What's Going on at Penn Law?
Last year, the WSJ Law Blog posed this question: "Are law students emotional wrecks?" Their post generated hundreds of comments.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that some law students have, in modern parlance, "issues." The stress of law school may have a tendency to trigger meltdowns. See, e.g., here (University of Alabama law student who gave a strange speech in class), here (Indiana University law student who shot up his casebooks), and here (University of Arizona law student accused of kidnapping her ex-boyfriend).
One of last year's more memorable incidents was this one, involving a student at the University of Pennsylvania Law School who riddled his neighbors' apartment door with bullets. Now we return to U. Penn -- where we recently spoke, and where the students struck us as happy and well-adjusted -- thanks to this Daily Pennsylvanian article:
Security has been increased around the Law School over the past several days in response to a student who has exhibited signs of unstable behavior. The student is being placed on involuntary leave....The student had caused administrators concern because of an incident that happened at the Law School. It was then discovered that he had taken himself off of his psychiatric medication about a month ago, according to two Penn Law employees who were briefed on the situation and spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose this information. However, they were not told the specifics of the initial incident.
A tipster there tells us:
The Penn Law students have not received ANY formal communication about this, and the students are generally very upset that 1) we weren't told anything and 2) the first communication came from the undergraduate newspaper.
We'll keep you posted. If you have info to share, please email us. If you comment on this post, please do not mention any individuals by name, consistent with ATL's standard operating procedure.
Based on past precedent, we'd expect Dean Fitts to send out some vague email offering blanket reassurances, but declining to say more due to federal privacy law. That seems to be par for the course for these incidents.
Student prompts security increase [Daily Pennsylvanian]
Related: Law student arrested for firing at neighbors
(195) Comments
With a bullet
Funny how it is only TTT schools that have unstable students. . . too much fiber
PEnn is SWeet!
Well done, Lat. I'm sure your drawing nationwide attention to his condition is exactly what this unstable person needs.
11:31 - what are you, high? Not many TTT's in the ivy league.
As Penn alum, this perhaps should not come as a surprise. While I was there all my classmates were stressed out freaks who only worried about grades and money....guess it takes a toll on you.
When I visited Penn during their admitted students event I thought the same thing as 11:33(2). The students there seemed a little...off. They were nice enough, it just seemed like some of them could snap at any moment.
This "TTT" thing is ridiculous. Penn is one of the country's top law schools (#6 in U.S. News).
Yet another argument for going to UVA or ... shit, is there only one halfway decent but also fun law school in this country?
11:33
The ivy league is an undergrad thing. Having a respectable law school is the exception for the Ivy League (only 3 of the 8). Cornell and Penn are well known TTTs trying live off uneducated ugrads, who didn't go to good colleges, thinking that it's their only chance to graduate from "an ivy", and PBD don't have law schools.
I found Penn Law to be pretty relaxed. The lack of class rank, a generous curve and the virtual guarantee of big law options (if you wanted them) created a fairly laid back student body.
Did some people freak out about grades? Of course, but it was hardly a tension-filled environment.
I got into Penn and chose UVA. It's a decision I'll never regret. Every Penn student/grad I've ever come accross is high strung. Good people, just stressed out all the time.
11:39 (2) - Michigan is also a fun, highly ranked school. UVA seemed like a fun place to go to school. Although we aren't as big into softball here in AA, we still have a good time.
11:39
TOP SIX? uh, let's see HYSCCN nope no Penn
Yeah, showing up to class without pants will do that.
Sounds like a few people here are a little insecure! Having a tough time at Missouri Technical Law Institute 11:40?
11:31/11:40 --
It's sad when law school envy rears its ugly head. Penn is #6 on US News' ranking, and Cornell is #13. Other Ivy's include: Yale (#1), Harvard (T#2), and Columbia (#5).
Don't hate because you couldn't get in.
11:40
clearly went to Penn or Cornell ugrad just so they could say they went to an ivy, then got rejected form all the ivy law schools and ended up at NYU.
I went to Penn and didn't find people strung out at all. Friends at Harvard, Columbia and Cornell reported that students at those schools were a bit more wired, while Yalies seemed even more chilled than those at Penn.
I thought Penn just acquired its law school a few years ago? This incident aside, it's nice to see they're improved so much in such a short time!
standard hyper-reactionism
leave it to a bunch of real douchebags to turn this in to a rankings debate. who f'n cares? everyone in the T-wahtever is going to get biglaw jobs and suck plenty at life.
enjoy!
Here's the link to the U.S. news report too, to add to 11:48's post (which beat me to the punch). I'm not even at Penn. I just can't stand the utter stupidity of some people who post here.
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php
i lived with a 3L and 1L during my 2 years at penn getting another degree. the 3L was super lazy...he had alreayd gotten his job ay Morgan Lewis. the 1L was cornell grad (which is gorges as you may have heard), and he was not too much into studying. he woke up at 10am and went to sleep by 11pm everyday and did not seem to study too much. he was in the bottom half of his class, but is now in his way to Wilkie Farr. i cannot say that penn law students were to stressed. they seemed to be quite calm, confident/arrogant, and not too consumed with school work.
And for the record, the reason that Princeton, Dartmouth and Brown aren't known for their great law schools is that THOSE THREE IVY'S DON'T EVEN HAVE LAW SCHOOLS.
Dumbass.
you can try to bash penn all you want as a "TTT" school but the bottom line is that its a top 10 school and nearly all their students get jobs doing what they want (whether it be biglaw or whatever). so beyond that, what does calling it a "TTT" school even mean? just a stupid label from someone who probably didn't get in.
pennlaw is one of the oldest law schools in the country. it was not recently acquired.
its also a great place to go to law school. the 1L class is known for being a lil uptight, but the 2Ls and 3Ls are bright and know how to have a good time. i wouldnt wanna go to law school anyplace else except maybe harvard of uva.
as for this latest nutjob... hehe. i know who he is and lets just say, even when he was on his meds... its a shame, hes so close to the finish line.
Actually, when you slip Princton Law School onto an otherwise straight ranking survey, it gets put in the top tier by anyone outside the Northeast.
Rankings are BS.
11:50 is thinking of an actual TTT (Penn State), which did recently buy itself a law school.
11:53
"[A]nd PBD don't have law schools." - 11:40
you might try reading a little more carefully next time
Penn State acquired Dickinson Law in 1998. Penn Law has been around for much longer than ten years.
What's with all the ragging on Penn undergrad? Check out where the undergrad is ranked in USNEWS -- #5, ahead of MIT. Plus, Wharton is a real TTT!
I'm sorry your grandmother never heard of Penn. But I'm pretty sure that anyone who makes more than 200k a year has.
I cannot believe how hard people got trolled by 11:31. Bravo sir, well done.
If 11:40 is the same person, that just makes the performance art all the more magnificent. If 11:40 is a different person, that's just hilariously pathetic.
I am so sick of this TTT crap. Get over yourselves and your insecurities. I wouldn't call Penn State law (or Penn for that matter) a TTT, anyway. By definition, a TTT requires that the school be in the third tier. I just checked and Penn State is in the 2nd tier.
The TTT charge is just a metaphorical way of saying that among the top law schools in the country, Penn is one of the least impressive. It attracts insecure "climbers" like Anthony Cioli as students, for example, and is regularly described as overrated by Brian Leiter in his academic reputation rankings. I know many people who teach there and have the greatest respect for them but, for the same reason you wouldn't buy a Saab if you could afford a BMW, Lexus, or Acura, you wouldn't go to Penn if you got into Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Columbia, NYU and maybe even Virginia. It does not provide as much value for the money. On the other hand, you'd go there over Cooley, just as you'd buy a Saab instead of a (used) Yugo.
Go to Vegas, put $150K down, check back in three years. Same experience as law school.
12:02
Way to ruin the fight by inserting logic. There is no place for that on an anonymous message board
I think penn students are just upset that JoPa wont retire. I mean, he was a great coach for a long time, but enough is enough. I know I would be frustrated if I was in there spot.
Directly from US News 2008:
1) Yale University (CT)
2) Harvard University (MA)
2) Standford University (CA)
4) New York University (NY)
5) Columbia University (NY)
6) University of Chicago (IL)
6) University of Pennsylvania (PA)
The problem with Penn is its location. You think Charlottesville or Ann Arbor are isolated from the legal markets? Try spending three years in State College!
Wait...Ann Arbor isn't a booming legal market? Dammit
uhm i dont know about our reputation, but
a) i chose to go here over Columbia and UVA
b) many of my classmates have chosen it over UChicago and NYU and UMich, etc. (i dont know of anyone coming here over Yale or Harvard, granted)
c) we all get kickass jobs in a VARIETY of markets (ny, dc, philadelphia, chicago, cali...)
d) you haters can suck it?
I got into UVA, Michigan, NYU, and Chicago and chose Penn. I think this whole fight is tremendously stupid, and I certainly think that all the schools I just named are as good as Penn, but Penn just seemed a better fit for me. But, hey, I also own a Saab, so what do I know...
TTT is overused, annoying, and not the least bit humorous.
La Schmoove, yo we ain't got nothing to prove!!
Lat - the DP is not an "undergraduate paper." It's a university wide publication that covers the entire university.
12:08 - I hope you're a troll. PENN does not equal PSU.
Oh, and I was PENN undergrad and - along with almost all of my classmates who applied - didn't get in to PENN Law. It seems the University has some concern about diversifying the pool of potential alumni donors. Either that or they just really think a 3.8 in Social Studies from Podunk U. is impressive.
just adding to this brilliant, articulate and well reasoned discussion: i chose penn over uva and nyu. uva is in the middle of nowhere, nyu was full of public interesty whiny brats.
ive loved it here and since im working at sullivan soon, im feeling pretty good about my decision.
12:08---Funny, but Penn State's law school isn't in State College, either.
thank God that tipster enumerated those reasons, i have such a hard time keeping large volumes of information straight
12:12 &12:14 - Sean Sheffey approves of your posts.
12:12,
It depends on what your standards are. the same people who use TTT too much would probably take issue with firms outside of the V10 being considered "big law" when people respond to the accusation of TTT that "everyone there gets big law" (referring to the the V100 or Am200)
12:17 is proud and happy he'll be working at Sullivan soon.
Poor bastard.
12:11 used the word "kickass," so he must know what he's talking about.
Dear 12:17(2):
Oh really?
"[I]n the fall of 2006, we began operating as a unified school from two locations — our original home in Carlisle and our new location on Penn State's University Park campus."
Note: The University Park campus is in State College. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Park%2C_Pennsylvania.
Thanks anyway!
12:17 didn't get WLRK, CSW or DPW.
Dear 12:17(2):
Oh really?
"[I]n the fall of 2006, we began operating as a unified school from two locations — our original home in Carlisle and our new location on Penn State's University Park campus." See http://www.dsl.psu.edu/about/.
Note: The University Park campus is in State College. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Park%2C_Pennsylvania.
Thanks anyway!
I did an LL.M at Penn, and basically kicked back the whole time. Awesome year.
S&C please after the whole Charney thing that place is a sinking ship. The only reason they had to take Penn kids is because their normal crop of HYSCCN kids bailed on them.
I transferred to Penn Law a few years ago from PSU. The caliber of professors and students is the same at both.
12:17: "...since im working at sullivan soon, im feeling pretty good about my decision. "
Youch. You just told me everything I need to know about Penn Law. Thanks, but no thanks.
Agree with the Penn alum who posted above. Great school but some WEIRD, SCREWED UP people there.
OK, i'm a Penn student and this is the first I've heard of it... yikes. I knew these people were crazy
i'm a penn 3L and irregardless of what anyone says here, i think it's a great school with the most laid back students i've ever known. you're all just jealous.
Penn = University of Pennsylvania (located in West Philadelphia)
Penn State = Pennsylvania State University (lacted in State College/Carlisle)
Are there really still people who mess these up?
It's only going to get worse once Joe Pa retires.
1. Commentators should take note of the distinction between (i) the University of Pennsylvania Law School ("Penn Law") and (ii) Penn State - Dickenson Law School.
2. As a somewhat recent graduate of Penn Law I can say with little doubt it is totally laid back. As previous commentators have noted, no class rank, super-reasonable curve, and big law jobs for whoever wants one (unless you are in the bottom 10% of the class).
During my third year, I spent 7 weeks in Paris, two weeks in California, and a week each in Egypt and Cuba. If you are reasonably intelligent, know you want a big law job, and are inclined to actively enjoy your life during downtime, Penn Law is probably a great fit.
On the other hand, if you like to stress and are an unrepentant gunner, Penn Law can be a tough place - not too many people there with whom to share your internal angst.
3. I used to drive a Saab, I now drive a Benz.
i got into UVA, Columbia, NYU and Chicago, but chose penn. don't regret it at all. I barely do any work and can get any job/clerkship I want with that much effort.
if i were at columbia or chicago or stanford, there's no way I could ever get the same clerkships i could get from here doing the only amount of work i do here.
There is only one person at PENN (university-wide) who thinks "irregardless" is a word. His initials are A.B.
12:47-- Irregardless isn't a word. Maybe you should be a tad less laid back.
Penn Law is fantastic, particularly if you want to go into BigLaw. Lots' of powerful alumni in the ranks of the Vault 100.
I don't want to get shot while I'm in class. Is that unreasonable? Why oh why did I go to law school in Philly?
University of Pennsylvania...is that the Dickinson School of Law you're all talking about?
try learning how to use the word "only" before you start applying for clerkships
this is the most worthless comments section in a while. it'd be nice if SOME of the comments actually had to do with the dooder who went nuts
Penn was ranked #12 in 2002. It bought its way into the top 10.
this thread exemplifies how obnoxious the majority of t14 law students are.
congrats guys.
The point of this thread was anecdotal evidence drawn from a small sample size that because Penn has had some media-worthy meltdowns, it is any different from all the other law schools where students are emotional wrecks. Newsflash: it doesn't matter where you are -- law school creates a lot of stress, and most people have a hard time dealing with it.
Rutgers baby.
Remember when the Crispin brothers took Penn to the Sweet 16 a few years ago? Scrappy little guys...
What are "anti-psychotic medications?" Mere anti-depressants or, are we talking, Haldol?
Can we get some demographic details on "senor crazy"?
penn law is awesome. you're all either jealous you got stuck at gtown or in ann arbor, or you're jealous that you're working twice as hard as we are over at columbia or UChicago to get the same exact jobs we are all getting.
Biggest slut in my firm is a Penn Law Grad...and he/she failed the bar
Didn't Tom Ridge and Rick Santorum go to Penn Law?
I chose Penn over Kaplan's Concord, that private unaccredited school owned by a doctor. I have no doubt that I will get the same use out of my degree at the same cost.
Law School is a joke -- everything you need to be a lawyer is taught the first week in Legal Research. The next 2.9 years are alcohol fueled, sex/drug experimentation, funded by the US government (subsidized loans). I went to top 6 (not including Penn) -- which basically means Chicago.
Law school is like a gym. Once you get in, you can bust your ass, work out, and look good. Or you can walk around, do curls, sit in steam room and talk to girls. Some people take steroids, others chat up chicks on stairmaster. Personal Trainers (profs) are there if you want them, and can be quite helpful. Either way you are paying huge membership fee and no matter what get athletes foot and crabs in the showers.
1:19 - worst analogy ever.
1:15 -
Tom Ridge and Rick Santorum went to Penn State Dickinson
I think there are probably some good and unique things about pretty much every law school.
1:11 umm please see firm's law school class distributions.
WLRK - 6 Columbia, 4 NYU, 4 Chicago, 1 Penn
I like my odds with the true 4-6
My dentist went to Penn dental, and he is very nice.
There is a professor at Penn called "Kermit" (he wrote the single best law firm book, since Grisham's "Firm"). It is stark (and dead-on) portrayal of law firm.
Ozzy Osbourne ROCKS!
law students crack me up. seriously, folks, once you start working, you'll realize that most lawyers (from penn or nyu or columbia or any other freaking law school - they are seriously all the same) are just straight up weird. it really has nothing to do with what school you went to! lawyers, and lawyer-to-be, are for the most part, socially awkward and stressed out.
Chose Penn over Columbia and Chicago (where fun goes to die). Kids at Penn are amazing, but, as anywhere, there are a couple nuts....
blah blah blah blah blah, joe pa, bla blha blah, TTT, blah blah blah xoxo. blah blah blah blah blah, joe pa, bla blha blah, TTT, blah blah blah xoxo. blah blah blah blah blah, joe pa, bla blha blah, TTT, blah blah blah xoxo. blah blah blah blah blah, joe pa, bla blha blah, TTT, blah blah blah xoxo.
i hope at least there are some self actualized people on the law-related interwebs who realize that they are all complete losers.
go back to friggin work
I would love to see ANYONE blab about law school prestige at an actual firm... you would be donkey-punched by anyone within ear-shot (including assitants and janitors). Wait to you see the TTT representation among rainmakers...ha!
I would love to see ANYONE blab about law school prestige at an actual firm... you would be donkey-punched by anyone within ear-shot (including assitants and janitors). Wait til you see the TTT representation among rainmakers...ha!
i dont think for a second that wachtell is any arbiter of talent at a law school but the non-wachtell atmosphere here is totally emblematic of why i like it here.
though its worth noting that penns class size is around 240, not the 400+ at NYU, Columbia and Harvard so yeah we are, at first glance, under-represented.
At my firm, top rainmaker (and slut) is a TTT grad
As much as this site's readers want to generalize student bodies at various law schools or characteristics at certain firms, there is only one real truism in the legal world: Lawyers are generally douchebags.
"Penn Law is fantastic, particularly if you want to go into BigLaw. Lots' of powerful alumni in the ranks of the Vault 100.
Posted by: Anonymous | March 4, 2008 12:57 PM "
Yet further evidence that Penn Law students/alumni don't know how to write.
I really don't think Penn students are that upset that we don't have information. Gossip spreads quickly, anyway.
Most are just happy the appropriate (and perhaps even too severe) measures have been taken.
Let's relax. This is about a human being.
The most ridiculous part of this whole thing is that today, the day they tell the newspaper and piss the kid off, they don't have cops in the building. For the last week we have had Penn cops and Philly cops here. Not today though.
I love this place, but not informing us and then failing to have police in the building today is simply pitiful.
One oddity about Penn Law is the maintainance of a relatively small class size in spite of the large numbers of admittees. When I visited Penn on admitted students' day, I, for one, was disgusted by everything I saw--the dreary physical space and environs, the anti/nonintellectual attitudes of the current students who were fond of having keg parties in the courtyard and tried to sell the school on the same lines touted on this comment thread--no GPA, no class rank, everyone gets a job, etc.
One current student on the panel confessed that she had wanted to die 1l year. I'm sure that there were many others like me who got into Penn but were thankful that school wasn't their only option.
@1:10--"What are "anti-psychotic medications?" Mere anti-depressants or, are we talking, Haldol?
Can we get some demographic details on "senor crazy"?
Posted by: Anonymous | March 4, 2008 01:10 PM "
It might have helped if you actually read the excepts quoted in this blog post, which referred not to "anti-psychotic" medication but to psychiatric medication.
Most law students take some kinds of drugs, presription or otherwise, to deal with anxiety and depression. They keep the university counseling and psychological services departments in business. Your question about the demographics of the individual deemed to be a threat to others, coupled with your lack of reading comprehension skills, leads me to believe that you are a Penn Law student. If not, how are the demographics relevant?
Students go INTO law school with their issues. Law schools doesn't necessarily, cause them.
penn = pirates
penn state = ninjas
1:12,
Are you at Linklaters?
1:50 - I'm sure that once you start attending law school you'll know enough to make intelligent remarks. For now, I'm very glad you're not coming here, considering your disdain for those of us who like keg parties.
Actually, 2:01, I was referring to the admitted students' day in 2002. Your lack of imagination and fondness for reliving your frat boy days confirms that I made the right decision not to attend a school surrounded by your ilk.
I think we can all breathe a sigh of relief that 1:50 is choosing to go elsewhere. Disgusted by school sponsored kegs and a lack of class rank?
I also think Penn Law's facilities are nicer than any of the other schools I visited except maybe Cornell and the new NYU building.
But what do I know? I'm a nonintellectual.
Enjoy Columbia!
1:50 - I'm sorry you didn't get into Harvard so you could justify your sexless undergrad years.
Lawyers have, by far, more mental problems than other professions - more alcoholism, anger management issues, higher divorce rates, etc.
There's nothing wrong with Penn. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
Hedgehogs were NOT implicated in this story.
this is so stupid. pennlaw is no better and no worse than the other schools ranked similarly- i cant understand these pissing contests, especially when its clear that many of these posts are by attorneys who should have much better things to do than attack/defend pennlaw.
i like it here, a few people dont like it here, its not the best school in the country, its certainly a good school, most of us are not on psychiatric medication, we all have pretty decent jobs lined up and we are, for the most part, fairly intelligent.
the school itself is very nicely maintained, and when its nice outside we do play frisbee in the quad and eat lunch in small multicultural groups straight outta the brochure.
were not that competitive because we know we will get the jobs we want and we are decidedly not a pretentious group (except for some token douchebags on law review).
we like to drink and go out and most of us do not take it all that seriously. we all worked hard 1L year, but not nearly as hard as our colleagues over at some other schools. we all wish we went to harvard, we all thank god we dont go to columbia and we all really thank god we dont go to temple or drexel.
and we ALL post on this stupid website in class.
penn students/grads are generally pretty nice, in my experience. terrible softball players, though...even for lawyers.
yikes. been away from the school this weekend and the past few days, this is the first i'm hearing about this.
anyone want to give up the initials of the student in question?
i have my suspicion of who it may be, but haven't talked to him in a while.
Penn Law School sounds like it would be a fun place. I like to play frisbee, and I imagine that a lot of other students also enjoy it. I'm looking forward to spring.
i chose george washington over u penn, and u penn offered me substantial financial aid. i just wanted to go to a school where people would recognize the name.
Let's get to the real matter - does anyone know this kid? I feel bad for him :-(
2:30- GW over Penn is an objectively poor decision.
unless by "people" you mean those who dont hire and recruit in the legal market.
GW over Penn? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAH
whenever the senior partner goes to take a dump he leaves the meeting saying...."I have to go give birth to a Penn Grad"
sad but true.
Every here should take this much more seriously. Psychiatric medications and mental illness/depression are no laughing matter.
2:36 - LOL!
WHat possible good can come of this post? Where is the hot new female blogger? Miss Alabama Law... if you trolls drove her to suicide I will be very upset!!!
2:36 - LOL!
Look, whatever problems this psychotic student had being off his medication are going to be miniscule compared the VIRTUAL RAPING he is receiving on this BLOG...
"I, for one, was disgusted by everything I saw--the dreary physical space and environs, the anti/nonintellectual attitudes of the current students who were fond of having keg parties in the courtyard" - 1:50
Wow. Students who party? GASP! THE HORRORS! I'm guessing you ended up at Chicago Law in the library 7 days a week gunning for a 180+ in Con Law, and praying that the professor would call on you so you could share your pearls of wisdom about the free exercise of religion. Congrats.
I'm guessing you're about as fun as a civ pro professor.
Wait, is he blonde?
Is this anti-psychotic student the same one who was caught burning his genitalia with a cigarette lighter (assitant dean smelled the burning flesh in the faculty copier room)?
He is probably more of a harm to himself than others...based on my experiences with him.
2:43: I will give you a "pearl of wisdom" necklace...
UChicago Civ Pro Prof
2:45: That was a different guy...
In response to 2:32, I do know the guy. I don't think it comes as much of a surprise to any of us in the Law School though.
However, I do feel bad for him, especially so close to graduation. Although he was odd, he was always nice and friendly to me.
Worst thread ever!
Let me say that law school sucks. But if one has to go, I highly recommend Penn Law. My classmates were the best. I partied more in law school than in college. AND I went to Penn undergrad, where we did some heavy partying. To top it off, my grades sucked at Penn Law -- totally bottom of class -- but since I went to Penn Law, I got a BigLaw job in NYC! A female's good looks don't hurt either, but they are not required for a Big Law job.
It is unfortunate about this mentally unstable kid, but I appreciate that Penn is doing its best to protect the student population as well as trying to help this student get better so perhaps he can return. Penn is very supportive of students.
2:46 and 2:47 Please explain the genetalia burning!
It's amazing how oblivious Penn students are to their utter douchiness.
Gee, I wonder why Lat was banned from Facebook?