board (aka everyone) would stab their mother in the throat for a chance to bang this girl. It is nothing short of hilarious to read these comments.

Lat, please require pictures be attached to anyone who claims this girl is ugly. We could all have a great laugh then.

11:20,

Uh, do you have the slightest idea who Valerie Plame is, or what she's famous for?

Does anyone really think she's going to get to be a singer now?

Would you want to be famous based on your sexual skills (or lack thereof)?

To 11:37, okay, so maybe you aren't, but why are you defending the people who are and laughing at her?

Our culture's willingness to laugh at other people's humiliation "deserved" or no, is pretty sick.

11:48 - Totally concur. This girl is not ugly. In fact, she's downright pretty, altough "hot" or "beautiful" are more debatable descriptions. I'm positive that those trying to attack her looks are in the bottom third of the population looks wise.

12.20 - I suppose lots of people want to be famous - at any cost or for any reason. If you ask people in their 30's what they wanted out of life, we would probably respond "success, family, money" or something like that - those in their 20's respond "fame" Hence Youtube, Brittany, etc.

I'm not defending anyone - I am pointing out that the tenor of your posts indicate that you might be taking life a bit too seriously.

I dont think "Culture" has much to do with it. Humiliation is often funny (for me, im referring to Spitzer's - which is well deserved - not hers) Pretty much all cultures share our taste for this sort of thing to one degree or another. People laugh harder at humiliation that is deserved than that which is not - so in this case Eliot Spitzer's involvement has brought undue attention to her as a byproduct. I think you are going to have to accept this aspect of human nature...

When we see negative aspects of human nature, we can try and curtail them in ourselves and encourage others to abandon them as well.

I'm just so sick of seeing women slimed on this board. No one is nearly as offensive when directing comments toward men.

Another part of human nature is calling other humans on their bullshit. :)

You would expect women not to be slimed on an alpha-male shark tank board?

mouse or no - she's the shark, and don't kid yourselves otherwise - go push some more paper

12:46--"alpha male shark tank board"?! I think you're giving yourself (and the rest of us) a little too much credit there....

Why did Spitzer take the risk?

11:48 and 12:25 --

You're guilty of the same exaggeration that you attribute to others. The truth is this: this girl ain't hot, but she's not half-bad. She's a 7/10. (In the bikini, probably an 8.) I'd give her more credit, but that second pic of hers on MySpace is questionable.

I have a frickin' laser beam on my head.

Any truth to the rumor that the girls working with "Kristen" were really fembots created by Haliburton to bring down high-ranking Dems?

I mean, it's not totally implausible.

1:06, read my post again. I agree with you; she's pretty.

Spitz should have gotten some plastic surgery and libido enhancers for his wife.

She look down her myspace page.

She looks like she had a bad nose job.

12:53,

"I changed my mind after looking at the experiences of other countries."

Then why isn't Nevada a criminal haven?

I love that people are using this girl as the model of the "victimless" prostitute. Anyone else think there may be issues with her (and her homelife) when she is apparently a runaway.

They put only the flattering photos on the website. Many other photos show she's really horsey with a schnoz. Beer goggles recommended.

First, there is 9x as much illegal prostitution as legal prostitution in Nevada:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/07/usa.gender

"Nevada's illegal prostitution industry is already nine times greater than the state's legal brothels. 'Legalising this industry does not result in the closing down of illegal sex establishments,' says Farley, 'it merely gives them further permission to exist.'

Second, even the legal brothels don't sound that great:

(same link)

"The women are expected to live in the brothels and to work 12- to 14-hour shifts. Mary, a prostitute in a legal brothel for three years, outlines the restrictions. "You are not allowed to have your own car," she notes. "It's like [the pimp's] own little police state." When a customer arrives, a bell rings, and the women immediately have to present themselves in a line-up, so he can choose who to buy."

Also

"More than 80% of those interviewed told Farley they wanted to leave prostitution."

These are women in the legal brothels. They are not provided with any services aimed toward letting them leave.

One of the Nevada brothel prostitutes said:

"'No one really enjoys getting sold,' says Angie, who Farley interviewed. 'It's like you sign a contract to be raped.'"

1:06-

I am willing to bet 3 months salary that the closest you have come to sleeping with a girl in her league is in your dreams.

If she is "not half bad" or "a 7/10" the bet still aplies that you have never had a girl over a 3, if you have ever even been laid.

Tell me who a "10" is in your mind and I will find a picture of her in 30 seconds on Google that looks worse than the 2nd MySpace picture.

Take your small prick and your insecurities and go back to dreaming about the day you lose your virginity.

That is all.

Nevada isn't a criminal haven?

She's just your basic kinda cute Italian Jersey Girl, nothing more. Go to any club in NJ/NY and you'll meet 100 a night just like her. And if you have any ounce of game, you don't have to drop $1000 to take one home. (And for the record, yes, I have no game. Shit.)

No mafia in Nevada, no siree!

1:37,

There is more illegal pros because it isn't legal in Las Vegas, which is the destination of 90% of the visitors to Nevada.

I don't buy it. Considering there is still illegal prostitution in the Netherlands, and the whole country is open.

And what do you say to the misery of the legal prostitutes?

2:21 - i get that this is a touchy topic for you - but I have to ask why you think it is that they dont do something else? do you really think they are smart capable people who could do anything they wanted - like go to law school? Of course not. They shouldn't be punished for being dumb - and maybe pity is appropriate - but they are capable of making their own decisions. Even if they did drugs and got abused.

People being harmed is a touchy topic. I wouldn't speculate about their mental abilities, w/out evidence.

PTSD, depression, etc. are very troubling. And I don't agree that everyone is able to make decisions on every subject. Why don't DV victims leave? (And we have mandatory arrest laws, btw.) Why do we have the FDA to prevent us from self-medicating? Why is bare-knuckle boxing banned in many jurisdictions?

But let's ignore my arguments for legalization purposes.

Let's just talk about ethics. You see, I'm not trying to cut down on supply here. I'm trying to cut down on demand.

If I knew that action stars suffered as much as porn stars, I'd stop watching action movies. I don't shop at Walmart because of their worker abuse. I don't wear diamonds. Ever. I talk about those sorts of ethical choices with other people as well.

They may be legally capable of making their own decisions. But should we take advantage of the fact that they will probably make those decisions in a way that harms them further?

I have had friends whose SOs (male and female) have been victims of child abuse and child sexual abuse. All of them, down to a person, have been sensitive to that, and careful about issues of consent, and do their damndest to avoid any type of triggering behavior.

With strangers who we pay, should that just fly out the window?

I know a lot about PTSD, so I don't sneak up on people, particularly other ex-military. Not because I'm afraid of them hurting me, but because I am afraid of triggering an episode.

11:48,

"Tell me who a "10" is in your mind and I will find a picture of her in 30 seconds on Google that looks worse than the 2nd MySpace picture."

Melissa Theuriau. 10. You have 30 seconds (or a lifetime if you need it). Good luck.

God bless you, 3:16. I thought I was the only person alive who thought M. Theurieu was the most beautiful thing on the planet.

The Busted Tees version of Client 9 is way better:

http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/client9/male

11:48,

"Tell me who a "10" is in your mind and I will find a picture of her in 30 seconds on Google that looks worse than the 2nd MySpace picture."

Keeley Hazell = 10. Good luck with those 30 seconds.

11:48 --

It sounds like you're projecting. My post was pretty tame (I actually gave the girl some props), and you ripped in to me like I spit on your mother's grave. But I guess I'm the one with insecurities . . .

11:48 sounds like a big-time jagoff.

Oh, and by the way, not in the top third of any school large state school. Or the top 50% at Ole Miss.

3:16,

Here is you average picture of Melissa Theuriau without ten layers of make-up. Enjoy the bursting of your little bubble. Get back to your fantasy world.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vedia/23022473/

Reality

That took a little more than 30 seconds and, at any rate, she's still way hotter in that pic than Spitzer's ho.